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Adam Blatner
adam at blatner.com
Wed Dec 27 10:22:24 CST 2006
I really like Anath's algorithm, the series of logical sequence and alternative choices
for certain problems. I pretty much agree, but I've also found that lingering guilt may be
displaced. I'm guilty about my mother's death may be an image-focus for a number of guilts
that the client/protagonist still needs to own but doesn't yet--guilts about continuing
self-defeating behaviors such as addiction patterns that continue! A little guilt (in
optimal amounts) should be recognized as conscience, healthy self-regulation about the
nature of human development, hypocrisy, self-deception, and that behaviors don't always
match ideals.
Another approach, perhaps later on, when a treatment alliance has been built, is to
clarify the present life and check out for these discrepancies. (Elaine noted that the
protagonist had some addiction problems! Do they continue??) (Remember Fritz Perls' saying
that most people don't want to stop being neurotic, they just want to get better at it.)
Atonement for guilt ideally involves relinquishing past attitudes (hate, greed,
etc.) as well as continuing subtle and often disguised behaviors in the service of living
in a more wholesome and aligned fashion. Then more throrough forgiveness becomes a more
lasting process. In the case below, if our protagonist is still behaving in ways that are
self-defeating or exploitative of others, the relief will be short-term and possibly
misleading.
Warmly, Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: citation
> Dear Elaine,
>
> Sorry it took me so long to send this off to you.
>
> While I am unaware of protocols re resolution of quilt,nor do I adhere to
> any protocols in my application of psychodrama ,yet I became aware that I
> do have a tendency to deal with similar situations in the following
> sequence:
>
> 1. PROLOGUE: A brief interview re presenting problem : P is feeling
> guilty about Mothers death ,b/c of the argument they had the day before M
> died of of brain aneuyrism. P was 12 at the time.
>
> 2. scene 1: The argument between mother and daughter
>
> 3. Scene 2: Surplus Reality
>
> Director: Lets undo the scene: You can change the scene any way you
> want/What would you like to have happenned instead? You can do anything
> you want..
> Dir sets the scene with utmost atention to every detail so as to make the
> experience as vivid as possible , anchoring the experience in every
> possible sensory modality ( NLP) . P plays first herself as 12 year
> old,then as her mother ,then she steps out and watches the scene as herself
> (current age). encouraged to step in if need be.
>
> Dir:Are we ready to exit?
> If yes: end of scene
> If not: Need to find out what else is needed to bring the scene to
> completion.
>
> At this point the Q will come up: since we undid the scene does the Mother
> have to die?
>
> From here the PD could brench off into many healing and diagnostically
> important directions,but because of time constraints and the contract we
> established to address quilt:
> Dir - let's ask your Mother.
>
> Scene3: The Interview
> Director interviews Mother (played by P), gets the medical history and
> both establish that there is no possible causative connection between the
> argument and the death of brain aneuyrism
> Dir : Lets make it clear to your daughter. Ok?
>
> Scene4: The Encounter
> Mother (played by P) explains to the 12 year old self. that her death had
> nothing to do with the argument, she would've died regardless,plus her not
> taking good care of herself contributed to her untimely death,for which she
> is sorry and hopes to be forgiven. Role reversal ,so P has a chance to
> hear it as a 12 year old. Dir may want P to step out of scene and watch
> the encounter,encouraged to step in if need be.
> SHARING
> SHARING CAN TAKE PLACE HERE ,BUT IF TIME PERMITS THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE
> HIGHLY DESIRABLE:
>
> Dir:Are you sure the 12 year old understood that her mother's death had
> nothing whatsoever to do to do with the fight they had? If hesitation is
> detected:
>
> Scene 5: Encounter bet P and 12 year old self:
>
> P repeats the explanation,absolving 12 year old self of all quilt . RR -to
> make sure she can hear it again as a 12 year old again.( Please note: it is
> self ridding self of faulty beliefs cognitive psychodrama*)
>
> If no hesitation detected: Dir: Is there anything you'd like to ask or
> anything you'd would like to tell your 12 year old self? Yes:
> Scene 5: Encounter bet P and 12 year old self
> NO: .
> SHARING
> ------------------------------
>
> *Cognitive Psychodrama: A Presentation at ASGP Meeting,San Fran 2006,
> anath garber
>
> elaine sachnoff [mailto:esachnoff at sbcglobal.net]
>>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 01:04 PM
>>To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>>Subject: citation
>>
>>I am looking for an article that spells out the
>>sequence of scenes in a psychodrama for dealing with
>>guilt.
>>situation
>>the Protagonist had an argument with her mother and
>>yelled at her. the mother yelled back and the next
>>day while the P was at school the mother sufferered an
>>brain aneuyrism and died.
>>the P was 12 when this happened and is now 27 and
>>still feels guilt.
>>The drama was as follows:
>>the P chose an auxilliary to be mother.
>>role reversal-speaking as the M [with some interview
>>questions from director]
>>the P said she was in heaven looking down on her child
>>and not happy that daughter felt guilt.
>>continuing as M talked about a long standing medical
>>condition with headaches, many md visits some with
>>child accompanying her. M continued to drink and drug
>>and eat prohibited foods. Very insistant on daughter
>>not feeling guilty.
>>forgiving herself.
>>RR P hears auxilliary as mother repeat most of this.
>>
>>P chooses auxil to be self at 12 yrs old. who comes
>>up and joins them
>>P watches and listens as M tells 12 year old same
>>things.
>>P is encouraged herself to tell 12 year old she does
>>not need to feel guilty any more.
>>RR P with 12 year old self who repeats messages
>>P hears as 12 year old from adult self and Mother
>>RR return to adult self and release child from guilt.
>>forgives self
>>final hug all 3 and
>>sharing.
>>This is the way I have always done this-especially
>>with incest victims/survivors, believing that the P
>>must experience the forgiveness as a child and not
>>just as an adult that s/he needs to forgive
>>herself/himself.
>>I know that TSM does a more involved and lengthly
>>process for this, but since I work alone and rarely
>>have more than 1 hour to work within-this is the
>>framework I use. I have become extremely directive at
>>times-telling A what to say by doubling statements .
>>There is probably something written on this and my
>>students have asked for an article they can read on
>>this.
>>I would appreciate any citations you all can come up
>>with
>>thanks
>>
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