VS: article Sociatry
carpe at welho.com
carpe at welho.com
Wed Apr 25 11:20:56 CDT 2007
Thanks!
Cheers,
Jarmo
Lainaus James Sacks <jmsacks at mindspring.com>:
> Dear Jarmo,
> This book was published in 1951 by Beacon House
> which was Moreno's own publishing house.The
> publishing company has closed but the remaining
> stock of them was taken over by Dr. Donnell
> Miller who can be reached at:
>
> Beacon Reminders Psychodramas
> 1610 Helena Lane
> Relands, CA 92373
> Tel: 909-798-2765
>
> I think he is not on email.
> Sincerely,
> Jim
> >Does anyone know, how I could get the book "Sociometry, Experimental
> Method
> >and the Science of Society" or a copy of it. I tried to buy it trough
> >Amazon.com, but it didn't work out.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jarmo Manner
> >Finland
> >
> >-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
> >Lähettäjä: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org
> >[mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] Puolesta Edward Schreiber
> >Lähetetty: 19. huhtikuuta 2007 7:40
> >Vastaanottaja: list at grouptalkweb.org
> >Aihe: Re: article Sociatry
> >
> >I don't know, but the 'whole of mankind' means just that.
> >Not to focus on that alone, but the condition of mankind is what we face.
> >How that plays is - through language and theory - reflects a quote I most
> >love from Dr. Moreno in Sociometry, Experimental Method and the Science of
> >Society. In that hard to find, rare yet very important document Dr.
> Moreno
> >identifies social forces at play in the human experience; in all
> societies,
> >from the earliest to the present; from the East to the West. It's these
> >forces that interest me. They seem to emerge within a social atom; within
> >sociometry, and often I see psychodrama as a healing of the impact of
> these
> >forces, having emerged within the fabric of one's social atom,
> >multi-generational. So for me, and I speak only for myself, this forum is
> >to address the growing edge of our own lives as we live this theory.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >Ed
> >On Apr 18, 2007, at 7:58 PM, James Sacks wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, you guys,
> >> GroupTalk is not about international politics. If we get into that it
> >> would deviate us well beyond the scope of our reason for being.
> >> People on all sides of political issues have very strong feelings
> >> about their views but we as socidramatists are supposed to learn how
> >> to deal with such divided feelings in a group, not enter into the fray
> >> by fighting it out as a partisan for one side or the other on
> >> GroupTalk. We all have are views but we don't start telling our
> >> favorite recipes in a class in mathematics no matter good they taste
> >> and, if someone is so inappropriate as to do that, we don't argue back
> >> about how bad it tastes.
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>> I find Pinter's article a simplistic reaction and polarization of
> >>> complex historical issues. I am not supporting the war, or Bush, or
> >>> the US. I see much of what is happening as systemic and historical;
> >>> I see a larger world and evolutionary picture. Right now US is the
> >>> major player and "fighting"
> >>> to remain so. The long history of British colonization has probably
> >>> had more to with what is happening today than what the US has done
> >>> historically, although the US has been in the "role" for decades.
> >>> Many of the European nations had historical parts in the conflicts
> >>> around the world Pinter mentions, eg, the middle east, a conflict
> >>> whose seeds were sown in centuries of European colonization and
> >>> hatred. Yet, I see all of these problems as based on human
> >>> evolution, and how societies have formed and functioned, and have not
> >>> evolved from domination world views and practices.
> >>>
> >>> Pinter's reaction is typical of social activism that only knows
> >>> protest and polarization to try to stop what is happening. And is a
> >>> reaction typical of social activists who demonize one side over the
> >>> other, making one side seem the innocent victim, which also is not
> > >> historically or currently accurate.
> >>> That is confronting the dynamics of the problem with the same
> >>> dynamics; Bush is demonizing, so demonize back.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I don't think it's effective. I have marched the marches,
> >>> much in the 60's and some recently. I marched with 10's of millions
> >>> of others around the globe to protest the Iraq war from happening,
> > >> and how effective was that? I am coming to believe that marching and
> > >> protesting are pissing in the wind, b/c it is attempting to address
> >>> historical systemic issues with polarization, when what is needed is
> >>> systemic transformation, a transcendence in human evolution.
> >>>
> >>> I believe there are seeds for contributing to this human
> >>> transformation in the sociometric concepts Moreno was forming. We
> >>> have discussed this some on this list before, ie, how to apply these
> >>> concepts to larger societies. It is astronomically complex. But
> >>> until the transformation of systemic dynamics of historical societal
> >>> structures, I don't think anything will change...unless the planet is
> >>> destroyed first. No one has the answers yet, but demonizing one side
> >>> over the other and polarizing, although I understand it emotionally,
> >>> is not contributing to change. If anything, it is the status quo.
> >>>
> >>> Cynthia Gayle, CP
> >>> Seattle
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:33 PM
> >>> Subject: : article
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Remember we were talking about Britain....and what the heck are
> >>>>> they saying in England well, this article came out in England and
> >>>>> at least some Brits are thinking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?
> >>>>> itemID=12453§ionID=72
> >>>>> ZNet
> >>>>> Why George Bush is Insane
> >>>>> By Harold Pinter (Nobel Prize Winning Author)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Earlier this year I had a major operation for cancer. The operation
> >>>>> and its after-effects were something of a nightmare. I felt I was a
> >>>>> man unable to swim bobbing about under water in a deep dark endless
> >>>>> ocean. But I did not drown and I am very glad to be alive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I found that to emerge from a personal nightmare was to
> >>>>> enter an infinitely more pervasive public nightmare - the nightmare
> >>>>> of American hysteria, ignorance, arrogance, stupidity and
> >>>>> belligerence; the most powerful nation the world has ever known
> >>>>> effectively waging war against the rest of the world. "If you are
> >>>>> not with us you are against us"
> >>>>> President Bush has said. He has also said "We will not allow the
> >>>>> world's worst weapons to remain in the hands of the world's worst
> >>>>> leaders". Quite right. Look in the mirror chum.
> >>>>> That's you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The US is at this moment developing advanced systems of "weapons of
> >>>>> mass destruction" and it prepared to use them where it sees fit. It
> >>>>> has more of them than the rest of the world put together. It has
> >>>>> walked away from international agreements on biological and
> >>>>> chemical weapons, refusing to allow inspection of its own
> >>>>> factories. The hypocrisy behind its public declarations and its own
> >>>>> actions is almost a joke.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The United States believes that the three thousand deaths in New
> >>>>> York are the only deaths that count, the only deaths that matter.
> >>>>> They are American deaths. Other deaths are unreal, abstract, of no
> >>>>> consequence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The three thousand deaths in Afghanistan are never referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children dead through US and
> >>>>> British sanctions which have deprived them of essential medicines
> >>>>> are never referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The effect of depleted uranium, used by America in the Gulf War, is
> >>>>> never referred to.
> >>>>> Radiation levels in Iraq are appallingly high.
> >>>>> Babies are born with no brain, no eyes, no genitals. Where they do
> >>>>> have ears, mouths or rectums, all that issues from these orifices
> >>>>> is blood.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The two hundred thousand deaths in East Timor in 1975 brought about
> > >>>> by the Indonesian government but inspired and supported by the
> >>>>> United States are never referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The half a million deaths in Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador,
> >>>>> Nicaragua, Uruguay, Argentina and Haiti, in actions supported and
> >>>>> subsidised by the United States are never referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The millions of deaths in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are no longer
> > >>>> referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The desperate plight of the Palestinian people, the central factor
> > >>>> in world unrest, is hardly referred to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But what a misjudgement of the present and what a misreading of
> >>>>> history this is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People do not forget. They do not forget the death of their
> >>>>> fellows, they do not forget torture and mutilation, they do not
> >>>>> forget injustice, they do not forget oppression, they do not forget
> >>>>> the terrorism of mighty powers.
> >>>>> They not only don't forget. They strike back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The atrocity in New York was predictable and inevitable. It was an
> >>>>> act of retaliation against constant and systematic manifestations
> >>>>> of state terrorism on the part of the United States over many
> >>>>> years, in all parts of the world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In Britain the public is now being warned to be "vigilant" in
> >>>>> preparation for potential terrorist acts. The language is in itself
> >>>>> preposterous.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How will - or can - public vigilance be embodied? Wearing a scarf
> >>>>> over your mouth to keep out poison gas? However, terrorist attacks
> >>>>> are quite likely, the inevitable result of our Prime Minister's
> >>>>> contemptible and shameful subservience to the United States.
> >>>>> Apparently, a terrorist poison gas attack on the London Underground
> >>>>> system was recently prevented. But such an act may indeed take
> >>>>> place. Thousands of school children travel on the London
> >>>>> Underground every day. If there is a poison gas attack from which
> >>>>> they die, the responsibility will rest entirely on the shoulders of
> >>>>> our Prime Minister. Needless to say, the Prime Minister does not
> >>>>> travel on the underground himself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The planned war against Iraq is in fact a plan for premeditated
> >>>>> murder of thousands of civilians in order, apparently, to rescue
> >>>>> them from their dictator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The United States and Britain are pursuing a course which can lead
> >>>>> only to an escalation of violence throughout the world and finally
> >>>>> to catastrophe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is obvious, however, that the United States is bursting at the
> >>>>> seams to attack Iran. I believe that it will do this - not just to
> >>>>> take control of Iraqi oil - but because the US administration is
> >>>>> now a bloodthirsty wild animal. Bombs are its only vocabulary. Many
> >>>>> Americans, we know, are horrified by the posture of their
> >>>>> government but seem to be helpless.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unless Europe finds the solidarity, intelligence, courage and will
> >>>>> to challenge and resist US power Europe itself will deserve
> >>>>> Alexander Herzen's definition (as quoted in the Guardian newspaper
> >>>>> in London recently) "We are not the doctors. We are the disease".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Harold Pinter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Assassinated Press
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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