who could ask ASGPP for a link with new grouptalk List?[List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 17
Anne Schutzenberger perso
anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Tue Jul 11 02:46:46 CDT 2006
Re:who could ask ASGPP for a link with new grouptalk List?[List
Digest, Vol 1, Issue 17
a,d who is in charge of ASGPP actually ? (still Garcia Eduardo, a
nice chap)
Dear Tom and grpoutamkers
Please,someone, Tom, whqat is Tom's IBAN ? to send check from Europe
someone suggested asking ASGPP to put a link to our new List :
excellent idean, whoi can ask ASGPP now, hoping that many shall ask
would you know how to reach him and let me know ? I might try also
good to hear from so many old fmriends(and some new ones) oiptimism
has b een my motto for years, even if in this it may be optimistical
to bless what we have now with Tom ad just hope for a link ...
warmly
anne, 87 ;unwell and veryu much on the go(France,
and at presentm, in my high mountain cabin of French Alps)
Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Argentière-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
----------------------------------------------------
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:13:09 EDT
> From: ROROBEAR at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Anne
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
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> Anne
> I think your words ring truth. In fact I spoke with several TEPs'
> who don't
> want to come to the 06 conference because they are frustrated with
> the
> organization.
> I have been in the organization for 30 years and it is sad to see
> how the
> politics and lack of interest has dwindled. It is my hope, I am always
> optimistic, that it doesn't fade. Those like yourself have worked
> hard to keep it
> alive.
> I think Carole is not dreaming but has an optimistic view
> Hope you are well
> Rosalie Minkin<ROROBEAR at aol.com>
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> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Anne
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Message-ID: <001101c6a45e$f6facaf0$6401a8c0 at rebecca>
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> I just want to point out that the San Francisco conference was
> a huge success...and I heard from many, many people what a grand
> time they had. I do not think the lack of interest in psychodrama
> has anything to do with the ASGPP but is the result of many socio-
> economic-philosophical changes in the last few decades. In fact,
> the membership committee of the organization did a survey of people
> who had let their memberships lapse, and very few suggested it was
> due to problems with the organization itself. The two big issues I
> heard about as part of that committee was personal financial and
> time resources/professional identity and the quality of the
> journal, I was a member of the council during the two previous
> presidents, and heard some of the same, and many different complaints.
> The bottom line is that the council are a bunch of volunteers
> who work exceedingly hard to keep the organization going. If the
> council feels that they no longer want to have grouptalk be part of
> the website, let's just move on and make it grouptalk be we want
> it to be. We can certainly ask the council to add it to the link page.
> Rebecca Walters
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ROROBEAR at aol.com
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Anne
>
>
> Anne
> I think your words ring truth. In fact I spoke with several TEPs'
> who don't want to come to the 06 conference because they are
> frustrated with the organization.
> I have been in the organization for 30 years and it is sad to see
> how the politics and lack of interest has dwindled. It is my hope,
> I am always optimistic, that it doesn't fade. Those like yourself
> have worked hard to keep it alive.
> I think Carole is not dreaming but has an optimistic view
> Hope you are well
> Rosalie Minkin
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:08:10 +0100
> From: "bernard widlake" <bernardwidlake at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Grouptalk Status - Alive and Running on a new server
> To: "carole oliver" <caroleolivernj at optonline.net>,
> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> I am not sure I can offer very much at this point, but I would like
> to say
> how I value grouoptalk anand tht I read the various emails with great
> interest. They also help keep me connected with psychodramatists
> and others
> throughout the world. Whatever solution is found, I think it would
> be tragic
> if the group could no longer function. I can't say much about the
> technical
> side, but what I have said may find resonence in many others, and
> it may be
> good to express this. I am happy to send a contribution, which I
> will try to
> do through my niece who is shortly returning to the States where
> she is
> living. Thanks for the effort that is being made.
> I have left in the other messags to show the link.
>
> Bernard Widlake,
> Psychodramatis.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "carole oliver" <caroleolivernj at optonline.net>
> To: <List at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Grouptalk Status - Alive and Running on a new server
>
>
>> Tom, I will send a check.
>> question?
>> with all our expertise as clinicians, can we help to iron out the
>> differences with asgpp and group talk?
>> I know you are extremely hurt and frustrated and I don't blame you.
>> I think we as psychodraamtists can work hard on the sociometry and
>> come to
>> a
>> resolution for you and for us.
>>
>> what do others think of this idea?
>> Thank You
>> Carole Oliver
>> 973-744-0693
>> www.caroleoliver.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <grouptal at earth.s3servers.com>
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Cc: <ttreadwe at tomtreadwell.com>; <ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:44 AM
>> Subject: Grouptalk Status - Alive and Running on a new server
>>
>>
>>> To list members:
>>>
>>> Group talk went down one week ago as a result of the ASGPP
>>> changing web
>>> masters. ASGPP does not support Group talk financially & does
>>> not plan
>>> to
>>> do so in the near future. T
>>>
>>> As a result, I decided to keep Group talk running and have purchased
>>> server space to keep it alive. I think the need for Group talk is
>>> essential and the major reason to keep communication alive among the
>>> group
>>> creative art therapists.
>>>
>>> We have about 260 subscribers and I would like you to help me
>>> support
>>> group talk financially. I will develop a web page for group talk
>>> and
>>> house Jim Sack.s Bibliography at the site. I can also add many more
>>> options to the group talk web page as you might like to see.
>>>
>>> To financially support group talk . if we received one dollar
>>> from all
>>> subscribers that would keep us running for two years. So I am
>>> asking for
>>> a small donation simply to keep the communication channel open.
>>> I will
>>> take care of the web page and monitoring group talk . something I
>>> have
>>> been doing for over 10 years.
>>>
>>> Send checks to me
>>> Tom Treadwell
>>> 5216 Arrowhead Lane
>>> Drexel Hill, PA 19026
>>>
>>> All financial support is very very much appreciated.
>>>
>>> To send email to grouptalk the address is as follows
>>>
>>> list at grouptalkweb.org
>>>
>>> Tom...thanks in advance..
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:35:34 -0400
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Anne
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1D47B7A86B8924FDB9EDFC9680 at phx.gbl>
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> Dear Grouptalkers--I sadly missed the San Francisco conference and
> heard from many, many folks how wonderful it was. I attended my
> first ASGPP conference in 1987. In all these years I have never
> heard such raves about a conference until this last one. I could
> not attend but I sure as heck wish I could have. And I also know
> how much time and energy it takes to be on the organizing
> committees of an organization. I like the idea of validating what
> has been done and those people who have done it, taking note not
> making criticisms about the things yet to be done, and seeing how
> we can use our spontaneity and creativity to get those things
> done. Tom has quickly, efficiently and effectively, it seems,
> resolved the issue around Grouptalk. Blessings on you Tom. Let's
> see if we can put our collective heads together and come up with
> ideas to resolve problems in other areas that people have
> identified. Patti
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HV Psychodrama<mailto:hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Anne
>
>
> I just want to point out that the San Francisco conference
> was a huge success...and I heard from many, many people what a
> grand time they had. I do not think the lack of interest in
> psychodrama has anything to do with the ASGPP but is the result of
> many socio-economic-philosophical changes in the last few decades.
> In fact, the membership committee of the organization did a survey
> of people who had let their memberships lapse, and very few
> suggested it was due to problems with the organization itself. The
> two big issues I heard about as part of that committee was personal
> financial and time resources/professional identity and the quality
> of the journal, I was a member of the council during the two
> previous presidents, and heard some of the same, and many different
> complaints.
> The bottom line is that the council are a bunch of volunteers
> who work exceedingly hard to keep the organization going. If the
> council feels that they no longer want to have grouptalk be part of
> the website, let's just move on and make it grouptalk be we want
> it to be. We can certainly ask the council to add it to the link page.
> Rebecca Walters
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ROROBEAR at aol.com<mailto:ROROBEAR at aol.com>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Anne
>
>
> Anne
> I think your words ring truth. In fact I spoke with several
> TEPs' who don't want to come to the 06 conference because they are
> frustrated with the organization.
> I have been in the organization for 30 years and it is sad to
> see how the politics and lack of interest has dwindled. It is my
> hope, I am always optimistic, that it doesn't fade. Those like
> yourself have worked hard to keep it alive.
> I think Carole is not dreaming but has an optimistic view
> Hope you are well
> Rosalie Minkin
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:51:42 -0700
> From: carole oliver <caroleolivernj at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Carole Oliver is dreaming of a different world and
> differentpsychodrama than reality[ List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 15
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
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> if i give up having visions, then i just give up
>
> it is our responsibilty as psychodramatists to work thru and
> resolve issues in our organization
>
> however, i value all your feedback....
> Thank You
> Carole Oliver
> 973-744-0693
> www.caroleoliver.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anne Schutzenberger perso
> To: Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL(2006)
> Cc: Anne Schutzenberger perso
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Carole Oliver is dreaming of a different world and
> differentpsychodrama than reality[ List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 15
>
>
> Carole , dear sweet Carole Oliver
>
> how naive and sweet of you not to have noticed that time is
> changing and that wonderful people, devoted to their ideas and work
> are rare- and that past ASGPP Preisident was exceptionnal and the
> new one different, and that Tom is exceptionnal and that nobody
> says thank-you to him (Tom) as much as he deserves
>
>
> `--;I do not think that you could change ASGPP for a different
> one in 2006 = cards are done and the hand is poor
> and very different from past years and many, many old timers feel
> bad and sad and hurt about what is happeniong
> (I am 87, an old timer, since the fifties in group-psychotherapy,
> psychodrama TEP, international associations etc, and I could cry to
> see what is happening )-
> but it is not a question of talking, but of persons and their
> interrests or lack of interrests -
> -so, noting doing, but cry over spiled milk(or how do you say in
> America
> (I write from Europe, but I was trained in usa in the fifties )
> and thanked and honoured by ASGPP many times, and by IAGP(I am
> one of the co-founders)
> `but times are different and they are throwing out ouor life
> w<irk without evebn realizing the harm theu do to the field(but
> they see things differently, foillowing a shorter and different
> training
> and different perspectives, or lack of perspectives for the long run
> anne
> anne ancelin schutzenberger, PhD;TEP
> Professeur des Universites(University Professor of clinical and
> social psychology)
> co-founder of IAGP and its actual honorarty archivist
>
>
>
>
> Tout de bon ? Best of best
>
> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>
> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
>
> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 10 juil. 06 ? 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a ?crit :
>
>
> Carole Oliver
>
> === from Carole Olivier =
>
> question?
> with all our expertise as clinicians, can we help to iron out the
> differences with asgpp and group talk?
> I know you are extremely hurt and frustrated and I don't blame you.
>
>
> I think we as psychodraamtists can work hard on the sociometry
> and come to a
> resolution for you and for us.
>
>
> what do others think of this idea?
> Thank You
> Carole Oliver
> 973-744-0693
> www.caroleoliver.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <grouptal at earth.s3servers.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Cc: <ttreadwe at tomtreadwell.com>; <ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:44 AM
> Subject: Grouptalk Status - Alive and Running on a new server
>
>
> To list members:
>
>
> Group talk went down one week ago as a result of the ASGPP
> changing webmasters. ASGPP does not support Group talk financially
> & does not plan to do so in the near future. T
>
>
> As a result, I decided to keep Group talk running and have purchased
> server space to keep it alive. I think the need for Group talk is
> essential and the major reason to keep communication alive among
> the group
> creative art therapists.
>
>
> We have about 260 subscribers and I would like you to help me
> support
> group talk financially. I will develop a web page for group talk
> and
> house Jim Sack.s Bibliography at the site.
> I can also add many more options to the
> group talk web page as you might like to see.
>
>
> To financially support group talk . if we received one dollar
> from all
> subscribers that would keep us running for two years.
> So I am asking for a small donation simply to keep the
> communication channel open.
> I will take care of the web page and monitoring group talk .
> something I have been doing for over 10 years.
>
>
> Send checks to me
> Tom Treadwell
> 5216 Arrowhead Lane
> Drexel Hill, PA 19026
> I Ban ?????
>
>
> All financial support is very very much appreciated.
> To send email to grouptalk the address is as follows
> list at grouptalkweb.org
>
>
> Tom...thanks in advance..
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