Fw: Re: Theoritical categories

[edwschreiber at earthlink.net]

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>From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>Sent: Oct 2, 2006 11:35 PM
>To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>Cc: amb1 at hughes.net
>Subject: Re: Theoritical categories
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>Building on what Adam has said, I fully agree.  I've read just about everything Dr. Moreno has written.  I've had a hundred or so
>exchanges with Zerka Moreno (through meetings, emails, calls, visits) about this.  And I think that Adam hit it perfectly.  Sociatry, the best of the appication (some best practices yet to be realized) to help healing of society rather than individual psyche (but how well they are related).
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>My work, 20 or so hours per week now, has been and continues to be to research some specific facets of Dr. Moreno's writings, and to extract from those writings structures - social/sociometric structures - that might (and I say now, just and only might) reflect a new phase of instruments (Morenian Technology as a colleague not in our field, but in business leadership development) calls it.
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>Adam Barcroft, my colleague here in Western MASS just yesterday informed me of an article Rory Remer wrote pointing us to all this.  The name of the journal escapes me as I write this - but it's a group psychotherapy journal, not ours.
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>My own work and interest is in bringing sociatric instruments out for them to be reivewed, refined, worked with by whomever might want to collaborate in the next few years.
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>For now, we are refining them through our work in the reorganiztion of the therapeutic curriculum at a therapeutic bording school for students and augmented with work with families.  We have combined two theories:  Prochaska's Stages of Change with Moreno.
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>I, along with the clinical director of the school, are presenting our findings in Miami the first week of November.
>
>Ed Schreiber, TEP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>>Sent: Oct 2, 2006 11:19 PM
>>To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net, list at grouptalkweb.org, k.kade at att.net
>>Subject: Re: Theoritical categories
>>
>>Hi Kaya, building on Ed's question about sociatry. Clear definition, but it doesn't fit 
>>what you said.
>>   Sociatry is the application of the best of psychiatric, group psychotherapeutic, 
>>regular psychotherapeutic, and of course his own sociometric and psychodramatic methods, 
>>suitably adapted, to help the healing of society rather than the psyche of individuals. It 
>>fits with his intuition that good tools transcend the clinical context and deserve to be 
>>applied in all contexts, at home, on the playground, at all levels of schooling, in 
>>marriages, churches, politics, and so forth. Promoting spontaneity in the way we set up 
>>systems is one common theme, for example.
>>
>>     move down to your message...
>>----- Original Message ----- From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net October 02, 2006
>>> My question is:  how do you understand and/or define sociatry?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: k.kade at att.net >Sent: Oct 2, 2006
>>>>To: list at grouptalkweb.org  Subject: Theoritical categories
>>    Hello there, I asked a question regarding what theoritical framework people think that 
>>Moreno should be included, Humanistic, Behavorial, Psychodynamic etc.  I got a few replies 
>>which I enjoyed and appreciated.  I would love feedback on this idea:
>>    A whole new sub group that would be called:  Role Theorists basing it on sociometry 
>>and sociatry and the resulting treatment modalities of psychodrama, sociodrama, and other 
>>action orientated models that have developed from this theortical basis.
>>           Adam: I don't get what you've just proposed:  This category, what kind of 
>>subgroup, of people, of theory?
>>     And as a name of a group it's so long, drawn out that it doesn't make sense.
>>           first of all, I know of almost no people who think of themselves or call 
>>themselves role theorists--at least as a group. I do, but it's a sub-sub role, and role 
>>theory as I see it is only very peripherally based on sociometry, not at all on sociatry--  
>>one is theory, the other is a spirit of practice...
>>          As Rory Remer notes in his most recent Journal article just out, there are 
>>several different subgroups of theory.
>>
>>>>What are people's initial response to this idea?    so my response, says Adam, is that I 
>>>>just don't get what you're aiming at. It seems you've jumbled too many things together. 
>>>>Try again.
>>
>>>>Do have ideas to include?  adam: always, but  for what purpose?  I try to target ideas 
>>>>for a context or purpose. (Have you read my 4th edition of Foundations of Psychodrama? 
>>>>Perhaps I answer parts of your questions there.
>>
>>           Wish I could help you more. Warmly, adam
>>>>
>>>>I will be presenting the different approaches this week and next to my class and I am 
>>>>seriously contemplating just adding it in as required a new theorist perspective that 
>>>>just happens to be not included in our books...yet.
>>>>
>>>>I appreciate what anyone has to say...Kaya
>>