Adam, you started this:could we have their names &email, Please:defending psychodrama

Sun Jul 30 06:13:08 CDT 2006

Dear Anne, Adam, Jorge and all

I do believe that it is important to gbe proactive in this situation and 
do something fast about it. It doesn`t make sense that we let 
"psychodrama" fall out of the current Psychotherapies handbook in the 
USA. What can we do then? Can we find a consensus? I want to cooperate!
Warmly
Manuela Maciel

Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:

> Re:Adam,you started this:could we have their names 
> &email,Please:defending psychodrama
>
> You were right  to get us alarmed, as it is a bad sign to take off 
> psychodrama from the annual USA book "Current Psychotherapies", after 
> Corsini, others and Blatner , as some revisers suggested 
>
> You did your very best and what you could, as you write below, but may 
> be others could find an other way of speaking about psychodrama and 
> its unique usefullness, for research reasons, 
> - research done in high sphere of universities, and research centers, 
> and not by psychodramatists
>
> May be some of us could write an excellent collective letter to them, 
> with other arguments than yours : `
> you started this, so, please, let us follow it  and up to them , 
> who ever are the new successors of Current Therapies in USA  in 2007
>
> - You say that you did your best (thanks fir doing it ) 
>
>
> - May be it is the turn of completely different approach of scientific 
> resear done here and there in the world 
>
> that is needed to convince these "clinical councelling councellors" 
> (who are the'y ? please ?? 
>
> do help to follow up  your old  good job 
>
>
> warmly, anne, 87 and in group work and psychodrama since 1951 
>
> co)-ounder if IAGP(and International Council member before), 
>
> IActual IAGP honorary archivist  
>
> University Professor(France), group-analyst, psychodramatist TEP 
>
>
> Tout de bon – Best of best
>
> Anne   (Argentière-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French Alps)(France)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>
> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>
> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr 
> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>
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>
> Le 28 juil. 06 à 05:55, Adam Blatner a écrit :
>
> Dear Jorg and others, 
>
>   The survey was of leaders of counseling programs,
>
> and I question whether writing a letter to anyone will
> help. 
> What's needed is a far more vigorous program of
> writing papers for journals, doing research,
> affiliating with academic programs, 
> presenting at conferences, again writing it up--
> just presenting doesn't do it-- 
> - to begin to impress colleagues in the USA 
> that psychodrama is practical and effective. 
>
> So far, many of them in psychology and other fields are
> not impressed. 
> I have done what I can, writing papers
> in many journals--e.g., the international journal of
> psychotherapy has a paper by me addressing the state
> of the art in the field, coming out in the November
> issue this coming Fall. 
>
>>     By the way, I sent out a request for news and
>> publications, and indeed have been sending out such
>> requests for over 10 years, with very few people
>> answering each time. It has been like "pulling teeth."
>>  It seems as if too many people are "busy" and feel
>> little obligation to network on the internet or
>> respond to email.  As a result of what I take to be a
>> casual attitude about the need to respond to emails,
>> contribute, go out of one's way to think about how to
>> promote the field, in certain countries its reputation
>> among non-psychodramatists continues to slip. It is
>> too bad, but I assure you that letters of protest to
>> the survey committee or editors will just be seen as
>> pathetic rather than compelling. 
>>
>>     I'll be interested in what you all think about
>> these ideas. Warmly, Adam Blatner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- bulmonte21 <bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch <mailto:bulmonte21 at bluewin.ch>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Anne, Adam and colleagues,
>>>
>>> I am ready to contribute with determination to all
>>> those attempts which 
>>> are going to keep safe the quality, the scientific
>>> base and the unique 
>>> originality of the psychodramatic psychotherapy to
>>> the editors of the 
>>> textbook. For that purpose I suggest  to write a
>>> letter signed by 
>>> several of us (including colleagues from other
>>> approaches) and attaching 
>>> the latest survey on scientific research on
>>> Psychodrama reviewed by 
>>> Michael Wieser. Do you agree with that procedure?
>>>
>>> If yes Adam could you please draft one letter as I
>>> am not english mother 
>>> tongue speaker? This would be marvellous. Thank you!
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Jorge Burmeister
>>>
>>>
>>> Anne Schutzenberger perso wrote:
>>>
>>>> Help:how defend Psychodrama Status and have it
>>>
>>> remained in USA 
>>>
>>>> textbook(Anne-France)/List Digest, Vol 1, Issue 60
>>>>
>>>> Dear Adam and collegues
>>>>
>>>> it is worrying that they are considering in USA to
>>>
>>> delate Psychodrama 
>>>
>>>> from "CURRENT psychotherapies" text book (see
>>>
>>> below) in the succesors 
>>>
>>>> of " Current Psychotherapies," edited by Ray
>>>
>>> Corsini & Danny Wedding.
>>>
>>>>  -then -2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.-then by
>>>
>>> Adam Blatner for the 
>>>
>>>> 4th (1989 , 5th editions (1995), and for the last
>>>
>>> 7th ed (2005). 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please, ADAM, WHO ARE THE SURVEYORS OF THE NEW Cie
>>>
>>> AND WHAT IS THEIR 
>>>
>>>> EMAIL 
>>>> -OR SOME OF THE EMAILS - I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT
>>>
>>> UP WiTH THEM 
>>>
>>>> AND I THINK THAT MANY OF US, (ESPECIALLY OLDTIMERS
>>>
>>> AND HEADS OF 
>>>
>>>> SCHOOLS) SHOULD WRITE TO THEM AND PROTEST ABOUT
>>>
>>> THE DELATION
>>>
>>>>
>>>> many of our collegues are for the moment in
>>>
>>> Brazil, in Sao Paulo, 
>>>
>>>> for the IAGP congress, and its psychodrama
>>>
>>> section, so may be they 
>>>
>>>> could help and do something,
>>>>  now,; together, 
>>>> and take this up as a question during the
>>>
>>> psychodrama various meetings 
>>>
>>>> in Brazil t this congress 
>>>>
>>>> -A psychodramatist(Jorg) just has been elected as
>>>
>>> President elect of 
>>>
>>>> IAGP, 
>>>> International Association for Group
>>>
>>> Psychotherapy(from July 2006 on ) 
>>>
>>>>  an old timer, Anne (97 years old and in
>>>
>>> psychodrama and groupanalysis 
>>>
>>>> since the fifties and co-fouonder of IAGP also,
>>>
>>> and its honorary 
>>>
>>>> archivist(2005-2006 and actually)
>>>>
>>>> for the present, a little unwell and resting in
>>>
>>> her high mountain home 
>>>
>>>> of French Alps(France)
>>>> Professor Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD,TEP 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tout de bon – Best of best
>>>>
>>>> Anne   (Argentière-Chamonix Mont-Blanc) (French
>>>
>>> Alps)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>>>>
>>>> Professeur des Universites(France) 
>>>>
>>>> Psychodramatisty, grpoupanalyst, 
>>>>
>>>> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>>
>>> <mailto:Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr 
>>>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr> 
>>>> <mailto:anne.schutzenberger at worldonline.fr>
>>>>
>>>> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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>>>>> Dear Colleagues, for your information, one of the
>>>>
>>> major textbooks for 
>>>
>>>>> training psychotherapists and counselors has been
>>>>
>>> Current 
>>>
>>>>> Psychotherapies, edited by Ray Corsini & Danny
>>>>
>>> Wedding. This series 
>>>
>>>>> is now preparing its 8th edition. Chapters on
>>>>
>>> psychodrama were first 
>>>
>>>>> included in the 2nd edition, 1973, by Leon Fine.
>>>>
>>> I wrote chapters for 
>>>
>>>>> the 4th (1989) and 5th editions (1995), and for
>>>>
>>> the last 7th ed (2005). 
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       This series has been taken over by a
>>>>
>>> textbook publisher who 
>>>
>>>>> reviews the relevance of each approach so that
>>>>
>>> the editors can add 
>>>
>>>>> new ones that seem to be in fashion, take out
>>>>
>>> ones that are dropping 
>>>
>>>>> out of favor.
>>>>>
>>>>>           Here's a report done by their
>>>>
>>> surveyors:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     This was a pre-revision survey that included
>>>>
>>> questions on chapter 
>>>
>>>>> organization, general issues, ancillaries, and
>>>>
>>> website features.   
>>>
>>>>> The survey respondents were drawn from a pool of
>>>>
>>> all those who have 
>>>
>>>>> been sampled the seventh edition of the book,
>>>>
>>> excluding the authors 
>>>
>>>>> of this and competing texts.  There were 95
>>>>
>>> participants, 60% of 
>>>
>>>>> which were users of the book, while 40% used
>>>>
>>> competing books.  They 
>>>
>>>>> came from Psychology, Counseling, Nursing,
>>>>
>>> Education, Human 
>>>
>>>>> Development, and Social Work departments,  and
>>>>
>>> represented 41 states.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Results
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The least-assigned chapter was Chapter 13: 
>>>>
>>> Psychodrama, which was 
>>>
>>>>> assigned by a little under a quarter of
>>>>
>>> professors. 
>>
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