article Sociatry and the ENcouter

[Adam Blatner]

wow, great anecdote, Jorge.---adam
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Dear Ron,

a great comment and an important in-sight - thank you very much.

I like to add only one small vignette to illustrate what you have said. 
When I attented the Jerusalem PD conference in 1996 I met an israeli 
writer at one of the encounter groups and we were talking about national 
shame and national pride. Me born in Germany and he born in Israel were 
talking in a very close, intimate way about the Holocaust and how it had 
changed all our live. We did not look each other in the eyes although we 
were so near. At the end of the group we stood up to say good bye. He 
did not look at my eyes aagain s I was looking at him. I asked: please 
look into my eyes. He began to move his head, looked in my eyes and both 
of us started to cry. Then he said to me: it is so amazing. You just 
said the same words my son is always telling me: please look into my 
eyes because I never do. Now it has happened for the first time that I 
could do so with my heart and without feeling the shame." We both 
embraced eachother because I felt not only even much more shame but also 
humanity as a gift.

All the best

Jorge



BARNETT WEISS schrieb:
> A meeting of two: eye to eye, face to face
> And when you are near
> I will tear out your eyes
> And place them in place of mine
> And you will tear my eyes out
> And place them instead of yours
> Then I will look at you with my eyes
> And you will look at me with mine
>
> */Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>
>     Ron,
>     Great comment - much appreciate your contribution - Adam's - all
>     of ours, together.
>     Ed
>     On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Ronald Anderson wrote:
>
>>     I feel a need to say something to the discussion of sociatry,
>>     since I am conducting a training weekend on the relationship
>>     between Moreno and Hellinger (Constellation Work)
>>      
>>     Here the two men are practically on the same page.   For a
>>     second, may I simplify our
>>     man, Moreno, by saying that his goal was that ultimately all men
>>     would come together
>>     into a working relationship once they took time to understand
>>     where each other was coming from, the ultimate role reversal with
>>     everyone else in the world, not to agree with each other, but in
>>     mutual respect for each other's position.
>>      
>>     Hellinger came to the same place through his experiential
>>     experimentations in Germany
>>     in the 80's, working with the survivors and descendents of the
>>     Hollocaust, together with
>>     the perpetuators, the Nazis.   I played in one of these dramas,
>>     as a Nazi who had given
>>     the orders for the extermination.   I turned away from the bodies
>>     that lay around me, and
>>     looked up, with my chin in the air, rationalizations coming to me
>>     right and left.   Then the
>>     facilitator asked me to look at them.   I had a hard time doing
>>     that, but the facilitator kept after me to look.   After what
>>     seemed like 10 minutes, my body shook, and finally I yelled out a
>>     piercing scream, my own body collapsed, and I lay next to one of
>>     my victims.   Still the facilitator made me turn my head and look
>>     at one of my victims, who turned automatically and looked back at
>>     me.   With that look, I felt the common humanity, and
>>     understood.  I had finally came to a peace inside.   Every time
>>     Hellinger made the victims and their perpetrators look at each
>>     other, */SEE each other, /*the result was the same as
>>     Moreno's goal of universal role reversal, where we could also see
>>     each other's humanity, proven now by the experiential method itself
>>      
>>     Ron Anderson.