List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 new name=Tom: what about grouptalk mailing list ? Anne(France)
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Thu Sep 7 18:16:01 CDT 2006
Re: List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 8 new name=Tom: what about grouptalk
mailing list ? Anne(France)
Tom = what about grouptalk mailing list ? Anne(France)
Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Paris et ailleurs)
Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
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Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Anne.Schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
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Le 7 sept. 06 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
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2. Re: new name (PATRICIA DESERT)
3. Re: new name (Adam Blatner)
4. Re: new name (Connie Miller)
6. Re: new name (T.Treadwell)
(...)from Adam (Blatner)
would make a list of their most trying group members.
We must also remember that the desire to graduate, to be seen as
being good as the group leader, to be a trainer, is a common desire of
people whether or not they have the talent, ability, experience,
maturity,
or other role requirements for the job. To accede to such desires is
only
one step away from letting any teenager do brain surgery without
having to
go to medical school, much less residency.
So, yes, trainees who have more than the mildest of problems
should indeed have as their primary therapist someone who is out of the
stream of their own vocational guidance, someone who can confront their
manipulations, and someone to whom they don't have to hide those
manipulations. They also need someone outside the group to whom they can
complain about the group leader. (This observation is a variation on the
saying, "No man is a hero to his wife's psychotherapist.")
So it's not the "rules," that are the problem, but the actual
principles that acknowledge the reality that transferential problems
will
emerge, they are common, and they are made almost impossible to
address if
the group has any other agenda than the commitment to explore the
interactions themselves, with a view to clearing up blocks and blind
spots.
A secondary hope to be appreciated, admired, respected, to prove
competence, to gain final approval for vocational advancement, is a
significant dual relationship. Add the financial element: What is the
group
member paying for, therapy or training? This further muddies the water.
Well, sorry, but I want to indicate to the group members that the
more conservative practitioners aren't just defending their guild
status,
but trying to address actual complexities in dual relationships.
I'm open to your thoughts. Warmly, Adam Blatner
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Dear Peter, Connie, and group.
Peter, your open-hearted attitude is commendable, but I
wonder if you have considered the potential for less-than-worthy
motivations. There are people who want the status of professionalism,
but
are yet unwilling to take on the full responsibility for self-management
that this implies. What I'm referring to is the role of "patient" or
"client," in which the therapist has a more non-judgmental attitude of
"I'll try to help you at the level that you are functioning." Some of
these
levels can be quite immature, entitled, un-self-modulated, dependent,
passive-aggressive, and so forth.
Many people are not willing to live up to
the simplest requirements of being responsible enough to pay
regularly and
in good faith, to show up regularly and on time, of refusing to be civil
under the excuse of victimhood or the right to emotional expressiveness,
and so forth.
To move to a training group is a kind of graduation into a
recognition by peers and group leader that one has moved into a full
process of taking charge of one's life.
Not all issues are resolved--I quite agree with Peter about this-
- but there has been a graduation of sorts that is the equivalent
of finishing therapy in the sick or dysfunctional role.
The problem is tricky, and it is a dual role-- clients wish
for unconditional regard, but this term is misleading.
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Tom,
How about
Grouptalk mailing list
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:53:27 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: new name To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
I vote for grouptalk website simple, familiar, less "cute"
but I might change my mind if I encounter a more attractive
alternative... warmly adam
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-- Original Message --- From: Connie Miller
To: list at grouptalkweb.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: new name
Tom,
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