side issue

Fri Sep 29 16:42:31 CDT 2006

I like the Open session, especially as a way for people closed out of other 
workshops to have a place to come and participate in a worthwhile experience 
of psychodrama, or role training or sociodrama, however the leader frames 
the session they run.  I like the idea of having an encounter possibility in 
NY this coming April as the topic is on peace.
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From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: side issue


>
> Hi Bud,
>
>       I have been following your discussion with much interest. As a side
> issue: during the years when  I was directing   sessions open sessions  to
> the public at the Moreno institute in New York City, anyone could buy a
> ticket, however  after filling out  a  form releasing  Moreno Institute 
> from
> any responsibility for their welfare, These would be collected and  send
> back  to Beacon .
>
> Usually it was a non event.  On occasion this requirement would elicitate
> lots of questioning.  When lots of combatitive questions,or anxiety 
> twinged
> questions re the form and/or the method would arise, I'd engage in a
> dialoque,encouraging  this person's  participation or gently  advising the
> person to  err on the side of caution.
> Because the City in the seventies was a rather  dangerous place -this
> requirement made me feel protected and protective of the participants,even
> if the form was not really legally binding. Those who chose to participate
> -were made aware of their responsibilities.
>
> I have been recently thinking of a need for a place where people could 
> come
> to have a psychodrama  experience.    Count me in!
>
> Q:What do readers of the list think of ressurrecting the tradition of 
> open
> sessions during asgpp annual meetings? Both as a way to demonstrate the
> method,and also as a  forum for working out stressful issues  generated by
> the participation in the convention (after signing a release form?)
> Does anyone know why these were discontinued?
>
> wamly,
>
>     anath garber,nyc
>>From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>>To: sylvia at imaginecenter.net, list at grouptalkweb.org
>>Subject: Re: clients in training workshops
>>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Dear Sylvia:
>>   I am not at all sure what the position of the examining group is in
>>regard to the questions you pose. In a previous post, I stated my opinions
>>regarding someone in a therapy group moving to a training group and saw no
>>problem with this relying on my clinical judgment as to the 
>>appropriateness
>>of such a move for each specific individual.
>>   I would like to address your last question about the appropriateness of
>>participants in a one day workshop.
>>   There are many approaches all the way from 1) having people sign a
>>specific statement of acknowledgment about the possible intensity of the
>>workshop and their willingness to participate in it and hold no one there
>>either the director of other participants liable for any significant upset
>>that the signing participant may experience; and 2) no requirement at all
>>open to anyone who comes signs up or comes in the door.  While the former
>>is not actually legally binding, it does allow the participant to make a
>>decision up front.
>>
>>   Upon meeting the people in the workshop, you may find that one of the
>>participants is quite unstable to the extent that you feel they will not
>>adequately benefit from the workshop and will to a large extent occupy too
>>much of the energies of the group as well as your own resources to be 
>>dealt
>>with in so short a time. With your clinical skills, you can then invite
>>them to come to see you privately to pursue this if they wish and ask them
>>to leave for the present time and refund their monies. Or you can move
>>ahead and use their situation as a teaching moment. I have in fact done
>>this in the past with no particular difficulties encountered.
>>
>>   In the days when I was a director of the open sessions at the Moreno
>>Psychodrama Stage in New York City, anyone who walked in was accepted. 
>>They
>>bought their ticket and entered.  There were numerous very heavy duty
>>situations including one where an audience member who was a returning
>>depressed Vietnam Veteran began to have flashbacks and saw me as his
>>sargent and came forward saying that he was going to kill me as he felt
>>that I was responsible for the deaths of his buddies and for all the pain
>>that he was suffering. That was quite a night which ended with his weeping
>>in my arms as we got to the bottom of it all with the  help of my wife of
>>that time who is one of the finest auxiliaries I have ever witnessed,
>>Bonnie Weiss, and several people who had become regulars at my sessions
>>assisting as fine auxiliaries themselves.
>>
>>   My inclination now is to use some form that people will fill out and
>>sign prior to participating in any extended day long training or workshop.
>>I want people to warm up even prior to arriving or at the very least prior
>>to the workshop beginning as they sign in. Such a form serves to begin 
>>that
>>process quite well.
>>
>>   I would love to begin somewhere having open sessions again where anyone
>>can come in regardless of what they bring. Often therapists would send
>>their clients to my sessions as well as the other directors to work on
>>something in particular that they had been addressing in their therapy. 
>>The
>>therapist thought, and rightly so,  that a session might help their client
>>to resolve the issue to the extent that their therapy could move on to the
>>next stage so to speak.  I am looking into making such sessions available
>>in a couple of places in New York City as well as up state where I am
>>nearly every week now with my work with Dr. Malidoma Some and the village
>>that I have been involved in creating there.
>>
>>   Going to make a presentation at a meeting or convention or hospital is
>>different as those presentations are usually not meant to go into great
>>depth and of course they  may end in doing so none the less. However, 
>>these
>>are demonstrations usually lasting no more than a couple of hours at best
>>and are meant in my estimation to open the door for people to come back 
>>for
>>more.
>>
>>   Good luck with your TEP process.  Blessings, Bud Weiss
>>
>>
>>Sylvia Israel <sylvia at imaginecenter.net> wrote:
>>   Dear Jacob and grouptalkers,
>>I read Jacob's announcement of the wonderful series of workshops he is
>>offering. He writes that they are:
>>
>> >personal growth and training workshops
>> >
>>In regard to the discussion we have been having about clients in
>>training groups, I wonder if this is a personal growth workshop for
>>trainees, for clients or for both? Our discussion has been very
>>interesting to me, as I am the only psychodramatist in my area, and
>>taking my TEP exam in a few weeks. So just wondering how they do this at
>>the NYC Institute. I some times struggle with who to open one-day
>>workshops to.
>>
>>Any comments--if you have anything new to add to the discussion, would
>>be appreciated.
>>Sylvia Israel
>>
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