For your information - Sociatry cont'd

Mon Aug 20 16:28:41 CDT 2007

Hi all,

I am forwarding the following with Adam Blatner's encouragement - I invite
you to read the discussion and respond with your thoughts, whatever they may
be...

Regards,

Kim

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Sociatry
To: Kim Cox < kimbo.cox at gmail.com>

 Hi Kim,
    You may not want to brave the listserve, but personally I think this
should have been sent over the listserve. Your reactions will no doubt be
representative of many. Some like this "Let's all start getting all het up
about social concerns and those that aren't with us are scardey-cats"
excitement, but many others are more moderate in tone. The excited ones find
the moderates to be part of the problem, while the moderates find the
zealous to be counter-productive, methinks.

        The fun of the listserve is that you really are free to be you and
ask for input. Interesting, though, how few people do speak up. Is it
reluctance to encounter the more zealous, or buck what they perceive to be a
norm when it is really just one or a few people's opinions?

        If you want, you may send this along with your response and your
previous comments below right to the listserve. I think lots of folks should
hear a bit of mixing-it-up. You haven't been uncivil, only a bit indignant.
Some friction like that can be stimulating and even healing.   Hm?

       Indeed, your spirit intrigues me--- what are some of your current
roles and interests? Maybe I can help you network or stimulate you in these
pursuits.

Warmly, Adam

*******************
Ed's response:

no one is yelling,people are simply sharing
and yes, there is massive denial,
of which we are all part.

Denial about the collapse of the environment
in particular, and in particular as Americans,
and the collapse of the economic structure of this country.

For me, I am most interested in the work Moreno offered
about society. That's all I have to say.  Best of luck to you
in your life and work.

Ed

P.S.
If you ever want to have an off-line back
channel exchange about why we are in denial,
in a kind-of-like complex PTSD society dilemma,
I would be happy to share that research in an
exchange.

----- Original Message -----
 *From:* Kim Cox <kimbo.cox at gmail.com>
*To:* Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
*Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 11:58 AM
*Subject:* Re: Sociatry

But Ed is it your place to judge me??? or anyone else on this listserv?

You want to talk about denial, we can talk about denial, as I have none of
it, especially when it comes to what's happening in our world. I take
offense that you continue to make judgments about me without walking in MY
shoes first.

"Most people are hiding..." --- how do you know this? Do you know "most
people"??? I barely know you and you're making assumptions and judgments
without really asking - instead you get on this listserv and "yell" about
what I and the rest of the listserv "should" be doing - and that does not
inspire me to join your cause, I'd rather stick to the causes I'm already
fighting for, thanks very much (of which you have no knowledge about because
you don't know me).

Kim

On 8/20/07, Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> fine, but most people are just hiding, afraid of the reality  we are
> facing about the earth and your not smacks a bit
> of that kind of denial.   best,
> Ed
>
>  On Aug 20, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Kim Cox wrote:
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Thanks for your response. I would be interested in your writings about
> this fourth dimension, as I don't know much about it. However, I would
> encourage you to think about what articles to send before you send them -
> following Amy Goodman's points on the media and how we are fed information
> that may not be factual, including info re. the environment. In essence, as
> we've discussed, I'd rather read your own thoughts rather than those from
> some generic reporter from a newspaper.
>
> Kim
>
>
>
>
> On 8/20/07, Edward Schreiber < edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kim, Thanks for the update.
> > I am not interested in starting another listserve or blog so my decision
> > to speak my thoughts on grouptalk holds firm.
> > Your comment however about framing such things as a Globe article with
> > what might be done from a Morenean perspective
> > holds great truth and in the future I will do just that.  However that
> > noted Moreno wrote extensively about politics and social
> > issues and how to address them, and his ideas strayed off from
> > psychodrama, but that straying leads to further ideas about
> > sociatry as a forth dimension of his work.   We have developed Dr.
> > Moreno's work into a triadic system which unfortunately
> > is not accurate.  His work is a quadradic system, the forth being
> > sociatry.   Many of us  (many more from South America
> > and Europe than the US) are already looking at sociatry as a forth
> > catagory of his work and we are in a collective phase of defining
> > sociatry (but it must be rooted from his work and not our interpretation
> > of his work). That process is in process as we speak.
> >
> > Global warming and climate change fall under the heading of sociatric
> > work of Moreno, and so my further posts, even using material from the
> > globe will include my understanding of the 4th dimension of Moreno,
> > sociatry.   How did this sound to you?
> >   On Aug 19, 2007, at 8:45 PM, Kim Cox wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > I'm just sending this directly to you to move it from the listserv. My
> > question to the listserv had to do with the nature of the listserv and
> > understanding if any rules were ever set, as what is usually the case when
> > listservs are established.
> >
> > I am not trying to take away your free speech on this listserv, and for
> > you to interpret my comments like that concerns me.
> >
> > Of course we are in a country of free speech, and you're right, I don't
> > have to read anything you write.
> >
> > I never said that I do not want to read your thoughts about Moreno's
> > ideas about society, that's completely different from forwarding news
> > articles about the environment from the Boston Globe. Part of why I am on
> > the listserv is to learn more about different psychodrama ideas and
> > perspectives.
> >
> > But your e-mail that followed the article came across as "yelling" (as
> > Adam Blatner mentioned), and combined with the article, I felt like I wasn't
> > on the psychodrama listserv anymore, I was now on a new
> > political-environmental listserv that was "heating up" with current event
> > news.
> >
> > I am already on True Majority, Moveon.org, Save Darfur, among other
> > listservs, and already receive a ton of e-mail in my Inbox. When e-mails
> > come in from the grouplist, I look forward to reading them, but if they
> > become purely political in nature I will disconnect. That is why I offered
> > the idea to move it to a blog (or as someone else suggested, the Forum),
> > where those who want to engage in this debate/dialogue with you can join
> > you there.
> >
> > Please know that I do respect you and your views, but the way you are
> > currently communicating them to me via the listserv turns me off completely
> > and does not inspire me to join your cause. I do look forward to reading
> > more postings from you, if they are a little more focused on
> > psychodrama/sociometry, and not just what you read in the newspaper that day
> > or what you heard in the news.
> >
> > If something I have written today is unclear, please ask me, I'd be glad
> > to answer. But I would really like to end this, as I feel like I've
> > expressed my feelings about it, as you have yours, and I just hope that you
> > can understand my perspective.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Kim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/19/07, Edward Schreiber < edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > As far as I know, this is still a place of free speech.
> > > My suggestion is if you do not wish to read my thoughts,
> > > about Moreno's ideas about society, as I understand those
> > > ideas, then I suggest you simply ignore anything I offer.
> > > Just don't read anything I write.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > On Aug 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Kim Cox wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Ed,
> > > >
> > > > Some of what you say has merit, but as far as the ASGPP group
> > > > listserv, I personally do not think this dialogue belongs on this
> > > > listserv, and would be better suited for your own personal blog to
> > > > invite people to come and read and respond, and dialogue with you
> > > > further.
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if other listserv members agree?
> > > >
> > > > And also wondering/trying to recall if there were any "rules" ever
> > > > set up for this listserv as to what kinds of postings are allowed/
> > > > encouraged/discouraged?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Kim
> > > >
> > > > Grouptalk mailing list
> > > > List at grouptalkweb.org
> > > > http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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