iraqi-influence

[T.Treadwell]

You are correct Adam - the soicogram had NO content associated with it - 
simple a 'chart'-- apparently - one had to draw on his/her own 
conclusions.  Although it is a sociogram - it doesn't tell viewer very 
much.

tt

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Adam Blatner wrote:

>> From what I can discern, this "sociogram" is based on second-level inferences... I'm not
> sure exactly what the criterion is. It raises an interesting point, aside from its
> contents:
>      If we were to chart the influences of various people on key players in a system,
> say, the twenty or so "leaders" in Western Philosophy in the 18th century, especially
> trying to discern from papers? citations in publications, allusions in their writings...
>       But then, to assess influences, we might need to include a range of people from
> other eras who were not, in turn, influenced by main players in the system. For example,
> several people would note the work of Spinoza, who wrote in a previous century, but
> Spinoza, in turn, wouldn't (of course) have been influenced by people who wrote decades or
> even a century after he died.
>         The idea of assessing influences, though, is intriguing.
>
>       In the New Republic diagram, was the influenced inferred by a mixture of reports
> from interrogations of suspects, insurgents; and also announcements in the news, articles,
> etc?
>
>        Were any of these folks more scholar-writers, such as the role of Thomas Paine in
> the American Revolution, or were they others who certain people feel are carrying the
> cause and seem most congenial?
>        So much depends on how the military war college created this map.
>
>      Influence is awkward, as a criterion: Who has influenced you? Often it is mixed:  A
> influenced me 3+ regarding this, but I felt he was wrong about that---indeed, very wrong!
> It's hard to say how much B influenced me---how do you quantify it? I grant some
> influence, but how much? I took from C three good ideas for my own complex of a hundred
> ideas---so I acknowledge some influence; however, I didn't like C. As for D, I admire him
> so much! In certain undefinable ways I'd like to be like him, but in a number of
> ways---history, activities, career, etc., I cannot and really don't care. It's hard to say
> in what specific way he influenced me, but I feel something, maybe not that much, but real
> and significant...." And so forth. The variations are extensive.
>
>      Thoughts?  Warmly, Adam
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Treadwell" <ttreadwe at mail.med.upenn.edu>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:43 PM
> Subject: Losing the war of ideas....Sociogram
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>> The list has been looking for this sociogram that appeared in The New
>> Republic, April 2,2007 - P. 17/  I saved it and am passing it on to grouptalk
>> members.  The sociogram is interesting - yet it will take some figuring out.
>>
>> tom
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