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Sun Oct 1 08:34:21 CDT 2006

Dear Rebecka at the Hudson Valley Chapter,
Thanks for you offer. I would be very interested to receive your guidelines.
My e mail address is christinahagelthorn at tele2.se. The best of luck with
your continued work!
Warmly,
Christina
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: side issue


>     The Hudson Valley Chapter of the ASGPP has been having monthly open
> sessions for close to fifteen years, I think, with no problems. They are
> short..about 2 to two and a half hours, and we market it as a
demonstration.
> It beings in lots of grad students, psychodrama students who come to see
the
> different directors from all over, and a core of community members who
come
> to be part of the experience on a regular or not so regular basis. We try
to
> keep the dramas short and focused on the here and now or near future, and
> work hard not to do family of origin or trauma drama, referring people on
to
> an ongoing therapy group or a private practitioner for that work.
>    There was a huge turnout right after 9/11 (Claire Danielsson did one
part
> and I did the other)and right after we went into Iraq (Jonathan Fox did
that
> session). The open sessions turned into sociodramas. It was very powerful.
>   We have created guidelines for open sessions if anyone wants
them....they
> are more then welcome.
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: side issue
>
>
> >
> > Hi Bud,
> >
> >       I have been following your discussion with much interest. As a
side
> > issue: during the years when  I was directing   sessions open sessions
to
> > the public at the Moreno institute in New York City, anyone could buy a
> > ticket, however  after filling out  a  form releasing  Moreno Institute
> > from
> > any responsibility for their welfare, These would be collected and  send
> > back  to Beacon .
> >
> > Usually it was a non event.  On occasion this requirement would
elicitate
> > lots of questioning.  When lots of combatitive questions,or anxiety
> > twinged
> > questions re the form and/or the method would arise, I'd engage in a
> > dialoque,encouraging  this person's  participation or gently  advising
the
> > person to  err on the side of caution.
> > Because the City in the seventies was a rather  dangerous place -this
> > requirement made me feel protected and protective of the
participants,even
> > if the form was not really legally binding. Those who chose to
participate
> > -were made aware of their responsibilities.
> >
> > I have been recently thinking of a need for a place where people could
> > come
> > to have a psychodrama  experience.    Count me in!
> >
> > Q:What do readers of the list think of ressurrecting the tradition of
> > open
> > sessions during asgpp annual meetings? Both as a way to demonstrate the
> > method,and also as a  forum for working out stressful issues  generated
by
> > the participation in the convention (after signing a release form?)
> > Does anyone know why these were discontinued?
> >
> > wamly,
> >
> >     anath garber,nyc
> >>From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> >>To: sylvia at imaginecenter.net, list at grouptalkweb.org
> >>Subject: Re: clients in training workshops
> >>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>Dear Sylvia:
> >>   I am not at all sure what the position of the examining group is in
> >>regard to the questions you pose. In a previous post, I stated my
opinions
> >>regarding someone in a therapy group moving to a training group and saw
no
> >>problem with this relying on my clinical judgment as to the
> >>appropriateness
> >>of such a move for each specific individual.
> >>   I would like to address your last question about the appropriateness
of
> >>participants in a one day workshop.
> >>   There are many approaches all the way from 1) having people sign a
> >>specific statement of acknowledgment about the possible intensity of the
> >>workshop and their willingness to participate in it and hold no one
there
> >>either the director of other participants liable for any significant
upset
> >>that the signing participant may experience; and 2) no requirement at
all
> >>open to anyone who comes signs up or comes in the door.  While the
former
> >>is not actually legally binding, it does allow the participant to make a
> >>decision up front.
> >>
> >>   Upon meeting the people in the workshop, you may find that one of the
> >>participants is quite unstable to the extent that you feel they will not
> >>adequately benefit from the workshop and will to a large extent occupy
too
> >>much of the energies of the group as well as your own resources to be
> >>dealt
> >>with in so short a time. With your clinical skills, you can then invite
> >>them to come to see you privately to pursue this if they wish and ask
them
> >>to leave for the present time and refund their monies. Or you can move
> >>ahead and use their situation as a teaching moment. I have in fact done
> >>this in the past with no particular difficulties encountered.
> >>
> >>   In the days when I was a director of the open sessions at the Moreno
> >>Psychodrama Stage in New York City, anyone who walked in was accepted.
> >>They
> >>bought their ticket and entered.  There were numerous very heavy duty
> >>situations including one where an audience member who was a returning
> >>depressed Vietnam Veteran began to have flashbacks and saw me as his
> >>sargent and came forward saying that he was going to kill me as he felt
> >>that I was responsible for the deaths of his buddies and for all the
pain
> >>that he was suffering. That was quite a night which ended with his
weeping
> >>in my arms as we got to the bottom of it all with the  help of my wife
of
> >>that time who is one of the finest auxiliaries I have ever witnessed,
> >>Bonnie Weiss, and several people who had become regulars at my sessions
> >>assisting as fine auxiliaries themselves.
> >>
> >>   My inclination now is to use some form that people will fill out and
> >>sign prior to participating in any extended day long training or
workshop.
> >>I want people to warm up even prior to arriving or at the very least
prior
> >>to the workshop beginning as they sign in. Such a form serves to begin
> >>that
> >>process quite well.
> >>
> >>   I would love to begin somewhere having open sessions again where
anyone
> >>can come in regardless of what they bring. Often therapists would send
> >>their clients to my sessions as well as the other directors to work on
> >>something in particular that they had been addressing in their therapy.
> >>The
> >>therapist thought, and rightly so,  that a session might help their
client
> >>to resolve the issue to the extent that their therapy could move on to
the
> >>next stage so to speak.  I am looking into making such sessions
available
> >>in a couple of places in New York City as well as up state where I am
> >>nearly every week now with my work with Dr. Malidoma Some and the
village
> >>that I have been involved in creating there.
> >>
> >>   Going to make a presentation at a meeting or convention or hospital
is
> >>different as those presentations are usually not meant to go into great
> >>depth and of course they  may end in doing so none the less. However,
> >>these
> >>are demonstrations usually lasting no more than a couple of hours at
best
> >>and are meant in my estimation to open the door for people to come back
> >>for
> >>more.
> >>
> >>   Good luck with your TEP process.  Blessings, Bud Weiss
> >>
> >>
> >>Sylvia Israel <sylvia at imaginecenter.net> wrote:
> >>   Dear Jacob and grouptalkers,
> >>I read Jacob's announcement of the wonderful series of workshops he is
> >>offering. He writes that they are:
> >>
> >> >personal growth and training workshops
> >> >
> >>In regard to the discussion we have been having about clients in
> >>training groups, I wonder if this is a personal growth workshop for
> >>trainees, for clients or for both? Our discussion has been very
> >>interesting to me, as I am the only psychodramatist in my area, and
> >>taking my TEP exam in a few weeks. So just wondering how they do this at
> >>the NYC Institute. I some times struggle with who to open one-day
> >>workshops to.
> >>
> >>Any comments--if you have anything new to add to the discussion, would
> >>be appreciated.
> >>Sylvia Israel
> >>
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