difficult to find best way of keeping Psychodrama in"Current Psychotherapies" List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 90
Anne Schutzenberger perso
anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Sat Aug 5 12:26:43 CDT 2006
Re:difficult to find best way of keeping Psychodrama in "Current
Psychotherapies" List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 90
Dear Manuela and collegues,
Adam wrote to us "Adam Blatner wrote:
"Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks for
"training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current
Psychotherapies,
"edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series is now preparing
its 8th edition.
"Chapters on psychodrama were first included in the 2nd edition,
1973, by Leon Fine.
I wrote chapters for "the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and
for the last 7th ed (2005).
"This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who reviews
"the relevance of each approach so that the editors can add new ones
"that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are dropping out of
favor.
"Here's a report done by their surveyors:[see his email below] - Adam "
------------
Dear Manuela
you wrote about defending psychodrama in "Current Psychotherapies,"
"I [ Manuela] insist that I do hope that we can propose something
together
"(and evenmore with the wonderful support from the President of IAGP
"(Frances Bond-White).
"and also to really make sure that we are the first ones
"that must credit our own model as a
"current psychotherapy" model, on its own.
"Warmly,
"Manuela Maciel
"(Chair of IAGP Psyhcodrama Section)
you hope that one collecive letter to the editors, by
psychodramatists could convince them,
to stop their decision to take psychodrama out of "Current
Psychotherapies" 2006
ok, do it, dear Manuela
But I think it would also be very effective to let many other people
write also,
in order to have more effect, by having more different letters sent
to them,
probably from different angles (our collegues are creative).
This might convince the owners and Publishers to keep nevertheless
Psychodrama
amongst "Current Psychoptherapies"
I am not sure of the effectivenes of only one collective letter to them,
after a consensus amongst psychodramatists as,
- As Adam writes himself,
he did his best for many years, but the tide is different now
(see his email below)
Thus I think it would be more effective that the last desperate action
should be many of us, adding their individual weights and writing
SEPERATELY to the new 2006 Editors of "Current Psychotherapies"
somethiong they think
like the importance, unique importance of psychodrama, and body and
action methods
for many drastic situations and terrible traumas -
keep action methods and psychodrama in it, - even evntually - with
a short presentation done from a new angle, maybe by a new and young
psychodramatist, nevertheless knowledgeable - even in a short
presentation, but keep it in -
(it might be presented by each of us differently ) for the current
editors of " Current Psychotherapies",
for different reasons (once we know who the current editors of this
series are now= 2006-2007)
Maybe suggest various approaches to explain why it is unique
(by example some could use some recent lmportant brain research
showing that when the brain is damaged by too drastic events,
especially in chldhood, the connections are broken and only some
specific methods like therapeutic role-play (or psychodrama) or
music therapy can bring back some of the connections, that no other
approaches do )
and of course some may if they whish add to their email what they
want i.e. some recent summary of research done by Michael Wieser or
others - on validity of psychodrama -
but I do not think it could convince them, what psychodramatits write
as they have decided that nobody is interested in psychodrama
anymore, in usa, so the decided to take it out of the book (if I
understood Adam correctly )
Ì am 87 and have been a psychodramatist all my life. So it is heart
breaking,
even if you consider that usa publications are not the end of the world,
"Current Psychotherapies" is a widely used text book -
I do not know if the last edition by Raymond Corsini and Danny Wedding,
Wadsworth publishing, ISBN 0875814301, is the last edition
of "Current Psychotherapies " or not (some friends of mine
just did research on Amazon and Google last night, before leaving here,
on their long around-the-world trip after IAGP Brazil congress of
last week.
Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Argentière-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
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Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
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--Original Message--
From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 01:07 PM
Subject: Re: defending psychodrama(Taken out of next "Current
Psychotherapies")
I've been thinking about the problem.
One part of it is that the teachers who use
this text and the textbook itself is in a certain
sense obsolete because many if not most practitioners
are integrative, eclectic, and no longer think in
terms of schools of thought.
=========
----Original Message--
From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:55 PM
Subject: defending psychodrama
Dear Jorg and others,
The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
and I question whether writing a letter to anyone
will help.
What's needed is a far more vigorous program of
writing papers for journals, doing research,
affiliating with academic programs, presenting at
conferences, again writing it up-
-just presenting doesn't do it-- to begin to impress colleagues in
the USA that psychodrama is practical and effective.
So far, many of them in psychology and other fields are
not impressed.
I have done what I can, (...) Adam
==========
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:15:38 +0100
From: Manuela Maciel <manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: psychodrama status /Corsini Book
To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>, list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr, sabar at iprimus.com.au,
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Dear Adam, Anne, Jorge, Frances, Connie, Sue and all
Thank you Adam for everything that you have been doing for the
Psychodrama world and for your kind words in your last email about my
own contribution.
This discussion about the status of psychodrama in the academic
counselor -traimning fields is certainly very important to our field.
In my email I didn`t mean to have just a general good intention but to
really try to find consensus among the Psychodrama Comunity ,
so that we really can do something together.
I believe that my role as the Chair of the Psychodrama Section
of IAGP may also contribute to this..
Reading, even more carefully your first email to grouptalk (see below)
about this topic of "one of the major textbooks for training
psychotherapists and counselors", now in its 7th edition, I do have some
clarifying questions:
1- Could you clarify if you were also writing the Psychodrama chapter
for the 6th Edition? [[ probably yes, see adam email]]
2- The results of the survey are not clear to me.
It looks more concerned with the chapter organization then its contents.
Could you by any chance send us the complete surveyors report?
3- It is already decided that the chapter will be excluded from the next
edition?
4- Could you possibly send me a copy of your chapter (since the book in
Amazon costs 91 US $ and it takes some time to get to portugal) ?
No doubt that I do believe in Psychodrama, in its importance to the
Current Psychotherapies and evenmore in its Scientic evidence.
Of course that we all need to work to acomplish more credit f
or Psychodrama,
namely doing reasearch, publishing more in scientific literature and
presenting more at counseling and Psychotherapy Congresses (not only in
Psychodrama Congresses). The book we are about to publish by Routledge
"Advancing Theory in Psychodrama" will also add much value to this
aproach.
Also Michael Wieser has just presented in the IAGP Congree in
Brazil the current research evidence about the effectiveness of
psychodrama. amd it seams that we are collecting more and more.
Last but not least::In the Psychodrama Section Meeting
at the IAGP Congress, last week, *we came to the conclusion
that the most important aspect to promote Psychodrama
and take it to the world is to really work with our own relation
(Psychodramatists) with the Psychodrama Model.*
I insist that I do hope that we can propose something together
(and evenmore with the wonderful support from the President of IAGP
(Frances Bond-White).
and also to really make sure that we are the first ones
that must credit our own model as a
"current psychotherapy" model, on its own.
Warmly,
Manuela Maciel
(Chair of IAGP Psyhcodrama Section)
----
Adam Blatner wrote:
Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks for
training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current
Psychotherapies,
edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series is now preparing
its 8th edition.
Chapters on psychodrama were first included in the 2nd edition, 1973,
by Leon Fine. I wrote chapters for
the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who reviews
the relevance of each approach so that the editors can add new ones
that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are dropping out of
favor.
Here's a report done by their surveyors:
>>
>> This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on chapter
>> organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website features. The
>> survey respondents were drawn from a pool of all those who have been
>> sampled the seventh edition of the book, excluding the authors of
>> this
>> and competing texts. There were 95 participants, 60% of which were
>> users of the book, while 40% used competing books. They came from
>> Psychology, Counseling, Nursing, Education, Human Development, and
>> Social Work departments, and represented 41 states.
>>
>>
>> _Results_
>>
>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which was
>> assigned by a little under a quarter of professors. The online
>> chapter, Asian Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned, with
>> under 15%.
>>
>> When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13:
>> Psychodrama and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy, respondents
>> had similar reactions. For Psychodrama, about half didn?t use it, and
>> about a quarter had a positive reaction. For Experiential, a little
>> under half didn?t use it and a little under a quarter had positive
>> reactions.
>>
>> A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of which
>> could be combined into broader chapters. The most-named topics were
>> feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/self psychology
>> (about 15%), and reality (bring back) (about 15%). A third said that
>> the new information that should be added is postmodern/
>> solution-focused/narrative therapies. About 15% said that more
>> research was needed to back up the theories.
>>
>> For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the most
>> votes with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
>>
>> Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said it
>> was too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and 20% said
>> it needed more current therapies.
>>
>> When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it needed
>> more examples or more references for where to find more examples.
>>
>> Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
>> demonstrating theory in action.
>>
>> _ _
>>
>>
>> Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn?t used by many of the respondents.
>> That may be due to the fact that it?s new, because the positive
>> responses were very enthusiastic. However, two professors made
>> the
>> suggestion to put this in a chapter that also includes all of the
>> creative therapies, such as art and music therapy, so that may be
>> a way to increase interest.
>>
>> * A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard
>> evidence to be presented to support and/or dispute each theory.
>>
>> So that's the status of our field in the academic counselor-training
>> fields. Sigh.
>>
>> Adam Blatner, M.D.
>> (please reply to adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
>> website: www.blatner.com/adam/ <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:03:24 +0200
> From: Anne Schutzenberger perso <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Re: Adam, you started this:could we have their names &email,
> Please:defending psychodrama
> To: Manuela Maciel <manuelamaciel at sapo.pt>
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> deaqr Manuela,
> we do NOT need a consensus,
> we need their name and eMail address,
> and write separately to them
> it seems that you found a "Current Psychotherapies"
> on internet, thus you can give me/us
> the name and eMail of the publisher ,
> please
> thaks,
> and old timer having seen many things
> and having various ways to react,
> but after we get the name, and eMail first of things
>
> anne, 87 years old and in psychodrama and grouppsychotherapy since
> 1951
> University Professor and co-founder of IAGP
> Tout de bon ? Best of best
> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>
>
> Le 30 juil. 06 ? 13:13, Manuela Maciel a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Anne, Adam, Jorge and all
>>
>> I do believe that it is important to gbe proactive in this
>> situation and do something fast about it. It doesn`t make sense
>> that we let "psychodrama" fall out of the current Psychotherapies
>> handbook in the USA. What can we do then? Can we find a consensus?
>> I want to cooperate!
>> Warmly
>> Manuela Maciel
>>
>>
>> Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
>>
>>> Re:Adam,you started this:could we have their names
>>> &email,Please:defending psychodrama
>>>
>>> You were right to get us alarmed, as it is a bad sign to take off
>>> psychodrama from the annual USA book "Current Psychotherapies",
>>> after Corsini, others and Blatner , as some revisers suggested
>>> You did your very best and what you could, as you write below, but
>>> may be others could find an other way of speaking about
>>> psychodrama and its unique usefullness, for research reasons, -
>>> research done in high sphere of universities, and research
>>> centers, and not by psychodramatists
>>>
>>> May be some of us could write an excellent collective letter to
>>> them, with other arguments than yours : `
>>> you started this, so, please, let us follow it and up to them ,
>>> who ever are the new successors of Current Therapies in USA in 2007
>>>
>>> - You say that you did your best (thanks fir doing it )
>>>
>>> - May be it is the turn of completely different approach of
>>> scientific resear done here and there in the world
>>> that is needed to convince these "clinical councelling
>>> councellors" (who are the'y ? please ??
>>> do help to follow up your old good job
>>>
>>> warmly, anne, 87 and in group work and psychodrama since 1951
>>> co)-ounder if IAGP(and International Council member before),
>>> IActual IAGP honorary archivist
>>> University Professor(France), group-analyst, psychodramatist TEP
>>>
>>> Tout de bon ? Best of best
>>>
>>> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)(France)
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>>>
>>> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
>>> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>>
>>> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
>>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>>>
>>> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>>>
>>> ========
>>>
>>> Le 28 juil. 06 ? 05:55, Adam Blatner a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Dear Jorg and others,
>>> The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
>>>
>>> and I question whether writing a letter to anyone will
>>> help. What's needed is a far more vigorous program of
>>> writing papers for journals, doing research,
>>> affiliating with academic programs, presenting at conferences,
>>> again writing it up--
>>> just presenting doesn't do it-- - to begin to impress colleagues
>>> in the USA that psychodrama is practical and effective.
>>> So far, many of them in psychology and other fields are
>>> not impressed. I have done what I can, writing papers
>>> in many journals--e.g., the international journal of
>>> psychotherapy has a paper by me addressing the state
>>> of the art in the field, coming out in the November
>>> issue this coming Fall.
>>>> By the way, I sent out a request for news and
>>>> publications, and indeed have been sending out such
>>>> requests for over 10 years, with very few people
>>>> answering each time. It has been like "pulling teeth."
>>>> It seems as if too many people are "busy" and feel
>>>> little obligation to network on the internet or
>>>> respond to email. As a result of what I take to be a
>>>> casual attitude about the need to respond to emails,
>>>> contribute, go out of one's way to think about how to
>>>> promote the field, in certain countries its reputation
>>>> among non-psychodramatists continues to slip. It is
>>>> too bad, but I assure you that letters of protest to
>>>> the survey committee or editors will just be seen as
>>>> pathetic rather than compelling.
>>>> I'll be interested in what you all think about
>>>> these ideas. Warmly, Adam Blatner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch
>>>> <mailto:bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am ready to contribute with determination to all
>>>>> those attempts which are going to keep safe the quality, the
>>>>> scientific
>>>>> base and the unique originality of the psychodramatic
>>>>> psychotherapy to
>>>>> the editors of the textbook. For that purpose I suggest to
>>>>> write a
>>>>> letter signed by several of us (including colleagues from other
>>>>> approaches) and attaching the latest survey on scientific
>>>>> research on
>>>>> Psychodrama reviewed by Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that
>>>>> procedure?
>>>>>
>>>>> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I
>>>>> am not english mother tongue speaker? This would be marvellous.
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Jorge Burmeister
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it
>>>>>
>>>>> remained in USA
>>>>>> textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Adam and collegues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is worrying that they are considering in USA to
>>>>>
>>>>> delate Psychodrama
>>>>>> from "CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see
>>>>>
>>>>> below) in the succesors
>>>>>> of " Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> Corsini & Danny Wedding.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -then -2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Blatner for the
>>>>>> 4th (1989 , 5th editions (1995), and for the last
>>>>>
>>>>> 7th ed (2005).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie
>>>>>
>>>>> AND WHAT IS THEIR
>>>>>> EMAIL -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT
>>>>>
>>>>> UP WiTH THEM
>>>>>> AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY OLDTIMERS
>>>>>
>>>>> AND HEADS OF
>>>>>> SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT
>>>>>
>>>>> THE DELATION
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> many of our collegues are for the moment in
>>>>>
>>>>> Brazil, in Sao Paulo,
>>>>>> for the IAGP congress, and its psychodrama
>>>>>
>>>>> section, so may be they
>>>>>> could help and do something,
>>>>>> now,; together, and take this up as a question during the
>>>>>
>>>>> psychodrama various meetings
>>>>>> in Brazil t this congress
>>>>>> -A psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as
>>>>>
>>>>> President elect of
>>>>>> IAGP, International Association for Group
>>>>>
>>>>> Psychotherapy(from July 2006 on )
>>>>>> an old timer, Anne (97 years old and in
>>>>>
>>>>> psychodrama and groupanalysis
>>>>>> since the fifties and co-fouonder of IAGP also,
>>>>>
>>>>> and its honorary
>>>>>> archivist(2005-2006 and actually)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for the present, a little unwell and resting in
>>>>>
>>>>> her high mountain home
>>>>>> of French Alps(France)
>>>>>> Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tout de bon ? Best of best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French
>>>>>
>>>>> Alps)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professeur des Universites(France)
>>>>>> Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst,
>>>>>> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
>>>>>> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
>>>>>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>>>>>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the
>>>>>>
>>>>> major textbooks for
>>>>>>> training psychotherapists and counselors has been
>>>>>>
>>>>> Current
>>>>>>> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wedding. This series
>>>>>>> is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on
>>>>>>
>>>>> psychodrama were first
>>>>>>> included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote chapters for
>>>>>>> the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for
>>>>>>
>>>>> the last 7th ed (2005).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This series has been taken over by a
>>>>>>
>>>>> textbook publisher who
>>>>>>> reviews the relevance of each approach so that
>>>>>>
>>>>> the editors can add
>>>>>>> new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out
>>>>>>
>>>>> ones that are dropping
>>>>>>> out of favor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a report done by their
>>>>>>
>>>>> surveyors:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a pre-revision survey that included
>>>>>>
>>>>> questions on chapter
>>>>>>> organization, general issues, ancillaries, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> website features.
>>>>>>> The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of
>>>>>>
>>>>> all those who have
>>>>>>> been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
>>>>>>
>>>>> excluding the authors
>>>>>>> of this and competing texts. There were 95
>>>>>>
>>>>> participants, 60% of
>>>>>>> which were users of the book, while 40% used
>>>>>>
>>>>> competing books. They
>>>>>>> came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Education, Human
>>>>>>> Development, and Social Work departments, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> represented 41 states.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Results
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Psychodrama, which was
>>>>>>> assigned by a little under a quarter of
>>>>>>
>>>>> professors.
>>>>
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> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:50:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: defending psychodrama
> To: connie at souldrama.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
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> --- Connie Miller <connie at souldrama.com> wrote:
> Dear Connie, nice quote. It resonates with my keynote
> talk at the 1999 ASGPP conference, Re-Story-ing the
> Soul (available on my website).
> Your vision of multi-dimensional healing and
> growth is one I agree with.
> But I'm not sure what you mean by an organization
> being ego invested...
>
> What do you think about the strategy of allowing
> psychodramatic elements to be taught separately as
> well as in the package, to inform and expand other
> trends toward integrative approaches. There are a
> number of Morenian ideas not found or only hardly
> found in other schools of thought, and each deserves
> to be noted and integrated on its own merits. That's
> what I'm pondering and would be happy to get input.
> Warmly, Adam
>
>
>> Dear Adam,
>> My chapter for the book New Advances in Psychodrama
>> begins :
>> Intuition
>> The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational
>> mind is a faithful servant. We have created a
>> society that honours the servant and has forgotten
>> the gift. Einstein
>> Many organizations become ego invested.Your
>> experience seems to point this out.
>>
>> So..Who Shall Survive? There are many new therapies
>> for healing now. I believe that all future therapies
>> will perhaps integrate mind, body and spirit in the
>> healing. These seem to be the parts of the whole we
>> all need to balance so that these parts can be
>> aligned.. What is important is that mind, body and
>> spirit be balanced in the therapist now as well. We
>> heal because of who we are, and not what we do.
>> Blessings, Connie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 01:07 PM
>> To: connie at souldrama.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
>> Subject: Re: defending psychodrama
>>
>> Dear Connie, thank you. I've been thinking about the
>> problem. One part of it is that the teachers who use
>> this text and the textbook itself is in a certain
>> sense obsolete because many if not most
>> practitioners
>> are integrative, eclectic, and no longer think in
>> terms of schools of thought. In a recent conference
>> brochure (about a conference to be held in San
>> Francisco in November, I think, put out by the
>> Psychotherapy Networker journal), I was struck by
>> the
>> fact that almost none of the presenters were
>> presenting any of the "classical" systems.
>> In medicine, also, there are no systems of
>> healing, but rather it is a dynamic field in which
>> new
>> technologies and theories, ideas and techniques are
>> introduced, some discarded as relatively ineffective
>> or less effective or more side effects or too
>> expensive compared to other approaches that are
>> introduced. So all is in dynamic flux, a creative
>> advance.
>> Then I contemplated psychodrama and it occurred to
>> me that its component parts could well be utilized
>> separatly, or in various combinations with each
>> other
>> and with other approaches and techniques.
>> I awoke and began to write a paper that I'll
>> polish a bit and should any of you be interested,
>> I'll
>> finish and post on my website.
>> In working with used cars, it's called parting it
>> out.
>> Well, thanks again for your pioneering spirit.
>> (Did you know I took psychodrama to the American
>> Psychiatric Association and had my workshop invited
>> back every year for ten years? But then there was an
>> advancing influence of CBT and evidence-based
>> therapies and it was dropped.)
>>
>> warmly, adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Connie Miller <connie at souldrama.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To Adam,
>>> I congratulate you for trying as hard as you do to
>>> keep psychdrama alive in the USA. You have always
>>> been one I could go to to get information and
>>> support. As Mother Theresa said, I will march for
>>> what I am for and not against. I find in America,
>> so
>>> many counselors do not know about psychodrama
>>> because it is not demonstrated openly.!
>>> Another suggestion to get psychodrama more noticed
>> I
>>> have made before. That is volunteering to bring
>>> workshops different state and local organizations
>>> such as American Counseling Association. When I
>>> presented two years ago, there was only one other
>>> psychodramatist there for 5000 attendees. I will
>> be
>>> presenting Souldrama again at the preconference
>>> there next year for the national convention. Each
>>> state has an organization of ACA. Last year I did
>> a
>>> presentation on doubling for New Jersey. There
>> were
>>> over 40 counselors who loved the technique and
>> never
>>> heard of it. They wanted more time during the
>>> presentation. This is an excellent way to draw
>>> trainees and to promote psychodrama.. Blessings,
>>> Connie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:55 PM
>>> To: 'bulmonte21', 'Anne Schutzenberger perso'
>>> Cc: 'Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL\(2006\)', 'Christer
>>> Sandahl',
>>> 'Rene.Marineau\(2005\) Rene', 'Fahlstrom
>>> Eva*\(Upp\)Fahlstrom', 'Thomas Treadwell',
>>> 'GARCIA \(USA\)Eduardo.ASGPP', 'Bonds-White
>>> Frances', 'MACIEL Manuela MACIEL\(2006\)',
>>> 'TAUVON Kate', 'KIBEL\(IAGP&perso\) Howard',
>> 'Daniel
>>> Sue', 'eva fahlstrom'
>>> Subject: defending psychodrama
>>>
>>> Dear Jorg and others,
>>> The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
>>> and I question whether writing a letter to anyone
>>> will
>>> help. What's needed is a far more vigorous program
>>> of
>>> writing papers for journals, doing research,
>>> affiliating with academic programs, presenting at
>>> conferences, again writing it up--just presenting
>>> doesn't do it-- to begin to impress colleagues in
>>> the
>>> USA that psychodrama is practical and effective.
>> So
>>> far, many of them in psychology and other fields
>> are
>>> not impressed. I have done what I can, writing
>>> papers
>>> in many journals--e.g., the international journal
>> of
>>> psychotherapy has a paper by me addressing the
>> state
>>> of the art in the field, coming out in the
>> November
>>> issue this coming Fall.
>>> By the way, I sent out a request for news and
>>> publications, and indeed have been sending out
>> such
>>> requests for over 10 years, with very few people
>>> answering each time. It has been like "pulling
>>> teeth."
>>> It seems as if too many people are "busy" and feel
>>> little obligation to network on the internet or
>>> respond to email. As a result of what I take to be
>> a
>>> casual attitude about the need to respond to
>> emails,
>>> contribute, go out of one's way to think about how
>>> to
>>> promote the field, in certain countries its
>>> reputation
>>> among non-psychodramatists continues to slip. It
>> is
>>> too bad, but I assure you that letters of protest
>> to
>>> the survey committee or editors will just be seen
>> as
>>> pathetic rather than compelling.
>>>
>>> I'll be interested in what you all think about
>>> these ideas. Warmly, Adam Blatner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I am ready to contribute with determination to
>> all
>>>> those attempts which
>>>> are going to keep safe the quality, the
>> scientific
>>>> base and the unique
>>>> originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy
>> to
>>>> the editors of the
>>>> textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a
>>>> letter signed by
>>>> several of us (including colleagues from other
>>>> approaches) and attaching
>>>> the latest survey on scientific research on
>>>> Psychodrama reviewed by
>>>> Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that
>> procedure?
>>>>
>>>> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as
>> I
>>>> am not english mother
>>>> tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:54:57 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch" <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>
> Subject: AW: Re: Adam,you started this:could we have their names
> &email,Please:defending psychodrama
> To: <ablatner at verizon.net>, Manuela Maciel <manuelamaciel at sapo.pt>,
> Anne Schutzenberger perso <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> Cc: "Tom TREADWELL\(h.USA.& grouptalk2006\)"
> <ttreadwe at tomtreadwell.com>, RUSTOMJEE SABAR <sabar at iprimus.com.au>,
> "Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL\(2006\)" <list at grouptalkweb.org>, Pines
> Malcolm <malcpines at btinternet.com>, Christer Sandahl
> <christer.sandahl at sandahls.se>, "Rene.Marineau\(2005\) Rene"
> <Rene_Marineau at uqtr.ca>, "Secretariat.Paris.PC Anne"
> <anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>, WIESER Michael
> <Michael.Wieser at uni-klu.ac.at>, "Jap Hidefumi.KOTANI"
> <genzo at ka3.so-net.ne.jp>, "Fahlstrom Eva*\(Upp\)Fahlstrom"
> <connectedknowledge at yahoo.com>, Thomas Treadwell
> <ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>, "GARCIA \(USA\)Eduardo.ASGPP"
> <asgpp at ASGPP.org>, Bonds-White Frances <FrancesBW at aol.com>, Hopper
> Earl <earlhopper at btinternet.com>, BAIM clark <cbaim at hotmail.com>,
> TAUVON Kate <tauvon at telia.com>, "KIBEL\(IAGP&perso\) Howard"
> <hkibel at pol.net>, Daniel Sue <suedan at netspace.net.au>, eva fahlstrom
> <fahlstrom_uppsala at yahoo.com>
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>
> Dear Anne, Manuela, Sue, Adam and all,
>
> first of all I hope that this message will be forwarded to the
> group list as well as I am still no member of the list - which I like
> to become the soonest of course.
>
> I feel that it is necessary how to react to the possible exclusion
> of PD from the latest edition of Corsini Handbook. As I have
> suggested beforehand I suggest to write a letter of concern with
> several colleagues co-signing. I have attached at the end of this
> communicatiopn a draft for a letter. Please feel free to suggest
> pieces to add or improve its english as I am no english native
> speaker.
>
> All other topics are important as well but in my eyes only hardly
> to approach by a fruitful discussion via cyber space. Nevertheless I
> try to give some ideas of mine on the topics raised.
>
> Adam has pointed out "weak points" of PD psychotherapy in this
> moment: in comparison with other approaches a low number of
> publications and a low number of scientific research projects. I have
> witnessed the same discussion now for more than 15 years at least in
> central europe. As an example to illustrate the topic several years
> ago (1996) I could contribute to start the biggest outdoor research
> project on group psychotherapy carried through in the last 10 years
> in Europe including Group analysis and PD with more than 400 patients
> and more than 20 therapists involved over 5 years. Although the
> design was prepared by Prof. V. Tschuschke, one of the leading
> researchers on groups in the scientific world of today (together with
> B. Piper etc.) its results were seriously challenged by other very
> influencial researchers. Why? Because even counting with a university
> specialized in research matters and with the financial funding (e.g.
> in this case about 30.000 US/Dollars) it is very difficult to fulfill
> the scientific research criterias for a semi/natural study
> (comparable patterns of clients of therapy and control groups; double
> blind matching of the two groups). The results on the other hand are
> positive for both approaches: GA and PD did significant improvement
> in more than 70% of all clients; there were no significant difference
> in the over all figures but in the subgroups (due to the insurance
> system GA will meet a slightly different profile of clients: clients
> are in general more severe as the treatment will be paid by the
> insurance companies or more educated as GA attracts more people from
> that sphere and less female clients as PD attracts more female
> persons). So this is one result we could use. But of course given all
> the efforts and the good will invested we should try to come up with
> a consensus on reserach design. In this sense all of you interested
> in carrying through reserach projects please contact Michael Wieser.
> He can give very helpful recomendations. Because after all one very
> important issue is the communication between reserachers and
> practitioners which often fails.
>
> Publications are made in specialized journals and in journals of PT
> in general but like Adam pointed out the communication because of
> language barriers if often enough the biggest problem in making use
> of it. One idea could be that all the national associations can try
> to summarize the current publications in PD in english in their
> country and make them avaiable on their web page. This could be a
> good point for all of us to stimulate but after all also for you
> Manuela as the liaison person for FEPTO and other organizations (I
> commit myself to do so with the spanish speaking PD organizations in
> Europe and South America where I am also member). I know that Adam
> has tried for years to establish such kind of exchange (thank you
> very much) but why not trying again putting it on various shoulders?
>
> One last comment: Psychotherapy is a profession and a tool of
> public health systems which differs a lot between countries regarding
> recognition, training and legal conditions. It is not always easy to
> discuss the topic without taking into account these differences. In
> those countries where insurance companies pay for PT for the whole
> population a very serious discussion has started to exclude PT from
> these public services at all: not only PD but all kind of PT. I think
> it is vital to understand that we have to overcome at the same moment
> traditional ways of thinking in only one territory, religion or
> method. Nevertheless I would never give up the idea to maintain PD in
> these moments like a method of PT in its own rights and with its own
> values and credentials. This does not exclude cooperation or
> combination between several methods of PT (which is the practise for
> years now) but help to to safe guard the identy of the
> psychotherapists which is one of the main aims even in the schools of
> "general psychotherapy" where you learn a mixture of techniques and
> approaches.
>
> Dear Manuela, Sue, Anne and Adam: I hope this is helpful to
> stimulate our discussion. But I like to repeat. I suggest to come
> together personally to bring forward the subject as cyberspace often
> contributes to misunderstandings and conflicts which can be resolved
> much better in a trustful personal encounter. But I enjoy very much
> listening to your voices and sharing this important subject with all
> of you. Thank you so much!
>
> Now I like to add the draft of the letter we could send to the
> editors of the handbook. Although I don't oversestimate the
> importance of letters it is better to say something than remaining
> silent (which at least in my culture was always regarded as a sign of
> affirmance with the proposals made). Please feel free to critisize.
> If you are ready to co-sign this letter please tell me (it will be a
> letter of all of us not of mine specially). I myself will also
> contact some persons of our field if they are willing to co-sign the
> corrected version of the letter later on.
>
> All the best, warm regards
>
> Jorge
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> we, the above signed, were informed that you are considering to
> withdraw psychodrama from the Corsini textbook for current methods of
> psychotherapy. Being practitioners and researchers in the field of
> psychotherapy for many years and representing different countries and
> orientations we like to express our deep concern about your
> intention.
>
> Psychodrama was one of the first original psychotherapeutic methods
> not only in the field of group psychotherapy but of psychotherapy at
> large. It is used and applied worldwide in more than 50 countries (e.
> g.the brazilian psychodrama association alone has more than 5000
> members). It is officially recognized by several governments as a
> basic approach of psychotherapy (e.g. Austria, Italy, Hungary etc.).
> It forms an integrative part in a broad diversity of different
> training and educational programs in psychotherapy worldwide
> (analysis, CBT, systemic approach) while it covers a special area in
> comparison with other approaches: it centers the therapeutic
> procedure on emotional relevant processes in the interpersonal
> sphere. A list with more than 100 therapeutic institutions with
> psychodrama treatment units can be facilitated on request.
> Psychodramatic psychotherapy is also contributing to combined
> treatment programs in well established ways (e.g. trauma therapy).
> Although Psychodrama nowadays might lack especially on behalf of a
> systematic scientific research on a larger scale we can provide a
> review of more than 50 empiric studies on Psychodrama psychotherapy
> carried through in the last 15 years. Finally Psychodrama is taught
> at different universities in Europe, Australia and South America and
> is represented in a huge number of international psychotherapeutic
> associations.
>
> Summarizing we like to invite you to reconsider your decision.
> Please take into account the history, the specific contribution and
> the present state of theory and practise of psychodramatic
> psychotherapy not only in the United States but on an international
> scale as well. If you are interested we would be pleased to provide
> you with more information on the behalf.
>
> Thank you very much for your attention, sincerely yours
>
>
>
>
> ----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----
> Von: ablatner at verizon.net
> Datum: 30.07.2006 18:49
> An: "Manuela Maciel"<manuelamaciel at sapo.pt>, "Anne Schutzenberger
> perso"<anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> Kopie: "Adam Blatner"<ablatner at verizon.net>, "bulmonte21"
> <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>, "Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL(2006)"
> <list at grouptalkweb.org>, "BLATNER Adam BLATNER(2006)"<adam at blatner.
> com>, "Thomas Treadwell"<ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>, "Daniel Sue"
> <suedan at netspace.net.au>, "eva fahlstrom"<fahlstrom_uppsala at yahoo.
> com>, "Fahlstrom Eva*(Upp)Fahlstrom"<connectedknowledge at yahoo.com>,
> "TAUVON Kate"<tauvon at telia.com>, "KIBEL(IAGP&perso) Howard"
> <hkibel at pol.net>, "Rene.Marineau(2005) Rene"<Rene_Marineau at uqtr.ca>,
> "GARCIA (USA)Eduardo.ASGPP"<asgpp at ASGPP.org>, "Christer Sandahl"
> <christer.sandahl at sandahls.se>, "Bonds-White Frances"<FrancesBW at aol.
> com>, "Tom TREADWELL(h.USA.& grouptalk2006)"<ttreadwe at tomtreadwell.
> com>, "Secretariat.Paris.PC Anne"<anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.
> fr>, "Jap Hidefumi.KOTANI"<genzo at ka3.so-net.ne.jp>, "RUSTOMJEE SABAR"
> <sabar at iprimus.com.au>, "WIESER Michael"<Michael.Wieser at uni-klu.ac.
> at>, "BAIM clark"<cbaim at hotmail.com>, "Hopper Earl"
> <earlhopper at btinternet.com>, "Pines Malcolm"<malcpines at btinternet.
> com>
> Betreff: Re: Adam,you started this:could we have their names &email,
> Please:defending psychodrama
>
> dear Manuela,
> I appreciate your good intentions, but let's think
> carefully and rationally about this whole matter.
> First, have you read my previous replies?
> Second... let's address each of your points. see
> below:
>
> --- Manuela Maciel <manuelamaciel at sapo.pt> wrote:
>
>> Dear Anne, Adam, Jorge and all
> I do believe that it is important to be proactive
> in this situation and do something fast about it.
> ab: your belief is a sentiment but not a rational
> statement. what is proactive rather than reactive
> here?
> Also "do something" is far from specific, to say
> the least.
>
> MM: It doesn`t make sense that we let
> "psychodrama" fall out of the current Psychotherapies
> handbook in the USA.
> ab: it is regrettable, perhaps, but of course it
> makes sense. Psychodrama as a package doesn't sell. To
> say it makes no sense is like the maker of computer
> brand A complaining that it makes no sense that
> computer brand B is outselling them.
> There are scores of new therapies and more
> approaches coming out every year in the USA. Packaged
> systems are losing ground. I'll say more about this
> later on.
>
> MM What can we do then? I have an unusual
> recommendation that might help in the long run: Break
> psychodrama down into its component parts and
> integrate them with other approaches; deny the
> authority of all systems in this postmodern culture;
> promote the usefulness of the parts independently.
> MM Can we find a consensus? ab: so far I've
> heard little of substance, just a lot of
> complaining...
>
> MM I want to cooperate! ab: please read my
> previous comments about the need for publications,
> research, etc. My impression is that the output in
> Europe and Latin America significantly exceeds that in
> the USA, which may explain why it is growing there. I
> don't know about the proliferation of competing
> approaches.
>
> Also, your efforts on behalf of psychodrama should
> be recognized, both as editor of the book on advancing
> theories of psychodrama and as chair of the iagp-pd
> section.
>
> Warmly
>> Manuela Maciel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:47:56 +0000
> From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
> Subject: Re: defending psychodrama
> To: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>, connie at souldrama.com,
> list at grouptalkweb.org
> Message-ID: <W500451655518861154350076 at webmail24>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> AdamI think teaching parts of psychodrama is a wonderful idea.
> Just teaching doubling in a conference for use by counselors left
> them wanting more training in that technique. I think that when
> they learn to use just one technique, they will want to learn more.
> EGO..E dging G od O ut..
> .I think in any organization, just as with individuals. the
> intelligences need to be balanced. The rational mind (IQ)which is
> about thinking, the emotional mind (EQ)which is about feeling and
> the spiritual mind (SQ)which is about being. Souldrama is one way,
> using an action technique, to access that Spiritual Intelligence so
> that the ego and soul can be aligned.
> This is why I am so delighted that the book, New Advances in
> Psychodrama includes spirtuality and souldrama. It is a balance of
> all three intelligences. I can't thank Michael Weiser enough for
> recommending this as well as Manuel Maciel and Clark Baim for their
> foresight and recognizing that Manuela and Clark each had to give
> up their own chapters to edit this book for all of us internationally.
> Blessings, Connie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 09:50 PM
> To: connie at souldrama.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
> Subject: Re: defending psychodrama
>
> --- Connie Miller <connie at souldrama.com> wrote:
> Dear Connie, nice quote. It resonates with my keynote
> talk at the 1999 ASGPP conference, Re-Story-ing the
> Soul (available on my website).
> Your vision of multi-dimensional healing and
> growth is one I agree with.
> But I'm not sure what you mean by an organization
> being ego invested...
>
> What do you think about the strategy of allowing
> psychodramatic elements to be taught separately as
> well as in the package, to inform and expand other
> trends toward integrative approaches. There are a
> number of Morenian ideas not found or only hardly
> found in other schools of thought, and each deserves
> to be noted and integrated on its own merits. That's
> what I'm pondering and would be happy to get input.
> Warmly, Adam
>
>
>> Dear Adam,
>> My chapter for the book New Advances in Psychodrama
>> begins :
>> Intuition
>> The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational
>> mind is a faithful servant. We have created a
>> society that honours the servant and has forgotten
>> the gift. Einstein
>> Many organizations become ego invested.Your
>> experience seems to point this out.
>>
>> So..Who Shall Survive? There are many new therapies
>> for healing now. I believe that all future therapies
>> will perhaps integrate mind, body and spirit in the
>> healing. These seem to be the parts of the whole we
>> all need to balance so that these parts can be
>> aligned.. What is important is that mind, body and
>> spirit be balanced in the therapist now as well. We
>> heal because of who we are, and not what we do.
>> Blessings, Connie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 01:07 PM
>> To: connie at souldrama.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
>> Subject: Re: defending psychodrama
>>
>> Dear Connie, thank you. I've been thinking about the
>> problem. One part of it is that the teachers who use
>> this text and the textbook itself is in a certain
>> sense obsolete because many if not most
>> practitioners
>> are integrative, eclectic, and no longer think in
>> terms of schools of thought. In a recent conference
>> brochure (about a conference to be held in San
>> Francisco in November, I think, put out by the
>> Psychotherapy Networker journal), I was struck by
>> the
>> fact that almost none of the presenters were
>> presenting any of the "classical" systems.
>> In medicine, also, there are no systems of
>> healing, but rather it is a dynamic field in which
>> new
>> technologies and theories, ideas and techniques are
>> introduced, some discarded as relatively ineffective
>> or less effective or more side effects or too
>> expensive compared to other approaches that are
>> introduced. So all is in dynamic flux, a creative
>> advance.
>> Then I contemplated psychodrama and it occurred to
>> me that its component parts could well be utilized
>> separatly, or in various combinations with each
>> other
>> and with other approaches and techniques.
>> I awoke and began to write a paper that I'll
>> polish a bit and should any of you be interested,
>> I'll
>> finish and post on my website.
>> In working with used cars, it's called parting it
>> out.
>> Well, thanks again for your pioneering spirit.
>> (Did you know I took psychodrama to the American
>> Psychiatric Association and had my workshop invited
>> back every year for ten years? But then there was an
>> advancing influence of CBT and evidence-based
>> therapies and it was dropped.)
>>
>> warmly, adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Connie Miller <connie at souldrama.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To Adam,
>>> I congratulate you for trying as hard as you do to
>>> keep psychdrama alive in the USA. You have always
>>> been one I could go to to get information and
>>> support. As Mother Theresa said, I will march for
>>> what I am for and not against. I find in America,
>> so
>>> many counselors do not know about psychodrama
>>> because it is not demonstrated openly.!
>>> Another suggestion to get psychodrama more noticed
>> I
>>> have made before. That is volunteering to bring
>>> workshops different state and local organizations
>>> such as American Counseling Association. When I
>>> presented two years ago, there was only one other
>>> psychodramatist there for 5000 attendees. I will
>> be
>>> presenting Souldrama again at the preconference
>>> there next year for the national convention. Each
>>> state has an organization of ACA. Last year I did
>> a
>>> presentation on doubling for New Jersey. There
>> were
>>> over 40 counselors who loved the technique and
>> never
>>> heard of it. They wanted more time during the
>>> presentation. This is an excellent way to draw
>>> trainees and to promote psychodrama.. Blessings,
>>> Connie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adam Blatner [mailto:ablatner at verizon.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:55 PM
>>> To: 'bulmonte21', 'Anne Schutzenberger perso'
>>> Cc: 'Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL\(2006\)', 'Christer
>>> Sandahl',
>>> 'Rene.Marineau\(2005\) Rene', 'Fahlstrom
>>> Eva*\(Upp\)Fahlstrom', 'Thomas Treadwell',
>>> 'GARCIA \(USA\)Eduardo.ASGPP', 'Bonds-White
>>> Frances', 'MACIEL Manuela MACIEL\(2006\)',
>>> 'TAUVON Kate', 'KIBEL\(IAGP&perso\) Howard',
>> 'Daniel
>>> Sue', 'eva fahlstrom'
>>> Subject: defending psychodrama
>>>
>>> Dear Jorg and others,
>>> The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
>>> and I question whether writing a letter to anyone
>>> will
>>> help. What's needed is a far more vigorous program
>>> of
>>> writing papers for journals, doing research,
>>> affiliating with academic programs, presenting at
>>> conferences, again writing it up--just presenting
>>> doesn't do it-- to begin to impress colleagues in
>>> the
>>> USA that psychodrama is practical and effective.
>> So
>>> far, many of them in psychology and other fields
>> are
>>> not impressed. I have done what I can, writing
>>> papers
>>> in many journals--e.g., the international journal
>> of
>>> psychotherapy has a paper by me addressing the
>> state
>>> of the art in the field, coming out in the
>> November
>>> issue this coming Fall.
>>> By the way, I sent out a request for news and
>>> publications, and indeed have been sending out
>> such
>>> requests for over 10 years, with very few people
>>> answering each time. It has been like "pulling
>>> teeth."
>>> It seems as if too many people are "busy" and feel
>>> little obligation to network on the internet or
>>> respond to email. As a result of what I take to be
>> a
>>> casual attitude about the need to respond to
>> emails,
>>> contribute, go out of one's way to think about how
>>> to
>>> promote the field, in certain countries its
>>> reputation
>>> among non-psychodramatists continues to slip. It
>> is
>>> too bad, but I assure you that letters of protest
>> to
>>> the survey committee or editors will just be seen
>> as
>>> pathetic rather than compelling.
>>>
>>> I'll be interested in what you all think about
>>> these ideas. Warmly, Adam Blatner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I am ready to contribute with determination to
>> all
>>>> those attempts which
>>>> are going to keep safe the quality, the
>> scientific
>>>> base and the unique
>>>> originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy
>> to
>>>> the editors of the
>>>> textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a
>>>> letter signed by
>>>> several of us (including colleagues from other
>>>> approaches) and attaching
>>>> the latest survey on scientific research on
>>>> Psychodrama reviewed by
>>>> Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that
>> procedure?
>>>>
>>>> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as
>> I
>>>> am not english mother
>>>> tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank
>>
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