VS: article Sociatry
James Sacks
jmsacks at mindspring.com
Tue Apr 24 19:48:07 CDT 2007
Dear Jarmo,
This book was published in 1951 by Beacon House
which was Moreno's own publishing house.The
publishing company has closed but the remaining
stock of them was taken over by Dr. Donnell
Miller who can be reached at:
Beacon Reminders Psychodramas
1610 Helena Lane
Relands, CA 92373
Tel: 909-798-2765
I think he is not on email.
Sincerely,
Jim
>Does anyone know, how I could get the book "Sociometry, Experimental Method
>and the Science of Society" or a copy of it. I tried to buy it trough
>Amazon.com, but it didn't work out.
>
>Cheers,
>Jarmo Manner
>Finland
>
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>[mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] Puolesta Edward Schreiber
>Lähetetty: 19. huhtikuuta 2007 7:40
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>Aihe: Re: article Sociatry
>
>I don't know, but the 'whole of mankind' means just that.
>Not to focus on that alone, but the condition of mankind is what we face.
>How that plays is - through language and theory - reflects a quote I most
>love from Dr. Moreno in Sociometry, Experimental Method and the Science of
>Society. In that hard to find, rare yet very important document Dr. Moreno
>identifies social forces at play in the human experience; in all societies,
>from the earliest to the present; from the East to the West. It's these
>forces that interest me. They seem to emerge within a social atom; within
>sociometry, and often I see psychodrama as a healing of the impact of these
>forces, having emerged within the fabric of one's social atom,
>multi-generational. So for me, and I speak only for myself, this forum is
>to address the growing edge of our own lives as we live this theory.
>
>Best,
>
>Ed
>On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:58 PM, James Sacks wrote:
>
>> Hey, you guys,
>> GroupTalk is not about international politics. If we get into that it
>> would deviate us well beyond the scope of our reason for being.
>> People on all sides of political issues have very strong feelings
>> about their views but we as socidramatists are supposed to learn how
>> to deal with such divided feelings in a group, not enter into the fray
>> by fighting it out as a partisan for one side or the other on
>> GroupTalk. We all have are views but we don't start telling our
>> favorite recipes in a class in mathematics no matter good they taste
>> and, if someone is so inappropriate as to do that, we don't argue back
>> about how bad it tastes.
>> Jim
>>
>>> I find Pinter's article a simplistic reaction and polarization of
>>> complex historical issues. I am not supporting the war, or Bush, or
>>> the US. I see much of what is happening as systemic and historical;
>>> I see a larger world and evolutionary picture. Right now US is the
>>> major player and "fighting"
>>> to remain so. The long history of British colonization has probably
>>> had more to with what is happening today than what the US has done
>>> historically, although the US has been in the "role" for decades.
>>> Many of the European nations had historical parts in the conflicts
>>> around the world Pinter mentions, eg, the middle east, a conflict
>>> whose seeds were sown in centuries of European colonization and
>>> hatred. Yet, I see all of these problems as based on human
>>> evolution, and how societies have formed and functioned, and have not
>>> evolved from domination world views and practices.
>>>
>>> Pinter's reaction is typical of social activism that only knows
>>> protest and polarization to try to stop what is happening. And is a
>>> reaction typical of social activists who demonize one side over the
>>> other, making one side seem the innocent victim, which also is not
> >> historically or currently accurate.
>>> That is confronting the dynamics of the problem with the same
>>> dynamics; Bush is demonizing, so demonize back.
>>>
>>> Also, I don't think it's effective. I have marched the marches,
>>> much in the 60's and some recently. I marched with 10's of millions
>>> of others around the globe to protest the Iraq war from happening,
> >> and how effective was that? I am coming to believe that marching and
> >> protesting are pissing in the wind, b/c it is attempting to address
>>> historical systemic issues with polarization, when what is needed is
>>> systemic transformation, a transcendence in human evolution.
>>>
>>> I believe there are seeds for contributing to this human
>>> transformation in the sociometric concepts Moreno was forming. We
>>> have discussed this some on this list before, ie, how to apply these
>>> concepts to larger societies. It is astronomically complex. But
>>> until the transformation of systemic dynamics of historical societal
>>> structures, I don't think anything will change...unless the planet is
>>> destroyed first. No one has the answers yet, but demonizing one side
>>> over the other and polarizing, although I understand it emotionally,
>>> is not contributing to change. If anything, it is the status quo.
>>>
>>> Cynthia Gayle, CP
>>> Seattle
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:33 PM
>>> Subject: : article
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- >
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember we were talking about Britain....and what the heck are
>>>>> they saying in England well, this article came out in England and
>>>>> at least some Brits are thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?
>>>>> itemID=12453§ionID=72
>>>>> ZNet
>>>>> Why George Bush is Insane
>>>>> By Harold Pinter (Nobel Prize Winning Author)
>>>>>
>>>>> Earlier this year I had a major operation for cancer. The operation
>>>>> and its after-effects were something of a nightmare. I felt I was a
>>>>> man unable to swim bobbing about under water in a deep dark endless
>>>>> ocean. But I did not drown and I am very glad to be alive.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I found that to emerge from a personal nightmare was to
>>>>> enter an infinitely more pervasive public nightmare - the nightmare
>>>>> of American hysteria, ignorance, arrogance, stupidity and
>>>>> belligerence; the most powerful nation the world has ever known
>>>>> effectively waging war against the rest of the world. "If you are
>>>>> not with us you are against us"
>>>>> President Bush has said. He has also said "We will not allow the
>>>>> world's worst weapons to remain in the hands of the world's worst
>>>>> leaders". Quite right. Look in the mirror chum.
>>>>> That's you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US is at this moment developing advanced systems of "weapons of
>>>>> mass destruction" and it prepared to use them where it sees fit. It
>>>>> has more of them than the rest of the world put together. It has
>>>>> walked away from international agreements on biological and
>>>>> chemical weapons, refusing to allow inspection of its own
>>>>> factories. The hypocrisy behind its public declarations and its own
>>>>> actions is almost a joke.
>>>>>
>>>>> The United States believes that the three thousand deaths in New
>>>>> York are the only deaths that count, the only deaths that matter.
>>>>> They are American deaths. Other deaths are unreal, abstract, of no
>>>>> consequence.
>>>>>
>>>>> The three thousand deaths in Afghanistan are never referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children dead through US and
>>>>> British sanctions which have deprived them of essential medicines
>>>>> are never referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The effect of depleted uranium, used by America in the Gulf War, is
>>>>> never referred to.
>>>>> Radiation levels in Iraq are appallingly high.
>>>>> Babies are born with no brain, no eyes, no genitals. Where they do
>>>>> have ears, mouths or rectums, all that issues from these orifices
>>>>> is blood.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two hundred thousand deaths in East Timor in 1975 brought about
> >>>> by the Indonesian government but inspired and supported by the
>>>>> United States are never referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The half a million deaths in Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador,
>>>>> Nicaragua, Uruguay, Argentina and Haiti, in actions supported and
>>>>> subsidised by the United States are never referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The millions of deaths in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are no longer
> >>>> referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The desperate plight of the Palestinian people, the central factor
> >>>> in world unrest, is hardly referred to.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what a misjudgement of the present and what a misreading of
>>>>> history this is.
>>>>>
>>>>> People do not forget. They do not forget the death of their
>>>>> fellows, they do not forget torture and mutilation, they do not
>>>>> forget injustice, they do not forget oppression, they do not forget
>>>>> the terrorism of mighty powers.
>>>>> They not only don't forget. They strike back.
>>>>>
>>>>> The atrocity in New York was predictable and inevitable. It was an
>>>>> act of retaliation against constant and systematic manifestations
>>>>> of state terrorism on the part of the United States over many
>>>>> years, in all parts of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Britain the public is now being warned to be "vigilant" in
>>>>> preparation for potential terrorist acts. The language is in itself
>>>>> preposterous.
>>>>>
>>>>> How will - or can - public vigilance be embodied? Wearing a scarf
>>>>> over your mouth to keep out poison gas? However, terrorist attacks
>>>>> are quite likely, the inevitable result of our Prime Minister's
>>>>> contemptible and shameful subservience to the United States.
>>>>> Apparently, a terrorist poison gas attack on the London Underground
>>>>> system was recently prevented. But such an act may indeed take
>>>>> place. Thousands of school children travel on the London
>>>>> Underground every day. If there is a poison gas attack from which
>>>>> they die, the responsibility will rest entirely on the shoulders of
>>>>> our Prime Minister. Needless to say, the Prime Minister does not
>>>>> travel on the underground himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> The planned war against Iraq is in fact a plan for premeditated
>>>>> murder of thousands of civilians in order, apparently, to rescue
>>>>> them from their dictator.
>>>>>
>>>>> The United States and Britain are pursuing a course which can lead
>>>>> only to an escalation of violence throughout the world and finally
>>>>> to catastrophe.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is obvious, however, that the United States is bursting at the
>>>>> seams to attack Iran. I believe that it will do this - not just to
>>>>> take control of Iraqi oil - but because the US administration is
>>>>> now a bloodthirsty wild animal. Bombs are its only vocabulary. Many
>>>>> Americans, we know, are horrified by the posture of their
>>>>> government but seem to be helpless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless Europe finds the solidarity, intelligence, courage and will
>>>>> to challenge and resist US power Europe itself will deserve
>>>>> Alexander Herzen's definition (as quoted in the Guardian newspaper
>>>>> in London recently) "We are not the doctors. We are the disease".
>>>>>
>>>>> Harold Pinter
>>>>>
>>>>> The Assassinated Press
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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