Ann Hale, what is the pie-chart? from a recent past issue /List Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
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Thu Aug 2 15:15:58 CDT 2007
Re: help Ann Hale: what is the pie-chart/from a recent past issue in
grouptalk-//List Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1
Ann Hale<annehale at swva.net>
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the pie chart notion in problem-solving
and lowering stress. (( a tipoff.)) from Anne Hale
point to level of discomfort on a continuum from 1 to 10.,
and then feel free to make decision.
The pie chart (la fin de la plainte)= presenting it in a circle !
Ann Hale<annehale at swva.net>
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Le 2 août 07 à 21:03, Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger a écrit :
help Ann Hale or Anath= what is the pie-chart / from a recent
exchangein grouptalk
please
warmly and best from
Anne (Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger) 88 years old and an old timer of
psychodrama
Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Paris, actuellement Argentiere Chamonix Mont-Blanc)
Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
Psychodramatiste & analyste transgenerationnel
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> From: "Johanna and Hamish" <perfect_brown at xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: A problem with Sociometry?
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> Greetings group talkers
>
> I have been contemplating Sociometry and thought I would post some
> thoughts
> about Sociometry and organisations because I thought your responses
> and
> reflections would be interesting.
>
> Warmly
> Hamish Brown
> Psychodramatist
>
>
> A problem with sociometry as an explanatory theory of human
> dynamics seems
> to appear in attempting to apply it to organisational systems -
> when I take
> it not just as an explanatory theory but also as a theory to guide my
> actions I find that I am put into a dilemma. On the one hand I have
> responses to the world that come about as a function of my role
> repertoire
> which cause me to move towards and away from others at different
> times - on
> the other hand I am self conscious of the responses others are
> having to me
> and their moving towards and away from me at different times often
> due to my
> speaking or actions. I find that I am able to adjust so that
> others are
> more inclined to move towards me, also I am able to build
> relationship with
> a wide range of people so that there is positive tele. The difficulty
> arises when I notice that while I might be able to cause someone to
> move
> towards me and doing so is not congruent with my natural response
> to that
> person in that situation. I suppose I might call this a 'role
> conflict' and
> I might do a psychodrama to reconcile this conflict within myself.
> However...
>
> Contemplating this has me value the work of Machiavelli the Italian
> philosopher. The thing is that I want to see the world and
> relationships as
> more than a series of political games and maneuverings and yet it
> is obvious
> to me at some points that letting my true feelings show would cause
> fragmentation in the system and result in my not getting what I want.
>
> If I am in the role of trainee or employee where there is little or no
> positional power associated with the role and a set of expectations
> regarding how I should best act, then there is quite some burden on
> me to
> 'fall into line', to do what others want so I can get what I want.
> The
> problem I am pointing to is not this in its self (sociometry
> provides a
> useful way to present this dilemma to all of you) the problem is
> that this
> is quite a simple (polar) way of seeing the issues contained in this
> situation. While the description is accurate it does not seem to
> create a
> rich enough explanation to assist me to resolve my power issues
> sufficiently
> to experience relationship differently.
>
> Due to my tendency to avoid my power issues it leads me away from the
> therapeutic arena of experiencing myself and deepening my
> reflections on my
> inner experience and developing the capacity to relate to others
> through
> different criteria and towards my clever rational capacity to act in a
> Machiavellian manner to create what I want - the cost never seems
> very big
> at the time, but is in fact huge. I find myself living in a
> Machiavellian
> world which I cannot escape because my projections and the rational
> response
> to these perfectly reasonable projections make me aware of how
> Machiavellian
> every one else is.
>
> I guess I'm saying that while sociometric explanations sure are
> helpful to
> those observing the system I am not sure how helpful they are to those
> within it and of cause this separation is a problem in its self (as
> I don't
> believe it exists).
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 02:54:43 -0400
> From: "Ann Hale" <annehale at swva.net>
> Subject: Fw: A problem with Sociometry?
> To: "grouptalk" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann Hale
> To: Johanna and Hamish
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:53 AM
> Subject: Re: A problem with Sociometry?
>
>
> I like imagining how Moreno would have answered you. Role theory
> is an important part of sociometry, as one defines role perception,
> leading to role expectation and shaping enactment. If one limits
> their perception of what it means to be (have roles) in this
> particular system to just "role taking" their behavior and choices
> stay within that proscribed by others. (The external structure)
> There is little spontaneity. In fact, Moreno would have described
> prolonged action from this mode as robotic. The purpose of robotic
> choicemaking is to maximize control by "falling into line". It is
> the least agile of structures. In these times of rapid change in
> businesses and our home life, agility is a high value. And, agility
> cannot survive in the realm of robotic, blinders on, heartless
> self promotion.
> That is why "teams" have become so important in the workplace.
>
> In the debate about realism and idealism Moreno wanted a world safe
> for democracy, where there is a freedom to choose based on being
> conscious enough of others and the impact of choices on others, in
> order "that a truly therapeutic method could encompass all of man
> (human) kind." Several months ago we discussed here on grouptalk
> aristotele, and part of that discussion fell to motivation in
> choice-making. It is a huge topic; however, just the sort of split
> you have described ( choosing to get what I want vs. choosing to
> get so that we all benefit ) I have begun to call authentic choice-
> making and opportunistic choice-making. I am speaking about truth
> and expedience, and what dynamically is in the "soup" of life. The
> soup is both idealistic and realistic.
>
> It is true that one can organize their life and choices to the
> benefit of oneself solely. In the very most ancient of times they
> used to draw maps, measuring the distance from place to place,
> based on how long it takes the weakest member of the tribe to
> arrive. Is this idealistic? I don't think so. I believe it is
> humane, and offers a view of what we have seemed to have lost in
> "systems" which have a bottom line of "getting yours".
>
> Moreno described external society and sociometric society, His
> wrote about the external structure, the hierarchy of a system, and
> also an underlying sociometric structure, one which was more
> informal, but quite impactful on the external structure. This is
> because people have a spontaneous and creative soul, and even when
> they have to "sell their soul" to earn a living, they are still
> capable of knowing their true, authentic self, and what that part
> of themself truly wants.
>
> (If you want to see a movie which focuses on the end-game of
> controlling others perceived choices see the movie Sicko directed
> by Michael Moore. He examines health-care in the US and in other
> countries.)
> Ann Hale
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Johanna and Hamish" <perfect_brown at xtra.co.nz>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:30 PM
> Subject: A problem with Sociometry?
>
>
>> Greetings group talkers
>>
>> I have been contemplating Sociometry and thought I would post some
>> thoughts
>> about Sociometry and organisations because I thought your
>> responses and
>> reflections would be interesting.
>>
>> Warmly
>> Hamish Brown
>> Psychodramatist
>>
>>
>> A problem with sociometry as an explanatory theory of human
>> dynamics seems
>> to appear in attempting to apply it to organisational systems -
>> when I take
>> it not just as an explanatory theory but also as a theory to guide my
>> actions I find that I am put into a dilemma. On the one hand I have
>> responses to the world that come about as a function of my role
>> repertoire
>> which cause me to move towards and away from others at different
>> times - on
>> the other hand I am self conscious of the responses others are
>> having to me
>> and their moving towards and away from me at different times often
>> due to my
>> speaking or actions. I find that I am able to adjust so that
>> others are
>> more inclined to move towards me, also I am able to build
>> relationship with
>> a wide range of people so that there is positive tele. The
>> difficulty
>> arises when I notice that while I might be able to cause someone
>> to move
>> towards me and doing so is not congruent with my natural response
>> to that
>> person in that situation. I suppose I might call this a 'role
>> conflict' and
>> I might do a psychodrama to reconcile this conflict within myself.
>> However...
>>
>> Contemplating this has me value the work of Machiavelli the Italian
>> philosopher. The thing is that I want to see the world and
>> relationships as
>> more than a series of political games and maneuverings and yet it
>> is obvious
>> to me at some points that letting my true feelings show would cause
>> fragmentation in the system and result in my not getting what I want.
>>
>> If I am in the role of trainee or employee where there is little
>> or no
>> positional power associated with the role and a set of expectations
>> regarding how I should best act, then there is quite some burden
>> on me to
>> 'fall into line', to do what others want so I can get what I
>> want. The
>> problem I am pointing to is not this in its self (sociometry
>> provides a
>> useful way to present this dilemma to all of you) the problem is
>> that this
>> is quite a simple (polar) way of seeing the issues contained in this
>> situation. While the description is accurate it does not seem to
>> create a
>> rich enough explanation to assist me to resolve my power issues
>> sufficiently
>> to experience relationship differently.
>>
>> Due to my tendency to avoid my power issues it leads me away from the
>> therapeutic arena of experiencing myself and deepening my
>> reflections on my
>> inner experience and developing the capacity to relate to others
>> through
>> different criteria and towards my clever rational capacity to act
>> in a
>> Machiavellian manner to create what I want - the cost never seems
>> very big
>> at the time, but is in fact huge. I find myself living in a
>> Machiavellian
>> world which I cannot escape because my projections and the
>> rational response
>> to these perfectly reasonable projections make me aware of how
>> Machiavellian
>> every one else is.
>>
>> I guess I'm saying that while sociometric explanations sure are
>> helpful to
>> those observing the system I am not sure how helpful they are to
>> those
>> within it and of cause this separation is a problem in its self
>> (as I don't
>> believe it exists).
>>
>>
>>
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