List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 86
Linda Ciotola
vegmom at closecall.com
Fri Jul 28 18:09:49 CDT 2006
Dear Colleagues: I want to echo Kate's celebration of Zerka's new book. I
have bought and read it cover to cover and purchased two copies to give to
colleagues. I have also included it in the reading list for a course I have
designed to teach at Chesapeake College this fall, "Intro to Psychodrama"-
the text for the course is Adam's book , Foundations of Psychodrama. I have
been granted ceu approval for addictions counselors and lic. Prof counselors
and have cues pending for social workers. I am hoping this will help to
spread the appreciation of psychodrama to those in the counseling field and
others who are unfamiliar with its efficacy. In addition, I will be teaching
two faculty development courses using action methods and sociometry; (The
two courses are Decision Making and Problem Solving; and Respect; Diversity
Appreciation ) And speaking of publication, I was thrilled today when a
copy of the Journal arrived with my article published (thank you, Adam , for
nudging me to write it up). I read the Journal cover to cover and was very
moved by the article on the TSM drama . If people are wanting videos,( the
description reads like one,) the contact info for the author is listed.
I know there are many others in our community who are reaching out
to spread the word. This may not have any effect on the textbook omission by
Corsini, but I believe each of us can contribute to greater awareness....
With gratitude , Linda Ciotola
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2. Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained
in USA textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
(bulmonte21)
3. defending psychodrama (Adam Blatner)
4. Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained
in USA textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
(Anne Schutzenberger perso)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:21 -0400
From: Dr Kate Hudgins <drkatetsi at mac.com>
Subject: Zerka's newest and best book ever!
To: Grouptalk <List at grouptalkweb.org>,
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Hey Listserves. I want to tell you about Zerka Moreno's latest book,
"The Quintessential Zerka". It is a collection of her writings over
the last 50 years. Some published, some new. Jeanne Burger
commented it was the text for a course on psychodrama and I can see
the truth in that. Me...I just like the great picture of Zerka on
the cover.
Please support psychodrama by buying and also giving this book to
others needing contact with our universal good enough psychodrama
mama Zerka. I love my copy.
Kate
Begin forwarded message:
> Dear Kate,
>
> Imagine, with all the pleasure of seeing you here, I completely
> forgot to inform you, until after you left, that we have discovered
> a way for people to get my book at 20% discount.
>
> Tell whoever wants to get it to go to: www.b <http://www.b> &n key:
> quintessential
> zerka They will ship it for free.
>
> Hope this helps the book's distribution.
>
> Love, Zerka
Kate Hudgins, Ph.D., TEP
Clinical Psychologist
Director of Training
Therapeutic Spiral International, LLC
ww.therapeuticspiral.org
drkatetsi at mac.com
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From: bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained
in USA textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
To: Anne Schutzenberger perso <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
Cc: "Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL\(2006\)" <list at grouptalkweb.org>,
Christer Sandahl <christer.sandahl at sandahls.se>,
"Rene.Marineau\(2005\) Rene" <Rene_Marineau at uqtr.ca>, "Fahlstrom
Eva*\(Upp\)Fahlstrom" <connectedknowledge at yahoo.com>, Thomas
Treadwell
<ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>, "GARCIA \(USA\)Eduardo.ASGPP"
<asgpp at ASGPP.org>, Bonds-White Frances <FrancesBW at aol.com>,
"MACIEL
Manuela MACIEL\(2006\)" <manuelamaciel at sapo.pt>, TAUVON Kate
<tauvon at telia.com>, "KIBEL\(IAGP&perso\) Howard"
<hkibel at pol.net>,
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<fahlstrom_uppsala at yahoo.com>
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Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
I am ready to contribute with determination to all those attempts which
are going to keep safe the quality, the scientific base and the unique
originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy to the editors of the
textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a letter signed by
several of us (including colleagues from other approaches) and attaching
the latest survey on scientific research on Psychodrama reviewed by
Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that procedure?
If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I am not english mother
tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank you!
All the best
Jorge Burmeister
Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
> Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it remained in USA
> textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
>
> Dear Adam and collegues
>
> it is worrying that they are considering in USA to delate Psychodrama
> from "CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see below) in the succesors
> of " Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding.
> -then -2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by Adam Blatner for the
> 4th (1989 , 5th editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
>
> Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie AND WHAT IS THEIR
> EMAIL
> -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT UP WiTH THEM
> AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY OLDTIMERS AND HEADS OF
> SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT THE DELATION
>
> many of our collegues are for the moment in Brazil, in Sao Paulo,
> for the IAGP congress, and its psychodrama section, so may be they
> could help and do something,
> now,; together,
> and take this up as a question during the psychodrama various meetings
> in Brazil t this congress
>
> -A psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as President elect of
> IAGP,
> International Association for Group Psychotherapy(from July 2006 on )
> an old timer, Anne (97 years old and in psychodrama and groupanalysis
> since the fifties and co-fouonder of IAGP also, and its honorary
> archivist(2005-2006 and actually)
>
> for the present, a little unwell and resting in her high mountain home
> of French Alps(France)
> Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP
>
>
> Tout de bon ? Best of best
>
> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>
> Professeur des Universites(France)
>
> Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst,
>
> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>
> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>
> ==================
>
> Le 20 juil. 06 ? 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org
> <mailto:list-request at grouptalkweb.org> a ?crit :
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:11:20 -0500
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>>
>> Subject: psychodrama status
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>>
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>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks for
>> training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current
>> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series
>> is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on psychodrama were first
>> included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine. I wrote chapters for
>> the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
>>
>> This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who
>> reviews the relevance of each approach so that the editors can add
>> new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are dropping
>> out of favor.
>>
>> Here's a report done by their surveyors:
>>
>>
>>
>> This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on chapter
>> organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website features.
>> The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of all those who have
>> been sampled the seventh edition of the book, excluding the authors
>> of this and competing texts. There were 95 participants, 60% of
>> which were users of the book, while 40% used competing books. They
>> came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing, Education, Human
>> Development, and Social Work departments, and represented 41 states.
>>
>>
>>
>> Results
>>
>>
>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which was
>> assigned by a little under a quarter of professors. The online
>> chapter, Asian Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned, with under
>> 15%.
>>
>>
>>
>> When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13:
>> Psychodrama and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy, respondents
>> had similar reactions. For Psychodrama, about half didn't use it,
>> and about a quarter had a positive reaction. For Experiential, a
>> little under half didn't use it and a little under a quarter had
>> positive reactions.
>>
>>
>>
>> A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of which
>> could be combined into broader chapters. The most-named topics were
>> feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/self psychology
>> (about 15%), and reality (bring back) (about 15%). A third said that
>> the new information that should be added is postmodern/
>> solution-focused/narrative therapies. About 15% said that more
>> research was needed to back up the theories.
>>
>>
>>
>> For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the most
>> votes with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said it
>> was too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and 20% said
>> it needed more current therapies.
>>
>>
>>
>> When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it needed
>> more examples or more references for where to find more examples.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
>> demonstrating theory in action.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the respondents.
>> That may be due to the fact that it's new, because the positive
>> responses were very enthusiastic. However, two professors made the
>> suggestion to put this in a chapter that also includes all of the
>> creative therapies, such as art and music therapy, so that may be a
>> way to increase interest.
>>
>>
>> a.. A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard
>> evidence to be presented to support and/or dispute each theory.
>> So that's the status of our field in the academic
>> counselor-training fields. Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam Blatner, M.D.
>> (please reply to adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
>> website: www.blatner.com/adam/ <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>
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>> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:31:50 +1000
>> From: Peter Howie <peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au
>> <mailto:peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au>>
>> Subject: Re: psychodrama status
>> To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com
>> <mailto:adam at blatner.com>>,<list at grouptalkweb.org
>> <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>>
>> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060720143143.048cd2c0 at mail.ausat.net
>> <mailto:6.2.3.4.2.20060720143143.048cd2c0 at mail.ausat.net>>
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>>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I'm presuming that you are talking about the status of our field in
>> the USA. I raise this because of the greater centrality of Moreno and
>> psychodrama in South America and especially Brazil. I have one
>> trainee here who studied psychology in Brazil and predominantly
>> studied Moreno and Jung as they were the only real choices presented
>> to her. So the status there is far greater.
>>
>> I'm also slightly delighted, - or tongue in cheek - amazed that you
>> haven't been as vigorous in dissecting this piece of 'research' as
>> you often are with others. I think you have felt very deflated on
>> reading it and this is perhaps why you haven't been more skeptical of
>> what they have done.
>>
>> Anyway - thank you for letting us see this.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter Howie
>> Brisbane, Australia
>>
>>
>> At 01:11 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks
>>> for training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current
>>> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series
>>> is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on psychodrama were first
>>> included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine. I wrote chapters
>>> for the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed
>>> (2005).
>>>
>>> This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who
>>> reviews the relevance of each approach so that the editors can add
>>> new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are
>>> dropping out of favor.
>>>
>>> Here's a report done by their surveyors:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on
>>> chapter organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website
>>> features. The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of all
>>> those who have been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
>>> excluding the authors of this and competing texts. There were 95
>>> participants, 60% of which were users of the book, while 40% used
>>> competing books. They came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing,
>>> Education, Human Development, and Social Work departments, and
>>> represented 41 states.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
>>> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Results
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which was
>>> assigned by a little under a quarter of professors. The online
>>> chapter, Asian Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned, with under
>>> 15%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13:
>>> Psychodrama and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy, respondents
>>> had similar reactions. For Psychodrama, about half didn't use it,
>>> and about a quarter had a positive reaction. For Experiential, a
>>> little under half didn't use it and a little under a quarter had
>>> positive reactions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of which
>>> could be combined into broader chapters. The most-named topics were
>>> feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/self
>>> psychology (about 15%), and reality (bring back) (about 15%). A
>>> third said that the new information that should be added is
>>> postmodern/ solution-focused/narrative therapies. About 15% said
>>> that more research was needed to back up the theories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the most
>>> votes with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said it
>>> was too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and 20%
>>> said it needed more current therapies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it
>>> needed more examples or more references for where to find more examples.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
>>> demonstrating theory in action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the
>>> respondents. That may be due to the fact that it's new, because the
>>> positive responses were very enthusiastic. However, two professors
>>> made the suggestion to put this in a chapter that also includes all
>>> of the creative therapies, such as art and music therapy, so that
>>> may be a way to increase interest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard
>>> evidence to be presented to support and/or dispute each theory.
>>>
>>> So that's the status of our field in the academic
>>> counselor-training fields. Sigh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Blatner, M.D.
>>> (please reply to <mailto:adam at blatner.com>adam at blatner.com
>>> <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
>>> website: <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>www.blatner.com/adam/
>>> <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>
Subject: defending psychodrama
To: bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>, Anne Schutzenberger perso
<anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
Cc: "Grouptalk Tom TREADWELL\(2006\)" <list at grouptalkweb.org>,
Christer Sandahl <christer.sandahl at sandahls.se>,
"Rene.Marineau\(2005\) Rene" <Rene_Marineau at uqtr.ca>, "Fahlstrom
Eva*\(Upp\)Fahlstrom" <connectedknowledge at yahoo.com>, Thomas
Treadwell
<ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>, "GARCIA \(USA\)Eduardo.ASGPP"
<asgpp at ASGPP.org>, Bonds-White Frances <FrancesBW at aol.com>,
"MACIEL
Manuela MACIEL\(2006\)" <manuelamaciel at sapo.pt>, TAUVON Kate
<tauvon at telia.com>, "KIBEL\(IAGP&perso\) Howard"
<hkibel at pol.net>,
Daniel Sue <suedan at netspace.net.au>, eva fahlstrom
<fahlstrom_uppsala at yahoo.com>
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Dear Jorg and others,
The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
and I question whether writing a letter to anyone will
help. What's needed is a far more vigorous program of
writing papers for journals, doing research,
affiliating with academic programs, presenting at
conferences, again writing it up--just presenting
doesn't do it-- to begin to impress colleagues in the
USA that psychodrama is practical and effective. So
far, many of them in psychology and other fields are
not impressed. I have done what I can, writing papers
in many journals--e.g., the international journal of
psychotherapy has a paper by me addressing the state
of the art in the field, coming out in the November
issue this coming Fall.
By the way, I sent out a request for news and
publications, and indeed have been sending out such
requests for over 10 years, with very few people
answering each time. It has been like "pulling teeth."
It seems as if too many people are "busy" and feel
little obligation to network on the internet or
respond to email. As a result of what I take to be a
casual attitude about the need to respond to emails,
contribute, go out of one's way to think about how to
promote the field, in certain countries its reputation
among non-psychodramatists continues to slip. It is
too bad, but I assure you that letters of protest to
the survey committee or editors will just be seen as
pathetic rather than compelling.
I'll be interested in what you all think about
these ideas. Warmly, Adam Blatner
--- bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch> wrote:
> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>
> I am ready to contribute with determination to all
> those attempts which
> are going to keep safe the quality, the scientific
> base and the unique
> originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy to
> the editors of the
> textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a
> letter signed by
> several of us (including colleagues from other
> approaches) and attaching
> the latest survey on scientific research on
> Psychodrama reviewed by
> Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that procedure?
>
> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I
> am not english mother
> tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank you!
>
> All the best
>
> Jorge Burmeister
>
>
> Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
>
> > Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it
> remained in USA
> > textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
> >
> > Dear Adam and collegues
> >
> > it is worrying that they are considering in USA to
> delate Psychodrama
> > from "CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see
> below) in the succesors
> > of " Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray
> Corsini & Danny Wedding.
> > -then -2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by
> Adam Blatner for the
> > 4th (1989 , 5th editions (1995), and for the last
> 7th ed (2005).
> >
> > Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie
> AND WHAT IS THEIR
> > EMAIL
> > -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT
> UP WiTH THEM
> > AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY OLDTIMERS
> AND HEADS OF
> > SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT
> THE DELATION
> >
> > many of our collegues are for the moment in
> Brazil, in Sao Paulo,
> > for the IAGP congress, and its psychodrama
> section, so may be they
> > could help and do something,
> > now,; together,
> > and take this up as a question during the
> psychodrama various meetings
> > in Brazil t this congress
> >
> > -A psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as
> President elect of
> > IAGP,
> > International Association for Group
> Psychotherapy(from July 2006 on )
> > an old timer, Anne (97 years old and in
> psychodrama and groupanalysis
> > since the fifties and co-fouonder of IAGP also,
> and its honorary
> > archivist(2005-2006 and actually)
> >
> > for the present, a little unwell and resting in
> her high mountain home
> > of French Alps(France)
> > Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP
> >
> >
> > Tout de bon ? Best of best
> >
> > Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French
> Alps)
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
> >
> > Professeur des Universites(France)
> >
> > Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst,
> >
> > Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> >
> > anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
> > <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
> >
> > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
> >
> > ==================
> >
> > Le 20 juil. 06 ? 19:00,
> list-request at grouptalkweb.org
> > <mailto:list-request at grouptalkweb.org> a ?crit :
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> >> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com
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> >> Subject: psychodrama status
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> >> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the
> major textbooks for
> >> training psychotherapists and counselors has been
> Current
> >> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny
> Wedding. This series
> >> is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on
> psychodrama were first
> >> included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.
> I wrote chapters for
> >> the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for
> the last 7th ed (2005).
> >>
> >> This series has been taken over by a
> textbook publisher who
> >> reviews the relevance of each approach so that
> the editors can add
> >> new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out
> ones that are dropping
> >> out of favor.
> >>
> >> Here's a report done by their
> surveyors:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This was a pre-revision survey that included
> questions on chapter
> >> organization, general issues, ancillaries, and
> website features.
> >> The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of
> all those who have
> >> been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
> excluding the authors
> >> of this and competing texts. There were 95
> participants, 60% of
> >> which were users of the book, while 40% used
> competing books. They
> >> came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing,
> Education, Human
> >> Development, and Social Work departments, and
> represented 41 states.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Results
> >>
> >>
> >> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13:
> Psychodrama, which was
> >> assigned by a little under a quarter of
> professors.
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:28:49 +0200
From: Anne Schutzenberger perso <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained
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Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained in USA
textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
Dear Jorg
we need to know from Adam who these people are, and their email, to
write to them
and one has to be American or English to draft a proper letter
Adam is american and verymuch concerned, thus I suggest he give us
the names and eMail,
and that we ask him to make a draft, and to Michael Wieser to add his
findings,
and then we shall see who could write a proper letter to the new
editors of current therapies(2007)
and just now, I am a little unwell, and not very bright and this
needs thinking
some of our american friends, psychodramatists or friends of
psychodrama could probably suggest a good draft
to explain how and why psychodrama is important and more so the more
times goes (but really good psychodrama, done by really well trained
psych?dramatists, educated and knowledgeable in many avenues of our
art) - as Sherloick Holmes put it, an oblique use of culture taken
from many avenues outside , and in a "safe space " to express anythng
and everthing and be heard abnd hokld
Many recent research explain it well, as research has proved that
verbal talk is unable to repair deeply and completely heavy traumas,
or drastic traumas in childhood, and that other methods, like using
body and mind (liken say, psychodrama) and free associations reach
further(like psychodrala and other action methods)
-,but it should be well argued, in short convicing sentences
I did some of it in Englsh in my last English article for a
collective book on psychodrama (edited by Clark Baim) for Routedge
(in print next year, but all prepared for printing)= (our collective
book, dear Jorg and dear Manuela) on what is new in psychodrama -(for
Routledge) , but for the editors of the next issue of Current
Psychotherapies,(USA) - it should be well argued, in short convicing
sentences , and as yo u know, it is sometimes easier for someone else
to take it up shortly than for the person who wrote it -
Many research and arguments were taken from research and writing of
Bessel van der Kolk
("Traumatic stress", Guidford Press) and from Thomlas Lewis, "A
general Theory of love", Random House,
Vintage book 2001, both in USA
more later, Anne, 87 years old and resting these weeks in her high
mountain home
This week is a very bad, most difficult week for me
Tout de bon ? Best of best
Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
----------------------------------------------------
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
Le 28 juil. 06 ? 02:26, bulmonte21 a ?crit :
> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>
> I am ready to contribute with determination to all those attempts
> which are going to keep safe the quality, the scientific base and
> the unique originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy to the
> editors of the textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a
> letter signed by several of us (including colleagues from other
> approaches) and attaching the latest survey on scientific research
> on Psychodrama reviewed by Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that
> procedure?
>
> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I am not english
> mother tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank you!
>
> All the best
>
> Jorge Burmeister
>
>
> Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
>
>> Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it remained in USA
>> textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
>>
>> Dear Adam and collegues
>>
>> it is worrying that they are considering in USA to delate
>> Psychodrama from "CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see below)
>> in the succesors of " Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray
>> Corsini & Danny Wedding.
>> -then -2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by Adam Blatner for
>> the 4th (1989 , 5th editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
>> Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie AND WHAT IS
>> THEIR EMAIL -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT UP
>> WiTH THEM AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY OLDTIMERS AND
>> HEADS OF SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT THE DELATION
>>
>> many of our collegues are for the moment in Brazil, in Sao Paulo,
>> for the IAGP congress, and its psychodrama section, so may be they
>> could help and do something,
>> now,; together, and take this up as a question during the
>> psychodrama various meetings in Brazil t this congress
>> -A psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as President elect
>> of IAGP, International Association for Group Psychotherapy(from
>> July 2006 on ) an old timer, Anne (97 years old and in
>> psychodrama and groupanalysis since the fifties and co-fouonder of
>> IAGP also, and its honorary archivist(2005-2006 and actually)
>>
>> for the present, a little unwell and resting in her high mountain
>> home of French Alps(France)
>> Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP
>>
>> Tout de bon ? Best of best
>>
>> Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>>
>> Professeur des Universites(France)
>> Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst,
>> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
>> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>
>> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>>
>> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>>
>> ==================
>>
>> Le 20 juil. 06 ? 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list-
>> request at grouptalkweb.org> a ?crit :
>>
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>>>
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>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:11:20 -0500
>>> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>>
>>> Subject: psychodrama status
>>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>>
>>> Message-ID: <006d01c6abaa$2d804990$2f01a8c0 at dell>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks
>>> for training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current
>>> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This
>>> series is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on psychodrama
>>> were first included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine. I
>>> wrote chapters for the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and
>>> for the last 7th ed (2005).
>>> This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who
>>> reviews the relevance of each approach so that the editors can
>>> add new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are
>>> dropping out of favor.
>>>
>>> Here's a report done by their surveyors:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on
>>> chapter organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website
>>> features. The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of all
>>> those who have been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
>>> excluding the authors of this and competing texts. There were 95
>>> participants, 60% of which were users of the book, while 40% used
>>> competing books. They came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing,
>>> Education, Human Development, and Social Work departments, and
>>> represented 41 states.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Results
>>>
>>>
>>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which
>>> was assigned by a little under a quarter of professors. The
>>> online chapter, Asian Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned,
>>> with under 15%.
>>>
>>>
>>> When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13:
>>> Psychodrama and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy,
>>> respondents had similar reactions. For Psychodrama, about half
>>> didn't use it, and about a quarter had a positive reaction. For
>>> Experiential, a little under half didn't use it and a little
>>> under a quarter had positive reactions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of
>>> which could be combined into broader chapters. The most-named
>>> topics were feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/
>>> self psychology (about 15%), and reality (bring back) (about
>>> 15%). A third said that the new information that should be added
>>> is postmodern/ solution-focused/narrative therapies. About 15%
>>> said that more research was needed to back up the theories.
>>>
>>>
>>> For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the
>>> most votes with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said
>>> it was too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and
>>> 20% said it needed more current therapies.
>>>
>>>
>>> When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it
>>> needed more examples or more references for where to find more
>>> examples.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
>>> demonstrating theory in action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the respondents.
>>> That may be due to the fact that it's new, because the positive
>>> responses were very enthusiastic. However, two professors made
>>> the suggestion to put this in a chapter that also includes all of
>>> the creative therapies, such as art and music therapy, so that
>>> may be a way to increase interest.
>>>
>>> a.. A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard
>>> evidence to be presented to support and/or dispute each
>>> theory. So that's the status of our field in the academic
>>> counselor-training fields. Sigh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Blatner, M.D.
>>> (please reply to adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
>>> website: www.blatner.com/adam/ <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>
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>>> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:31:50 +1000
>>> From: Peter Howie <peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au
>>> <mailto:peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au>>
>>> Subject: Re: psychodrama status
>>> To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com
>>> <mailto:adam at blatner.com>>,<list at grouptalkweb.org
>>> <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>>
>>> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060720143143.048cd2c0 at mail.ausat.net
>>> <mailto:6.2.3.4.2.20060720143143.048cd2c0 at mail.ausat.net>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I'm presuming that you are talking about the status of our field
>>> in the USA. I raise this because of the greater centrality of
>>> Moreno and psychodrama in South America and especially Brazil. I
>>> have one trainee here who studied psychology in Brazil and
>>> predominantly studied Moreno and Jung as they were the only real
>>> choices presented to her. So the status there is far greater.
>>>
>>> I'm also slightly delighted, - or tongue in cheek - amazed that
>>> you haven't been as vigorous in dissecting this piece of
>>> 'research' as you often are with others. I think you have felt
>>> very deflated on reading it and this is perhaps why you haven't
>>> been more skeptical of what they have done.
>>>
>>> Anyway - thank you for letting us see this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Peter Howie
>>> Brisbane, Australia
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:11 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major
>>>> textbooks for training psychotherapists and counselors has been
>>>> Current Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding.
>>>> This series is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on
>>>> psychodrama were first included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by
>>>> Leon Fine. I wrote chapters for the 4th (1989) and 5th editions
>>>> (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
>>>>
>>>> This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher
>>>> who reviews the relevance of each approach so that the editors
>>>> can add new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that
>>>> are dropping out of favor.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a report done by their surveyors:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on
>>>> chapter organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website
>>>> features. The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of all
>>>> those who have been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
>>>> excluding the authors of this and competing texts. There were
>>>> 95 participants, 60% of which were users of the book, while 40%
>>>> used competing books. They came from Psychology, Counseling,
>>>> Nursing, Education, Human Development, and Social Work
>>>> departments, and represented 41 states.<?xml:namespace prefix =
>>>> o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Results
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which
>>>> was assigned by a little under a quarter of professors. The
>>>> online chapter, Asian Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned,
>>>> with under 15%.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13:
>>>> Psychodrama and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy,
>>>> respondents had similar reactions. For Psychodrama, about half
>>>> didn't use it, and about a quarter had a positive reaction. For
>>>> Experiential, a little under half didn't use it and a little
>>>> under a quarter had positive reactions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of
>>>> which could be combined into broader chapters. The most-named
>>>> topics were feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-
>>>> relations/self psychology (about 15%), and reality (bring back)
>>>> (about 15%). A third said that the new information that should
>>>> be added is postmodern/ solution-focused/narrative therapies.
>>>> About 15% said that more research was needed to back up the
>>>> theories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the
>>>> most votes with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter
>>>> said it was too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students,
>>>> and 20% said it needed more current therapies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it
>>>> needed more examples or more references for where to find more
>>>> examples.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
>>>> demonstrating theory in action.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the
>>>> respondents. That may be due to the fact that it's new, because
>>>> the positive responses were very enthusiastic. However, two
>>>> professors made the suggestion to put this in a chapter that
>>>> also includes all of the creative therapies, such as art and
>>>> music therapy, so that may be a way to increase interest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard
>>>> evidence to be presented to support and/or dispute each theory.
>>>>
>>>> So that's the status of our field in the academic counselor-
>>>> training fields. Sigh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam Blatner, M.D.
>>>> (please reply to <mailto:adam at blatner.com>adam at blatner.com
>>>> <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
>>>> website: <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>www.blatner.com/adam/
>>>> <http://www.blatner.com/adam/>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:01:30 -0400
From: francesbw at aol.com
Subject: Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained
in USA textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
To: anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr, bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org, christer.sandahl at sandahls.se,
Rene_Marineau at uqtr.ca, genzo at ka3.so-net.ne.jp,
connectedknowledge at yahoo.com, ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu,
asgpp at ASGPP.org, manuelamaciel at sapo.pt, cbaim at hotmail.com,
tauvon at telia.com, hkibel at pol.net, suedan at netspace.net.au,
fahlstrom_uppsala at yahoo.com
Message-ID: <8C8804C5099157C-17B4-1B08 at MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Dear All:
I have been away from the internet for a few days during and after the
conference. If you can get someone to draft a letter, I will be happy to be
a cosigner.
cheers
francesbw
Frances Bonds-White, Ed.D
President International Association for Group Psychotherapy
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Subject: Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained in USA
textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
Re: Help:how defend Psychodrama status and have it remained in USA
textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
Dear Jorg
we need to know from Adam who these people are, and their email, to write
to them and one has to be American or English to draft a proper letter
Adam is american and verymuch concerned, thus I suggest he give us the
names and eMail, and that we ask him to make a draft, and to Michael Wieser
to add his findings, and then we shall see who could write a proper letter
to the new editors of current therapies(2007)
and just now, I am a little unwell, and not very bright and this needs
thinking
some of our american friends, psychodramatists or friends of psychodrama
could probably suggest a good draft to explain how and why psychodrama is
important and more so the more times goes (but really good psychodrama, done
by really well trained psych?dramatists, educated and knowledgeable in many
avenues of our art) - as Sherloick Holmes put it, an oblique use of culture
taken from many avenues outside , and in a "safe space " to express anythng
and everthing and be heard abnd hokld
Many recent research explain it well, as research has proved that verbal
talk is unable to repair deeply and completely heavy traumas, or drastic
traumas in childhood, and that other methods, like using body and mind
(liken say, psychodrama) and free associations reach further(like
psychodrala and other action methods) -,but it should be well argued, in
short convicing sentences I did some of it in Englsh in my last English
article for a collective book on psychodrama (edited by Clark Baim) for
Routedge(in print next year, but all prepared for printing)= (our collective
book, dear Jorg and dear Manuela) on what is new in psychodrama -(for
Routledge) , but for the editors of the next issue of Current
Psychotherapies,(USA) - it should be well argued, in short convicing
sentences , and as yo u know, it is sometimes easier for someone else to
take it up shortly than for the person who wrote it - Many research and
arguments were taken from research and writing of Bessel van der Kolk
("Traumatic stress", Guidford Press) and from Thomlas Lewis, "A general
Theory of love", Random House, Vintage book 2001, both in USA
more later, Anne, 87 years old and resting these weeks in her high mountain
home This week is a very bad, most difficult week for me
Tout de bon ? Best of best Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French
Alps) ---------------------------------------------------- Anne Ancelin
Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
Le 28 juil. 06 ? 02:26, bulmonte21 a ?crit :
Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
I am ready to contribute with determination to all those attempts which
are going to keep safe the quality, the scientific base and the unique
originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy to the editors of the
textbook. For that purpose I suggest to write a letter signed by several of
us (including colleagues from other approaches) and attaching the latest
survey on scientific research on Psychodrama reviewed by Michael Wieser. Do
you agree with that procedure?
If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I am not english mother
tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank you!
All the best
Jorge Burmeister
Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it remained in USA
textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
Dear Adam and collegues
it is worrying that they are considering in USA to delate Psychodrama from
"CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see below) in the succesors of "
Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. -then -2nd
edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by Adam Blatner for the 4th (1989 , 5th
editions (1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005). Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE
SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie AND WHAT IS THEIR EMAIL -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I
WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT UP WiTH THEM AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY
OLDTIMERS AND HEADS OF SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT THE
DELATION
many of our collegues are for the moment in Brazil, in Sao Paulo, for the
IAGP congress, and its psychodrama section, so may be they could help and do
something, now,; together, and take this up as a question during the
psychodrama various meetings in Brazil t this congress -A
psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as President elect of IAGP,
International Association for Group Psychotherapy(from July 2006 on ) an old
timer, Anne (97 years old and in psychodrama and groupanalysis since the
fifties and co-fouonder of IAGP also, and its honorary archivist(2005-2006
and actually)
for the present, a little unwell and resting in her high mountain home of
French Alps(France) Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP
Tout de bon ? Best of best
Anne (Argenti?re-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)
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Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Professeur des Universites(France) Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst,
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
<mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks for
training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current Psychotherapies,
edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series is now preparing its 8th
edition. Chapters on psychodrama were first included in the 2nd edition,
1973, by Leon Fine. I wrote chapters for the 4th (1989) and 5th editions
(1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005). This series has been taken over by
a textbook publisher who reviews the relevance of each approach so that the
editors can add new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out ones that are
dropping out of favor.
Here's a report done by their surveyors:
This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on chapter
organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website features. The survey
respondents were drawn from a pool of all those who have been sampled the
seventh edition of the book, excluding the authors of this and competing
texts. There were 95 participants, 60% of which were users of the book,
while 40% used competing books. They came from Psychology, Counseling,
Nursing, Education, Human Development, and Social Work departments, and
represented 41 states.
Results
The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which was assigned
by a little under a quarter of professors. The online chapter, Asian
Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned, with under 15%.
When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13: Psychodrama
and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy, respondents had similar
reactions. For Psychodrama, about half didn't use it, and about a quarter
had a positive reaction. For Experiential, a little under half didn't use it
and a little under a quarter had positive reactions.
A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of which could
be combined into broader chapters. The most-named topics were
feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/self psychology (about
15%), and reality (bring back) (about 15%). A third said that the new
information that should be added is postmodern/ solution-focused/narrative
therapies. About 15% said that more research was needed to back up the
theories.
For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the most votes
with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said it was
too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and 20% said it needed
more current therapies.
When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it needed more
examples or more references for where to find more examples.
Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
demonstrating theory in action.
Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the respondents. That may
be due to the fact that it's new, because the positive responses were very
enthusiastic. However, two professors made the suggestion to put this in a
chapter that also includes all of the creative therapies, such as art and
music therapy, so that may be a way to increase interest.
a.. A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard evidence
to be presented to support and/or dispute each theory. So that's the status
of our field in the academic counselor-training fields. Sigh.
Adam Blatner, M.D. (please reply to adam at blatner.com
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Subject: Re: psychodrama status To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com
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Hi Adam,
I'm presuming that you are talking about the status of our field in the
USA. I raise this because of the greater centrality of Moreno and
psychodrama in South America and especially Brazil. I have one trainee here
who studied psychology in Brazil and predominantly studied Moreno and Jung
as they were the only real choices presented to her. So the status there is
far greater.
I'm also slightly delighted, - or tongue in cheek - amazed that you
haven't been as vigorous in dissecting this piece of 'research' as you often
are with others. I think you have felt very deflated on reading it and this
is perhaps why you haven't been more skeptical of what they have done.
Anyway - thank you for letting us see this.
Cheers
Peter Howie Brisbane, Australia
At 01:11 PM 20/07/2006, you wrote:
Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the major textbooks for
training psychotherapists and counselors has been Current Psychotherapies,
edited by Ray Corsini & Danny Wedding. This series is now preparing its 8th
edition. Chapters on psychodrama were first included in the 2nd edition,
1973, by Leon Fine. I wrote chapters for the 4th (1989) and 5th editions
(1995), and for the last 7th ed (2005).
This series has been taken over by a textbook publisher who reviews the
relevance of each approach so that the editors can add new ones that seem to
be in fashion, take out ones that are dropping out of favor.
Here's a report done by their surveyors:
This was a pre-revision survey that included questions on chapter
organization, general issues, ancillaries, and website features. The survey
respondents were drawn from a pool of all those who have been sampled the
seventh edition of the book, excluding the authors of this and competing
texts. There were 95 participants, 60% of which were users of the book,
while 40% used competing books. They came from Psychology, Counseling,
Nursing, Education, Human Development, and Social Work departments, and
represented 41 states.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Results
The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: Psychodrama, which was assigned
by a little under a quarter of professors. The online chapter, Asian
Psychotherapies, was also rarely assigned, with under 15%.
When asked their reactions to the new chapters, Chapter 13: Psychodrama
and Chapter 14: Experiential Psychotherapy, respondents had similar
reactions. For Psychodrama, about half didn't use it, and about a quarter
had a positive reaction. For Experiential, a little under half didn't use it
and a little under a quarter had positive reactions.
A wide variety of chapters to be added were suggested, many of which could
be combined into broader chapters. The most-named topics were
feminist/gender therapy (about 20%), object-relations/self psychology (about
15%), and reality (bring back) (about 15%). A third said that the new
information that should be added is postmodern/ solution-focused/narrative
therapies. About 15% said that more research was needed to back up the
theories.
For chapters that should be deleted, Experiential received the most votes
with almost a quarter. Psychodrama received about 20%.
Of those who decided against using the text, about a quarter said it was
too advanced or detailed for undergraduate students, and 20% said it needed
more current therapies.
When asked what one thing should be changed, about 15% said it needed more
examples or more references for where to find more examples.
Nearly everyone (96.5%) would be interested in video vignettes
demonstrating theory in action.
Chapter 13, Psychodrama, wasn't used by many of the respondents. That may
be due to the fact that it's new, because the positive responses were very
enthusiastic. However, two professors made the suggestion to put this in a
chapter that also includes all of the creative therapies, such as art and
music therapy, so that may be a way to increase interest.
* A few professors expressed a need for more research or hard evidence to
be presented to support and/or dispute each theory.
So that's the status of our field in the academic counselor-training
fields. Sigh.
Adam Blatner, M.D. (please reply to
<mailto:adam at blatner.com>adam at blatner.com <mailto:adam at blatner.com>)
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