List Digest, Vol 2, Issue 30

[Karen Carnabucci]

Elaine,

Thanks for making these points!

Please note that I'd be happy to have the trainees that are not suitable
for the Chicago group, perhaps for reasons of dual relationships or for
other reasons.

Our new program series starts this September. I'll send you the info in
a separate e-mail. 


Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
Companions In Healing
 
Lake House Health &  Learning Center
932 Lake Ave.
Racine, WI 53403
 
(262) 633-2645
karen at companionsinhealing.com
 
www.lakehousecenter.com
http://LakeHouseRacine.blogspot.com
www.companionsinhealing.com
 

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[mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] On Behalf Of elaine sachnoff
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Subject: Re: List Digest, Vol 2, Issue 30

To allow a patient to become a trainee?
the question is murky because the roles are not clearly defined. It has
not been defined as clearly as above.  Probably because Moreno turned
many of his private patients into the first psychodramatists.
 As I lamely explain to my trainees-"Yes, he breaks the rules, but he
invented the rules.  we are not Moreno" And let's not gloss over the
problems he had with his psychiatric confreres.
  If the person wanting to join the Training group has been a therapy
group member of which you, the Trainer, are the therapist, then the
answer, to me, is clearly no.
 They can become part of another Trainer's Training group where they do
not have a history or  built up reserves of roles and fantasies for both
trainer and trainee to deal with.
 Our profession has been historically lax and vague about dealing with
transferences-Bud's example is a perfect one.
 It encapsulates the 60s ,admirable in some ways, thinking of breaking
down the hierarchy between patient and therapist while ignoring[possibly
denying]
the transferential elements.    For good or ill, we
have been strugggling with it all these years in our various ways with
our various theoretic frameworks to guide or impede us. why do you think
the emphasis has been on looking to the AMA APA APsychoanalytic Assn
codes?
 My thought is, when in doubt, don't do it.
 We have had 2 or 3 people come to several months of the open session
sometimes participating as protagonist sometimes,not.  Then they join
the Training but if they are in therapy, it is with someone outside the
group. The training is not their therapy.
 Our Training group is not a therapy group per se, it can and has
functioned as such, at times, but its primary focus is Training.  If
somene needs therapywe refer them to a therap-ist.
 The Trainer is the Trainer not the therapist..
 If there is no other Training group in the area that is sad, but not
really your problem-you are not Trainer to the world.
   One of the benefits-albeit arguably at the moment, is the listing of
workshops that other Trainers are doing.  Most of them can be travelled
to for weekends if the person is motivated. You can make that available
to them as you decline their participation in your current Training
group.
 How long after shalll they wait? that is another long involved
question. we have murky histories of dubious sexual relationships,
unequal relationships, equivocal financial relationships all between
trainer and student our profession is rife with opportunities for
misuse.
I feel like one of Macbeth's witches. BEWARE
  again, if there is any doubt in your mind-do not do it.
Elaine Ades Sachnoff PhD,TEP
The Psychodrama Training Institute of Chicago

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