List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 4S topic:societry
Linda Ciotola
vegmom at closecall.com
Tue Oct 3 17:33:35 CDT 2006
Interesting that in a training I did last week for staff at an addictions tx
center, I introduced Natalie Miller's placement of the Stages of Change into
Action( which she presented at the ASGPP).There is, of course, a role
training element here - e.g. the person "walking the wheel of change" takes
on the role of the "determined preparer", the "action-taker" and so on. Nice
marriage of the two. My thanks to Natalie for teaching this so well at the
conference. Linda Ciotola
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1. psychodrama thesis help (Adam Blatner)
2. PD and Panic Attacks (HV Psychodrama)
3. Theoritical categories (k.kade at att.net)
4. Re: Theoritical categories (edwschreiber at earthlink.net)
5. Re: PD and Panic Attacks (BARNETT WEISS)
6. Re: PD and Panic Attacks (HV Psychodrama)
7. Correction in Panic attack web site (BARNETT WEISS)
8. Re: [SPAM] Re: PD and Panic Attacks (W Randy McCommons)
9. Re: Theoritical categories (Adam Blatner)
10. Fw: Re: Theoritical categories (edwschreiber at earthlink.net)
11. AWP Conference (Sylvia Israel)
12. Psychodrama Open Sessions (HV Psychodrama)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:49:39 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: psychodrama thesis help
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If anyone can help this colleague in Turkey, please do so.
Other than referring him to Jim Sacks' bibliography, I don't know
how to do this. Warmly, ADam
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From: serefalgur
To: adam at blatner.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:19 AM
Subject: thesis
I am ?eref Algur.I study pscyhodrama in ?STANBUL PSCYHODRAMA INSTITUTE of
pscyhodrama.
now I am in the step of thesis.The subject of my thesis is;"The treatment of
pan?ck attack in pscyhodrama" Regarding this subject if you have any
writings or any written document,I will be
very pleased if you will send to me.Because in Turkey there is not any
studies.I tought that
you could have this. Best regards.
My address:KOCAS?NAN MERKEZ KIZ MESLEK L?SES? E
MAIL:serefalgur at mynet.com
PDR SERV?S? ?STASYON CAD. NO :26
KAYSER? TURKEY
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From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: PD and Panic Attacks
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Dear Seref,
If you Google psychodrama and the exact phrase" Panic disorder" you will
get all sorts of information about the use of psychodrama with folks who
suffer from panic attacks. You might also try the exact phrase "panic
attack" Good luck and let us know what you find,
Rebecca Walters,
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road New Paltz, NY 12561
(845) 255 7502 hvpi at hvc.rr.com
visit us at our website: www.hvpi.net
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:57:51 +0000
From: k.kade at att.net
Subject: Theoritical categories
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Hello there, I asked a question regarding what theoritical framework people
think that Moreno should be included, Humanistic, Behavorial, Psychodynamic
etc. I got a few replies which I enjoyed and appreciated. I would love
feed back on this idea:
A whole new sub group that would be called: Role Theorists basing it on
sociometry and sociatry and the resulting treatment modalities of
psychodrama, sociodrama, and other action orientated models that have
developed from this theortical basis.
What are people's initial response to this idea?
Do have ideas to include?
I will be presenting the different approaches this week and next to my class
and I am seriously contemplating just adding it in as required a new
theorist perspective that just happens to be not included in our
books...yet.
I appreciate what anyone has to say...Kaya
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
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My question is: how do you understand and/or define sociatry?
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>From: k.kade at att.net
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>To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>Subject: Theoritical categories
>
>Hello there, I asked a question regarding what theoritical framework people
think that Moreno should be included, Humanistic, Behavorial, Psychodynamic
etc. I got a few replies which I enjoyed and appreciated. I would love
feed back on this idea:
>
>A whole new sub group that would be called: Role Theorists basing it on
sociometry and sociatry and the resulting treatment modalities of
psychodrama, sociodrama, and other action orientated models that have
developed from this theortical basis.
>
>What are people's initial response to this idea?
>Do have ideas to include?
>
>I will be presenting the different approaches this week and next to my
class and I am seriously contemplating just adding it in as required a new
theorist perspective that just happens to be not included in our
books...yet.
>
>I appreciate what anyone has to say...Kaya
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: PD and Panic Attacks
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THe single most effective work with Panic attacks that I am aware of far
beyond anything I have experienced both in its elegance and staying power is
that of Dr. Ron Robbins who was the first person hired by Zerka and Dr. to
run the MOreno Institute in Beacon when They were thinking of retiring from
continuing the training themselves back in the 70s. Ron is an
internationally famous trainer for Bioenergetics and has developed his own
form of therapy out of his experience which he calls Rythmic Integration and
has published a book by that name. The APA is in the process of reviewing
Ron's protocal for the one session treatment of Panic attacks. The web site
where you can learn more about this is www.paniproject.com
As I say, It is quite an elegant protocal and I among others am working
together methodically with Ron in its use in other kinds of syndromes which
have similarities to pannic attacks. One in particular in which I have an
interest is stuttering.
Blessings all, Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Dear Seref,
If you Google psychodrama and the exact phrase" Panic disorder" you will
get all sorts of information about the use of psychodrama with folks who
suffer from panic attacks. You might also try the exact phrase "panic
attack" Good luck and let us know what you find,
Rebecca Walters,
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road New Paltz, NY 12561
(845) 255 7502 hvpi at hvc.rr.com
visit us at our website: www.hvpi.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:48:58 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: PD and Panic Attacks
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If anyone wants to get in tough with Ron he lives on Academy St in
Poughkeepsie, NY. Judy Swallow, Larry Winters and I trained in rhythmic
integration and bioenergetics with him and his wife, Gloria, who was part
of the original Playback Theater troupe with Jonathan Fox. Small world...
Rebecca Walters
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From: BARNETT WEISS
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: PD and Panic Attacks
THe single most effective work with Panic attacks that I am aware of far
beyond anything I have experienced both in its elegance and staying power is
that of Dr. Ron Robbins who was the first person hired by Zerka and Dr. to
run the MOreno Institute in Beacon when They were thinking of retiring from
continuing the training themselves back in the 70s. Ron is an
internationally famous trainer for Bioenergetics and has developed his own
form of therapy out of his experience which he calls Rythmic Integration and
has published a book by that name. The APA is in the process of reviewing
Ron's protocal for the one session treatment of Panic attacks. The web site
where you can learn more about this is www.paniproject.com
As I say, It is quite an elegant protocal and I among others am working
together methodically with Ron in its use in other kinds of syndromes which
have similarities to pannic attacks. One in particular in which I have an
interest is stuttering.
Blessings all, Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Dear Seref,
If you Google psychodrama and the exact phrase" Panic disorder" you
will get all sorts of information about the use of psychodrama with folks
who suffer from panic attacks. You might also try the exact phrase "panic
attack" Good luck and let us know what you find,
Rebecca Walters,
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road New Paltz, NY 12561
(845) 255 7502 hvpi at hvc.rr.com
visit us at our website: www.hvpi.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net>
Subject: Correction in Panic attack web site
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Sorry about that: it is www.panicproject.com I had left out the c in panic
Blessings all, Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote: If anyone wants to get in tough
with Ron he lives on Academy St in Poughkeepsie, NY. Judy Swallow, Larry
Winters and I trained in rhythmic integration and bioenergetics with him
and his wife, Gloria, who was part of the original Playback Theater troupe
with Jonathan Fox. Small world...
Rebecca Walters
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From: BARNETT WEISS
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: PD and Panic Attacks
THe single most effective work with Panic attacks that I am aware of far
beyond anything I have experienced both in its elegance and staying power is
that of Dr. Ron Robbins who was the first person hired by Zerka and Dr. to
run the MOreno Institute in Beacon when They were thinking of retiring from
continuing the training themselves back in the 70s. Ron is an
internationally famous trainer for Bioenergetics and has developed his own
form of therapy out of his experience which he calls Rythmic Integration and
has published a book by that name. The APA is in the process of reviewing
Ron's protocal for the one session treatment of Panic attacks. The web site
where you can learn more about this is www.paniproject.com
As I say, It is quite an elegant protocal and I among others am working
together methodically with Ron in its use in other kinds of syndromes which
have similarities to pannic attacks. One in particular in which I have an
interest is stuttering.
Blessings all, Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Dear Seref,
If you Google psychodrama and the exact phrase" Panic disorder" you will
get all sorts of information about the use of psychodrama with folks who
suffer from panic attacks. You might also try the exact phrase "panic
attack" Good luck and let us know what you find,
Rebecca Walters,
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road New Paltz, NY 12561
(845) 255 7502 hvpi at hvc.rr.com
visit us at our website: www.hvpi.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:57:43 -0700
From: "W Randy McCommons" <Dramatx at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: PD and Panic Attacks
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Dear Bud, The web site you refer to doesn't seem to be correctly addressed.
Is it correctly typed? Randy Mc RDT/BCT
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: PD and Panic Attacks
THe single most effective work with Panic attacks that I am aware of far
beyond anything I have experienced both in its elegance and staying power is
that of Dr. Ron Robbins who was the first person hired by Zerka and Dr. to
run the MOreno Institute in Beacon when They were thinking of retiring from
continuing the training themselves back in the 70s. Ron is an
internationally famous trainer for Bioenergetics and has developed his own
form of therapy out of his experience which he calls Rythmic Integration and
has published a book by that name. The APA is in the process of reviewing
Ron's protocal for the one session treatment of Panic attacks. The web site
where you can learn more about this is www.paniproject.com
As I say, It is quite an elegant protocal and I among others am working
together methodically with Ron in its use in other kinds of syndromes which
have similarities to pannic attacks. One in particular in which I have an
interest is stuttering.
Blessings all, Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
Dear Seref,
If you Google psychodrama and the exact phrase" Panic disorder" you
will get all sorts of information about the use of psychodrama with folks
who suffer from panic attacks. You might also try the exact phrase "panic
attack" Good luck and let us know what you find,
Rebecca Walters,
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road New Paltz, NY 12561
(845) 255 7502 hvpi at hvc.rr.com
visit us at our website: www.hvpi.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:19:26 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: Theoritical categories
To: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>,
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Hi Kaya, building on Ed's question about sociatry. Clear definition, but it
doesn't fit
what you said.
Sociatry is the application of the best of psychiatric, group
psychotherapeutic,
regular psychotherapeutic, and of course his own sociometric and
psychodramatic methods,
suitably adapted, to help the healing of society rather than the psyche of
individuals. It
fits with his intuition that good tools transcend the clinical context and
deserve to be
applied in all contexts, at home, on the playground, at all levels of
schooling, in
marriages, churches, politics, and so forth. Promoting spontaneity in the
way we set up
systems is one common theme, for example.
move down to your message...
----- Original Message ----- From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net October 02,
2006
> My question is: how do you understand and/or define sociatry?
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: k.kade at att.net >Sent: Oct 2, 2006
>>To: list at grouptalkweb.org Subject: Theoritical categories
Hello there, I asked a question regarding what theoritical framework
people think that
Moreno should be included, Humanistic, Behavorial, Psychodynamic etc. I got
a few replies
which I enjoyed and appreciated. I would love feedback on this idea:
A whole new sub group that would be called: Role Theorists basing it on
sociometry
and sociatry and the resulting treatment modalities of psychodrama,
sociodrama, and other
action orientated models that have developed from this theortical basis.
Adam: I don't get what you've just proposed: This category, what
kind of
subgroup, of people, of theory?
And as a name of a group it's so long, drawn out that it doesn't make
sense.
first of all, I know of almost no people who think of themselves
or call
themselves role theorists--at least as a group. I do, but it's a sub-sub
role, and role
theory as I see it is only very peripherally based on sociometry, not at all
on sociatry--
one is theory, the other is a spirit of practice...
As Rory Remer notes in his most recent Journal article just out,
there are
several different subgroups of theory.
>>What are people's initial response to this idea? so my response, says
Adam, is that I
>>just don't get what you're aiming at. It seems you've jumbled too many
things together.
>>Try again.
>>Do have ideas to include? adam: always, but for what purpose? I try to
target ideas
>>for a context or purpose. (Have you read my 4th edition of Foundations of
Psychodrama?
>>Perhaps I answer parts of your questions there.
Wish I could help you more. Warmly, adam
>>
>>I will be presenting the different approaches this week and next to my
class and I am
>>seriously contemplating just adding it in as required a new theorist
perspective that
>>just happens to be not included in our books...yet.
>>
>>I appreciate what anyone has to say...Kaya
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:36:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
Subject: Fw: Re: Theoritical categories
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
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>From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>Sent: Oct 2, 2006 11:35 PM
>To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>Cc: amb1 at hughes.net
>Subject: Re: Theoritical categories
>
>Building on what Adam has said, I fully agree. I've read just about
everything Dr. Moreno has written. I've had a hundred or so
>exchanges with Zerka Moreno (through meetings, emails, calls, visits) about
this. And I think that Adam hit it perfectly. Sociatry, the best of the
appication (some best practices yet to be realized) to help healing of
society rather than individual psyche (but how well they are related).
>
>My work, 20 or so hours per week now, has been and continues to be to
research some specific facets of Dr. Moreno's writings, and to extract from
those writings structures - social/sociometric structures - that might (and
I say now, just and only might) reflect a new phase of instruments (Morenian
Technology as a colleague not in our field, but in business leadership
development) calls it.
>
>Adam Barcroft, my colleague here in Western MASS just yesterday informed me
of an article Rory Remer wrote pointing us to all this. The name of the
journal escapes me as I write this - but it's a group psychotherapy journal,
not ours.
>
>My own work and interest is in bringing sociatric instruments out for them
to be reivewed, refined, worked with by whomever might want to collaborate
in the next few years.
>
>For now, we are refining them through our work in the reorganiztion of the
therapeutic curriculum at a therapeutic bording school for students and
augmented with work with families. We have combined two theories:
Prochaska's Stages of Change with Moreno.
>
>I, along with the clinical director of the school, are presenting our
findings in Miami the first week of November.
>
>Ed Schreiber, TEP
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>>Sent: Oct 2, 2006 11:19 PM
>>To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net, list at grouptalkweb.org, k.kade at att.net
>>Subject: Re: Theoritical categories
>>
>>Hi Kaya, building on Ed's question about sociatry. Clear definition, but
it doesn't fit
>>what you said.
>> Sociatry is the application of the best of psychiatric, group
psychotherapeutic,
>>regular psychotherapeutic, and of course his own sociometric and
psychodramatic methods,
>>suitably adapted, to help the healing of society rather than the psyche of
individuals. It
>>fits with his intuition that good tools transcend the clinical context and
deserve to be
>>applied in all contexts, at home, on the playground, at all levels of
schooling, in
>>marriages, churches, politics, and so forth. Promoting spontaneity in the
way we set up
>>systems is one common theme, for example.
>>
>> move down to your message...
>>----- Original Message ----- From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net October 02,
2006
>>> My question is: how do you understand and/or define sociatry?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: k.kade at att.net >Sent: Oct 2, 2006
>>>>To: list at grouptalkweb.org Subject: Theoritical categories
>> Hello there, I asked a question regarding what theoritical framework
people think that
>>Moreno should be included, Humanistic, Behavorial, Psychodynamic etc. I
got a few replies
>>which I enjoyed and appreciated. I would love feedback on this idea:
>> A whole new sub group that would be called: Role Theorists basing it
on sociometry
>>and sociatry and the resulting treatment modalities of psychodrama,
sociodrama, and other
>>action orientated models that have developed from this theortical basis.
>> Adam: I don't get what you've just proposed: This category,
what kind of
>>subgroup, of people, of theory?
>> And as a name of a group it's so long, drawn out that it doesn't make
sense.
>> first of all, I know of almost no people who think of
themselves or call
>>themselves role theorists--at least as a group. I do, but it's a sub-sub
role, and role
>>theory as I see it is only very peripherally based on sociometry, not at
all on sociatry--
>>one is theory, the other is a spirit of practice...
>> As Rory Remer notes in his most recent Journal article just out,
there are
>>several different subgroups of theory.
>>
>>>>What are people's initial response to this idea? so my response, says
Adam, is that I
>>>>just don't get what you're aiming at. It seems you've jumbled too many
things together.
>>>>Try again.
>>
>>>>Do have ideas to include? adam: always, but for what purpose? I try
to target ideas
>>>>for a context or purpose. (Have you read my 4th edition of Foundations
of Psychodrama?
>>>>Perhaps I answer parts of your questions there.
>>
>> Wish I could help you more. Warmly, adam
>>>>
>>>>I will be presenting the different approaches this week and next to my
class and I am
>>>>seriously contemplating just adding it in as required a new theorist
perspective that
>>>>just happens to be not included in our books...yet.
>>>>
>>>>I appreciate what anyone has to say...Kaya
>>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:08:26 -0700
From: Sylvia Israel <sylvia at imaginecenter.net>
Subject: AWP Conference
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The Association for Women in Psychology is having their conference in
San Francisco March 8-11, 2007. Call for proposals though October 17,
2006. www.awpsf.org. I will be submitting a proposal and would love to
have another psychodramatist.
Sylvia Israel
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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:59:00 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Psychodrama Open Sessions
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The Hudson Valley Chapter of the American Society of Group Psychotherapy
and Psychodrama
Evenings of Psychodrama
Open sessions will be presented on
the third Friday of each month at 7:30 PM
at Boughton Place on Kisor Road in Highland, NY (3 miles from the New
Paltz exit on the NYS Thruway)
Open Sessions: Open sessions are two to two and a half hour psychodrama
sessions offered by certified psychodramatists to the general public. You
may participate as little or as much as you want.
Upcoming Open Sessions
all sessions begin at 7:30 p.m.
Nov 17, 2006
December 15, 2006
January 19, 2007
February 16, 2007
and will continue through June
Each session is directed by a certified psychodramatist.
Highland Location: Boughton Place. home of the original Moreno Psychodrama
Theater, is on Kisor Rd in Highland, NY. Kisor Rd is on the south side of
RT. 299, halfway between RT. 9W in Highland and the Thruway exit in New
Paltz. Contribution: $6 ($4 for students and seniors)
In case of questionable weather or for more information please call:
(845) 255-7502
You can get more informaton at www.hvpi.net or send us your email address
and we will keep you updated.
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