Australian fires /"gestation period"- List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Sat Dec 9 12:43:43 CST 2006
Re: Australian fires /"gestation period"- List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
* Dear Sue and Australian friends, hope you are safe- worried about
you - anne (France)
* and about gestatioin period, for results o in reality
I have noticed that "soon" after,
often the day after a strong psychodrama with surplus reality,
there are changes in reality - as if the other person was in our
psychodrama session and did a role reversal - often quite amazing (I
have written/printed in French, some of these cases)-
Thus I would say quasi immediately, one day to one month later.
But to have some put to-gether of your experiences would be
interresting -
-*- and pease, what is motor therapy ?
and how different is ot from psychodramaz, as we move and use the
body already quitre a lot
cordially - anne (87 ans still on the go)
Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Paris et ailleurs)
Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
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Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Anne.Schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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> 5. Re: Gestation Period (Adam Blatner)
> 6. I am away .....but will attend to your message when I get
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> 7. Re: Gestation Period (georgia rigg)
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> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:27:05 -0500
> From: "Ann Hale" <annehale at swva.net>
> Subject: Australian fires
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> Has anyone heard if Neil Hucker's ok and his property safe from
> fires north of Melbourne?
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> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:03:56 +1100
> From: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Australian fires
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> dear Anne thank you for your thought and care. I don't own the
> property at strath creek anymore but anyway that area is not in
> danger at the moment.
> This summer is going to be the worst ever.
> When you came over and visited in the early 80's we had just come
> out of a long drought and Ash wednesday had devastated Victoria. I
> remember the builders had to abandon my house as the Mount
> Disappointment fire raged north. Luckily our fire fighters prevailed.
> I was remembering that time this morning as smoke that had been
> blown hundeds of kilometers west from the current fires, enveloped
> the balcony I was sitting out on. The northerlies are expected to
> blow tomoroow.
> Melbourne was enveloped in smoke today.
> I hope you are well and thanks again for the concern.
> The girls are well
> neil
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:21:58 -0000
> From: "Manuela Maciel" <manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt>
> Subject: FW: Gestation Period
> To: <List at grouptalkweb.org>
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> De: Manuela Maciel [mailto:manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt]
> Enviada: s?bado, 9 de Dezembro de 2006 15:13
> Assunto: FW: Gestation Period
>
> Dear Psychodrama Colleagues
>
> Does anyone know about ?gestation period? studies /research for the
> full
> impact/effectiveness of a psychodrama session?
>
> Please let me know.
>
> My impression is that it changes the length of time that it takes
> to really
> have an impact on a person`s life.
>
> But my amazing experience with the last Souldrama workshop in May
> (with
> more than 30 people) is that people (many of them my patients in
> group
> therapy) started to report real change after September (around 90
> days
> after). Does this make any sense to anyone?
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
> Maybe Michael Wieser (Research Coordinator in FEPTO and IAGP
> Psychodrama
> Section) may inform us if there was any specific research on this
> topic?
>
> Manuela Maciel
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> De: Mark [mailto:mark at colourforlife.com]
> Enviada: quarta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2006 11:45
> Para: Manuela Maciel
> Assunto: Gestation Period
>
> Hi Manuela,
>
> I'm checking out information on how long it takes for changes to be
> noticed
> in people's lives, ie families, relationships etc.. after they have
> done
> Dynamic Theare.
>
> In Family Constealltions they have this suggestion that it's around
> 90 days
> for changes to be fully noticed, example is a lady I know did
> constellation
> work on her son who she put up for adoption when he was 4 months
> old - 90
> days after she did the work he 'found' her for the first time.
> Wondering
> what the time frame is on psychodrama? Is there anything written
> that I
> could read?
>
> Did a fantastic DT session yesterday with a lady which involved a
> shadow
> life, spirits and divided masculine/feminine - am in the process of
> writing
> it up as a case study, have asked people who did the course to
> start keeping
> notes on sessions so we collect information..
>
> Speak soon
>
> Mark xx
> The journey through the rainbow is
> worth its weight in gold
> WWW.COLOURFORLIFE.COM
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:43:04 +0000
> From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
> Subject: Re: Gestation Period
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> Wow! What a great question! This just came through as I recievied
> the International Trademark for Souldrama.
>
> Many people have asked why I only have six veils and I say because
> the 7th is invisible and many people will be working to integrate
> what they learned until they decide to go to the next training.
> This is from our International Institute's training
> papers..........and it is just a thought from the "unscientific side"
> Each time we finish a training we all are working through invisible
> veils to integrate the stage we just completed. After you leave the
> training, you will get many messages from your souls council on
> earth and in heaven pushing and probing you forward until we meet
> again to journey through the veils. Pay attention to these messages
> from others and your angel. This is the time where we fully
> integrate our work from the veils. We are all moving forward and
> backward in invisible veils. There are many veils and levels to go
> through and in truth we cannot see or name them all.......the time
> it takes to integrate your work will depend on how open you are to
> hear the messages.
>
> Some people take longer than others and the first two veils are the
> most difficult beacuse they are the most ego invested so I wonder
> if the time of gestation depends on the amount of ego being reduced?.
> Conn
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---Message: 5 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:46:40 -0600
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: Gestation Period
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Dear Manuela,
> I've not encountered any research in any type of
> psychotherapy, much less psychodrama, that addresses this rather
> intriguing question you bring up.
> The problem with gestation is to piece out what impacts
> any elements of the therapeutic process may have had from the
> ongoing process of development in life.
> Sometimes, though, as you suggest, people do report a
> dramatic or at least noticeable change-- but this is anecdotal. It
> would be interesting to hear what folks say about that, in their
> experience. I suspect many directors have some stories about how
> clients have reported significant shifts after a moving session.
>
> Trying to do research on therapy itself is most tricky,
> because the problem is that people often react to other
> circumstances, change due to a mixture of variables, in or outside
> of therapy.
> Example: Recent research on back surgery shows that
> there is little difference after 6 months in outcome between those
> who have had surgery (which does show statistical improvement in
> symptoms in the first 2 months) and those who just do physical
> therapy, exercise, etc. So it is well known that people tend to
> heal. This is often true in psychotherapy, also, that many symptom
> complexes resolve or lighten in time even without therapy.
> There are also the many variables of group therapy
> noted by Yalom, so it might not be the procedure itself which was
> the change agent, but the mixture of the group, hopefulness,
> expectation, rise in morale, group sharing, etc.
>
> I'll be interested in what comes from others.
>
> In addition, on a slightly different level, I'm so happy to
> see a bridge-building between the communities in Europe and the
> communities in the USA in psychodrama because of your work with
> Connie Miller. Thank you for that, too!
>
> Warmly, Ada
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Message: 7 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:12:53 -0800 (PST)
From: georgia rigg <georgiaarigg at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Gestation
Period
To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>, list at grouptalkweb.org
Dear Adam and Manuela--In regards to the "gestation
period" question. Pesso reported last year that not
only changes in social and emotional behavior took
place almost immediately following a psychomotor
therapy session, but measurable changes in the brain,
per PET scans, took place after only two psychomotor
sessions.
I had an amazing experience last December in work with him,
that resulted in me moving to Washington state and
starting a new training program there,
also after one psychomotor structure.
This is why I continue to be fascinated with the combination
of psychodrama and psychomotor therapy, and the
potential of the combined approaches in helping people
heal from trauma, as well as make new and simple
everyday life decisions and changes. Happy holidays
to all! Georgia Rigg
--- Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com> wrote:
Dear Manuela,
I've not encountered any research in any type
of psychotherapy, much less psychodrama, that
addresses this rather intriguing question you bring up.
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