Mindfull awareness - in the here and now training...
Manuela Maciel
manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt
Tue Sep 12 12:10:27 CDT 2006
Dear Patti
Thank you very much for your kind reply. It was most helpful. I am also
very fond of EMDR for some specific situation, particularly PTSD and
Phobias. It is amazing the reffectivenes of the results. I was curious
about this method that you refre also inspired in Peter Levine method.
The only book that I have from Levine is teh "awakening of the tiger"?
(translated in portuguese). Would you advise it? i haven`t read it yet...
This reminds me that I have a new patient that was kidnapped for 2 days
and has some severe anxiety symptoms. Anyone has any experience on how
to deal with theses situations, with Psychodrama or other methods?
Thank you again.
Manuela
PATRICIA DESERT wrote:
> Dear Manuela--Peter Levine's somatic healing perspective and methods
> have been a guide for me. You can find his books on the
> internet. Yes, I actually sit with my clients as they move into a
> mindful space. I do not move into that space also however. The
> objective is for clients who are experiencing painful affect to sit
> quietly and simply notice that in their bodies. I need to be watching
> for somatic cues that an intervention is required. For those who have
> the ego strength we might spend most of the session with the
> client quietly sitting and observing h/her inner process with me
> coaching h/her to just notice. My direction "just notice" becomes
> like a mantra. My clients report a range of healing effects including
> deactivation of painful emotional and physical states, clearer
> thinking, greater sense of good will towards self, increase sense of
> optimism, etc.
>
> I work primarily with clients diagnosed with BPD, DID, complex PTSD,
> and related symptomology. As we know a symptom of these populations
> includes a highly dysregulated affective system. Therefore,
> stabilization is part of the preparation for those that need it prior
> to trauma processing. Just recently at the EMDR conference in
> Philadelphia I learned a wonderful protocol that utilizes Peter
> Levine's strategy of "pendulation." Here's the shortened version.
>
> I first help them develop positive images that stimulate positive
> physical feelings. Bilateral Eye Movements are then instituted for a
> short period. Then I have them call up the distressing image they came
> into session with or want to work on. I have them sit "mindfully"
> without judgment or criticism as they observe how their mind/body
> responds to the painful image. As soon as the pain becomes
> intolerable I do an intervention by having them shift back to
> mindfully focusing on the positive image and feelings. Again I
> institue Bilateral Eye Movements. This stimulates similar neural
> networks in the brain and the result is that a cascade of positive
> images, thoughts, beliefs, feelings emerge. After calmness is
> attained they then shift back to the painful image/feelings.
>
> Through this pendulating process between positive and painful
> affect clients experience a decrease in fear of powerful feelings, a
> newfound sense of personal empowerment, a resource to use to maintain
> a dual focus when accessing trauma, and an ability to effectively
> process trauma material.
>
> Hope this answers your questions. I enjoy reading your grouptalk
> comments and I hope to see you again at one of the international
> conferences. Warmly, Patti
>
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Manuela Maciel <mailto:manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt>
> *To:* list at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 08, 2006 8:05 AM
> *Subject:* Mindfull awareness - in the here and now training...
>
> Dear Patti
>
> I was very interested in the mindful awareness practices that you do
> with your clients since I am also using mindfull and other meditation
> practices in my therapy groups but not yet much at the one-to-one
> appointments.. Do you actually seat down and meditate with them?
> Does it
> work? What kind of effects do you notice? And to which kind of
> patients
> do you use it more?
> Warmly
> Manuela
>
>
> PATRICIA DESERT wrote:
>
> >Dear Bud--I have experienced this role lock over and over again
> with clients
> >stuck in their negative self perceptions. And one of the most
> powerful
> >practices I have taught my clients and use as the foundation of
> my work is
> >mindful awareness. I feel the powerful and loving presence of a
> universal
> >energy when I sit with clients and see the healing that comes
> when they can
> >sit quietly and mindfully connect with self, noticing everything
> that comes
> >up without judgement or criticism. This I believe is connecting
> in a deeply
> >spiritual level with self and when my clients, including those
> diagnosed
> >with BPD!, can do this the most remarkable calmness, peace, and
> problem
> >solving capabilities emerge. I erupt in goose bumps each time
> this happens.
> >
> >And I too wish when my children were growing up that I knew about
> the
> >soulful expanding experiences you describe. Prechtel's program
> is new to me
> >and I plan to find out more about it to pass on to my colleagues
> who work
> >with adolescent and teen addicts struggling to find their way.
> Thanks.
> >Patti
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net
> <mailto:budweiss at verizon.net>>
> >>Reply-To: list at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >>To: list at grouptalkweb.org <mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >>Subject: Re: client or trainee
> >>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>Yes Yes and Yes again I say YES !!
> >>
> >> Educational models along the lines of mentoring when you
> really look at
> >>it.
> >>
> >> Mentoring in terms of expanding the role capabilities of all
> who come to
> >>learn. Understanding and reworking poorly formed roles that keep
> people
> >>stuck in certain situations and expanding their capability in so
> many
> >>others.
> >>
> >> We live in societies where much of the most profound aspects
> of who we
> >>are have been crushed leaving a great vacuum within even in the
> most devout
> >>religious communities, the conserves have taken over, memorized
> and obeyed
> >>with so little relatonship to what indigenous people have known
> for milenia
> >>in terms of spirituality. This serves the ethic of scarcity as
> a basis
> >>for all we operate within. The most powerful and wealthy must
> maintain
> >>that sense of scarcity and fear so that they can remain in
> charge of the
> >>wealth they have gathered. To that end, nearly all education is
> presently
> >>bent while the soul is left out of the classroom. That soul or
> true time
> >>tested indigenous spirituality is the source of abundance. So
> many seek it
> >>with mentors who have not been adequately mentored themselves
> and have
> >>agendas that continue to serve the sense of scarcity.
> >>
> >> One of the wonderful programs that I only wish I had known
> about when my
> >>children were younger is that begun by the great Guatamalan
> trained shaman
> >>Martin Prechtel
> >>http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAspectarian/1997/October/1097-06.html
> >> In the process begun by him which is now carried on by groups
> trained by
> >>him, a group of nearly 10 adolescent or older up to nearly 30
> years of age
> >>boys/young men one year and 10 girls/young women the next are
> given one
> >>hundred tasks to perform prior to thier being formally graduated as
> >>initiates. These tasks require mentors who the committee that
> supports
> >>them assists in finding. THe tasks are all about building a more
> profound
> >>relationship with Nature and their spiritual development as well as
> >>performing service tasks in the community. At the end of the
> year, well
> >>over 100 persons gather to honor the inititates at a beautiful
> ceremony. At
> >>that time, everyone who comes to the initiation is asked to present
> >>themselves in front of the initiates who will offer the
> supporters some
> >>insight into the supporters life and purpose and anything that
> occurs to
> >>the initiates that may assist the supporter in maintaining their
> life's
> >>purpose. It is overwhelming to say the least for
> >> everyone and as spiritually renewing as anything I have ever
> known. Those
> >>I know who participate in this process as supporters are some of
> the most
> >>wonderful, deeply spiritual, resourceful and dependable people I
> know.
> >>
> >> This is in fact the direction of my life and all of the
> methods and
> >>techniques that I have gathered during my 67 years. All are
> pointed toward
> >>supporting more of this kind of thing happening for more young
> and older
> >>people. My work in creating the Dagara Village up state New York
> under the
> >>tutelage of Malidoma Some is about that. As well, my association
> with the
> >>Plant Spirit Medicine work of Eliot Cowan whose shamanic
> training comes
> >>through the Huichol People as well as Prechtel's work and those
> of other
> >>Indigenous people of the land we call the Americas are other
> models with
> >>which I am working. I often laugh at the fact that we call this
> land the
> >>Americas named after a ne'er do well drunkard and womanizer
> whose false
> >>perverse fantasies about this land were used to sell the
> newspapers of his
> >>times, and so the land was named after him. A cruel joke
> untaught in our
> >>schools and a perfect example coming out of the scarcity model
> of life
> >>about which I write here.
> >>
> >> Milton H. Erickson, MD, another mentor of mine, was also
> quite enamored
> >>with these types of indigenous cultures and supported them more
> than people
> >>suspect. It is highly probable that Erickson was in fact the
> model for Don
> >>Juan in Casteneda's work as Casteneda spent a great deal of time
> working
> >>with Erickson before and after he began to write his powerful
> pieces.
> >>
> >> Indigenous people are not interested in categorizing people
> and in fact
> >>rebel against it as an insult to the spiritual ground that is
> essential to
> >>their way of life. Rather they are seeing what the individuals
> gifts are
> >>and working to have those gifts be available to the people. The
> Shamanic
> >>work is greatly occupied with dealing with the blocks that
> prevent the
> >>access to those gifts and the polution of the spirit consequent
> to the
> >>abandonment of their ancient rights and traditions or the
> violation of
> >>contracts clearly spoken either in this life or another and
> subsequently
> >>forgotten.
> >>
> >> Blessings all, Bud
> >>
> >>
> >>Peter Howie <peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au
> <mailto:peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au>> wrote:
> >> Dear Adam,
> >>
> >>Sorry Adam but I can't help myself.
> >>
> >>"So there's a cultural lag-- a need to recognize this sub-field,
> but still
> >>the main field of psychodrama is based on the conventional model of
> >>psychotherapy-- and training certification is also geared to
> this, albeit
> >>loosely. "
> >>
> >>I came across this quote as I was perusing some early ANZPA thesis.
> >>
> >>"I have always tried to show that my approach was meant as much
> more than a
> >>psychotherapeutic method--my ideas have emphasized that
> creativity and
> >>spontaneity affect the very roots of vitality and spiritual
> development,
> >>and thus affect our involvements in every sphere of our lives.
> Furthermore,
> >>I have always wanted to have people attend to the processes of
> health, as
> >>well as to the problems of illness; thus I am glad that Dr
> Blatenr has
> >>noted the applications of psychodrama in the home, school and
> world of
> >>business" J L Moreno, M.D., 1973 in Forward to "Acting In" by
> Adam Blatner.
> >>
> >>Part of our discussion involves, at an underlying level, how the
> conserves
> >>of the psychotherapeutic communities/world (Psychology,
> Psychoiatry,
> >>Counselling etc) have dominated some of this discussion. It may
> not be so
> >>much about the dilemmas that arise from boundary issues with
> >>clients/patients/trainees but more about how this work is
> conceptualised.
> >>Personally and professionally I think viewing most of our work
> as that of
> >>education or adult education works for me. Deep learning is deep
> therapy.
> >>Still working on this idea.
> >>
> >>Cheers
> >>
> >>Peter Howie
> >>Brisbanew, Australia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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