List Digest, Vol 14, Issue 12: Spirituality and psychodrama
Linda Ciotola
vegmom at closecall.com
Thu Aug 23 07:27:29 CDT 2007
Dear Connie and others: Each Souldrama workshop I have attended has left me
profoundly moved both emotionally and spiritually. I have directed several
private axiodramas and love to use action methods for spiritual healing and
growth. I plan to continue attending Souldrama workshops as my schedule
permits and hope to eventually become certified, although finishing up my
TEP is my primary goal for the next 18 months. As a certified team leader
in the Therapeutic Spiral Model tm , and long time devotee of Teilhard de
Chardin's theory of spiritual evolution , I envison the timeline of
psychodrama evolving from its Morenian roots, through its creative
adaptations (TSM and others) , Bibliodrama, through Souldrama....and
on....Namaste, Linda Ciotola
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1. Fwd: sociatry821 (Edward Schreiber)
2. RE: Fwd: sociatry821 (thana ag)
3. Fw: Sociatry81907 (HV Psychodrama)
4. Other uses... (HV Psychodrama)
5. Fwd: Other uses... (Edward Schreiber)
6. Re: Other uses... (CGayle)
7. Re: Fw: Sociatry81907 (Linda Condon)
8. Re: Other uses... (HV Psychodrama)
9. Re: Other uses... (Edward Schreiber)
10. Uses outside of therapy (Connie Miller)
11. Re: Rowe MA Workshop: Barcroft Bio Correction and Sociatry
Message (Adam M. Barcroft)
12. Re: Uses outside of therapy (SaphiraL at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:52:54 -0400
From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
Subject: Fwd: sociatry821
To: ASGPP Listserv <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> Date: August 21, 2007 2:52:39 PM EDT
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> Subject: Re: sociatry821
>
> Thanks Adam for this.
> I want to make a similar apology to our community as well,
> and at times I feel a fish out of water (as the water heats).
>
> Being in China I saw a future I want no part of.
> Meaning: the horrendous destruction of nature in the effort to
> consume. It was 1984.
>
> And then I come home to our land, and learn of floods in the midwest,
> and I read scientific reports about the climate inching up faster
> than computer
> models predicted. And then I read reports of Greenland slipping
> due to underground
> leakage of the ice formations, and then I learn in China of the 80
> million (mostly peasant
> farmers) made homeless, and I feel despair - the despair I can
> imagine must be felt all over,
> and I ask: what the hell can we do - and I realize this state of
> denial - we are all facing - and
> I talk with colleagues and they reflect the same - and I realize in
> the end Moreno was right:
> if we (I) do not consider all of humanity, what I am?
>
> Best and thanks,
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>
>> I want to apologize for passing along some conversation that Ed
>> considered confidential back-channeling. I admit that was my fault
>> rather than Kim's. I really respect and admire Ed for his many
>> different contributions, his international travels and support for
>> psychodrama at conferences; his scholarship both on the Zerka book
>> and in other continuing ways; his research; his taking the work
>> into creative new alternatives; and, yes, his broader vision about
>> sociatry!
>> I only disagreed with the tactic of what kinds of materials
>> should be properly included on grouptalk. I do agree that it is
>> worthwhile to think together about what we who know about Moreno's
>> visions might be able to do to apply these in a broader context.
>> On the whole, I very much appreciate Ed's contributions,
>> as he has helped to keep Grouptalk dynamically active as a place
>> for dialogue, and regret that I may have injudicously overshot the
>> mark. Please keep playing with us, Ed.
>>
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:41:19 +0000
From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: sociatry821
To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net, list at grouptalkweb.org
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Dear Ed,
Sorry that you feel despair.
I think despair is "good"! If more people will take less prozac and accept
that their despair,depression may have something to do with reality:
working hard to consume ever more, being defined by "net worth",
disregarding how their behaviour affects others,the enviornment, etc
-perhaps there would be a chance for each of us to become a therapeutic
agent to another: consume more love and compassion , less fuel(especially if
the former will come with no fees attached...)
I liked the last exchange between you and Adam.
anath
>From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>To: ASGPP Listserv <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>Subject: Fwd: sociatry821
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:52:54 -0400
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>>From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>Date: August 21, 2007 2:52:39 PM EDT
>>To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>>Subject: Re: sociatry821
>>
>>Thanks Adam for this.
>>I want to make a similar apology to our community as well,
>>and at times I feel a fish out of water (as the water heats).
>>
>>Being in China I saw a future I want no part of.
>>Meaning: the horrendous destruction of nature in the effort to
>>consume. It was 1984.
>>
>>And then I come home to our land, and learn of floods in the midwest,
>>and I read scientific reports about the climate inching up faster than
>>computer
>>models predicted. And then I read reports of Greenland slipping due to
>>underground
>>leakage of the ice formations, and then I learn in China of the 80
>>million (mostly peasant
>>farmers) made homeless, and I feel despair - the despair I can imagine
>>must be felt all over,
>>and I ask: what the hell can we do - and I realize this state of denial
>>- we are all facing - and
>>I talk with colleagues and they reflect the same - and I realize in the
>>end Moreno was right:
>>if we (I) do not consider all of humanity, what I am?
>>
>>Best and thanks,
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>On Aug 21, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>
>>>I want to apologize for passing along some conversation that Ed
>>>considered confidential back-channeling. I admit that was my fault
>>>rather than Kim's. I really respect and admire Ed for his many different
>>>contributions, his international travels and support for psychodrama at
>>>conferences; his scholarship both on the Zerka book and in other
>>>continuing ways; his research; his taking the work into creative new
>>>alternatives; and, yes, his broader vision about sociatry!
>>> I only disagreed with the tactic of what kinds of materials
>>>should be properly included on grouptalk. I do agree that it is
>>>worthwhile to think together about what we who know about Moreno's
>>>visions might be able to do to apply these in a broader context.
>>> On the whole, I very much appreciate Ed's contributions, as he
>>>has helped to keep Grouptalk dynamically active as a place for dialogue,
>>>and regret that I may have injudicously overshot the mark. Please keep
>>>playing with us, Ed.
>>>
>>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:27:23 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Sociatry81907
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Sociatry81907
> Marion Chase, the mama of dance therapy, had an interesting and
> successful way of working with deeply disturbed people. She began moving
> with the client exactly as s/he moved, and only after she had done this
> for a while did she begin to expand her own movement, incrementally, to
> make it larger or to move it in a different direction. She began by
> joining, and making small changes so the client would move along with her,
> rather than rejecting her movements. She helped them expand their movement
> repertoire.
>
> I think there is a parallel to what you are saying, here, Adam.
>
> In addition, I would like to know, specifically, what people are doing
> with action methods to address environmental, political, social, economic,
> etc. concerns....Herb Propper has been recently writing to Grouptalk
> about taking action methods into the Muslim culture of Bangladesh. I know
> Susan Aaron has been working with Six Nations folks up in Canada. Mary
> Bellafatto has used action methods to help with reconciliation on Africa.
> Who else?
> Is there anyone out there out there working outside the
> psychotherapuetic model, using action methods to address
> socio/political/environmental issues here in the US or abroad?
>
> Rebecca
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:26 AM
> Subject: Sociatry81907
>
>
>>
>>
>> Dear Ed, I certainly respect your social concern. I just question the
>> value of
>> re-stating the degree of trouble we're in and noting all its
>> permutations. It seems as if
>> you're shouting, but as I say, my preference is to focus more on specific
>> remedies.
>> Really, we're talking about consciousness raising, and including ecology
>> as part of our
>> circle of concern. The next question is, how can we best do this?
>> My approach is to help people strengthen their capacity to address
>> issues, to
>> foster responsibility by increasing their
>>>> ability to respond. I hope to do this by broadening their role
>>>> repertoire through
>>>> including action, sociodramatic techniques, as part of learning. Most
>>>> folks don't know
>>>> how to role reverse, for example; there's a knack to extending the
>>>> imagination this
>>>> way.
>> I hope to promote the use of role theory as a user-friendly
>> language for
>> psychology. The world needs to know how to integrate the best insights of
>> psychology and
>> this is more difficult if there's too much weird jargon.
>> Other goals are noted on my website biography. All these are aimed
>> at strengthening
>> the infrastructure.
>> Approaching it from another angle: I think people tend to avoid thinking
>> about that which
>> they cannot think about. Sretching more than a little bit is
>> experienced as overloading.
>> This is true in sports physiology and psychology, too. In psychology,
>> Vygotsky talks about
>> learning at what he calls the Zone of Proximal Development. I call it the
>> edge. Folks
>> don't learn beyond that zone or edge-region. We can gradually expand that
>> region. (This
>> also relates to the principle of warming-up, but taken to a broader
>> perspective.) We can
>> strengthen the "infra-structure" of skills, knowledge, and attitude.
>> That's where I see
>> many of Moreno's contributions having a common denominator.
>> Shouting about the urgency of the problem, though, may be
>> counter-productive. Faced
>> with the threat of what is experienced by the limbic system as threat,
>> shame, guilt,
>> punishment, the mind shuts down.
>> So I focus on tiny steps, what can be done. This also partakes of (of
>> all people) B.
>> F. Skinner's principles of operant
>> conditioning as part of learning theory: Break it down into small steps,
>> relatively easy
>> achievements; and reinforce each step.
>> What do you think? Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:27:45 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Other uses...
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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I am very curious about where and how folks are using psychodrama and
sociometry outside the psychotherapeutic/recovery world. Not theoretically,
but actually doing it....
Any one care to share?
Rebecca Walters
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road
New Paltz, NY 12561
Ph: (845) 255 7502
E-mail: hvpi at hvc.rr.com
Visit us at our website: http://www.hvpi.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:04:32 -0400
From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
Subject: Fwd: Other uses...
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> Date: August 21, 2007 10:04:15 PM EDT
> To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Other uses...
>
> Also I would add that besides action methods, I am interested in
> people who have been
> able to decipher, refine, think through the complexity of Moreno's
> theory about sociatry
> and how to apply it as well. Change is often a process of action
> phases, as we know
> from stages of change work.
>
> Best,
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:27 AM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
>
>> I am very curious about where and how folks are using psychodrama
>> and sociometry outside the psychotherapeutic/recovery world. Not
>> theoretically, but actually doing it....
>> Any one care to share?
>> Rebecca Walters
>>
>>
>> Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
>> 68 DuBois Road
>> New Paltz, NY 12561
>>
>> Ph: (845) 255 7502
>> E-mail: hvpi at hvc.rr.com
>> Visit us at our website: http://www.hvpi.net
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:22:12 -0700
From: "CGayle" <cgayle at zipcon.com>
Subject: Re: Other uses...
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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Maybe not quite what you meant, but am doing other uses outside of therapy.
I am using bibliodrama and psychodrama with spiritual direction work
(deepening one's relationship with Divine Presence)...not as part of
therapy. Just finished a spiritual direction training program. So not
directly on "social" issues, yet. But Bible is filled with social issues.
Often people are struggling, in role, with the old paradigms of our culture
as they are working in with new paradigms, a sociodrama within a
bibliodrama. Also, last year I worked with a board of a local small
congregation in their healing from fractious dynamics in the community, with
bibliodrama and spiritual direction; also facilitated a visioning meeting
for them, mostly with spiritual direction and open sharing. Also am on the
board and have led groups with The Creating Space, a non-profit interfaith
group using expressive arts to deepen spirituality. Most of Jews,
Christians and Catholics in these venues are active in social action as
aspect of their lives, so sometimes these issues emerge.
Cynthia Gayle, CP
Seattle
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From: HV Psychodrama
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:27 AM
Subject: Other uses...
I am very curious about where and how folks are using psychodrama and
sociometry outside the psychotherapeutic/recovery world. Not theoretically,
but actually doing it....
Any one care to share?
Rebecca Walters
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road
New Paltz, NY 12561
Ph: (845) 255 7502
E-mail: hvpi at hvc.rr.com
Visit us at our website: http://www.hvpi.net
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linda Condon <lincondon at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Sociatry81907
To: HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>, list at grouptalkweb.org
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Rebecca,
Cece Yocum is using psychodrama in Rwanda and is scheduled to go to South
America this year also. She is a Quaker who was certified last year. Very
interesting work. Cece and Christina Bellamy are using psychodrama to work
in the criminal justice system at a prison here in Florida. They are
integrating psychodrama with alternatives to violence work. Linda Condon
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "HV Psychodrama"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Sociatry81907
> Marion Chase, the mama of dance therapy, had an interesting and
> successful way of working with deeply disturbed people. She began moving
> with the client exactly as s/he moved, and only after she had done this
> for a while did she begin to expand her own movement, incrementally, to
> make it larger or to move it in a different direction. She began by
> joining, and making small changes so the client would move along with her,
> rather than rejecting her movements. She helped them expand their movement
> repertoire.
>
> I think there is a parallel to what you are saying, here, Adam.
>
> In addition, I would like to know, specifically, what people are doing
> with action methods to address environmental, political, social, economic,
> etc. concerns....Herb Propper has been recently writing to Grouptalk
> about taking action methods into the Muslim culture of Bangladesh. I know
> Susan Aaron has been working with Six Nations folks up in Canada. Mary
> Bellafatto has used action methods to help with reconciliation on Africa.
> Who else?
> Is there anyone out there out there working outside the
> psychotherapuetic model, using action methods to address
> socio/political/environmental issues here in the US or abroad?
>
> Rebecca
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Blatner"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:26 AM
> Subject: Sociatry81907
>
>
>>
>>
>> Dear Ed, I certainly respect your social concern. I just question the
>> value of
>> re-stating the degree of trouble we're in and noting all its
>> permutations. It seems as if
>> you're shouting, but as I say, my preference is to focus more on specific
>> remedies.
>> Really, we're talking about consciousness raising, and including ecology
>> as part of our
>> circle of concern. The next question is, how can we best do this?
>> My approach is to help people strengthen their capacity to address
>> issues, to
>> foster responsibility by increasing their
>>>> ability to respond. I hope to do this by broadening their role
>>>> repertoire through
>>>> including action, sociodramatic techniques, as part of learning. Most
>>>> folks don't know
>>>> how to role reverse, for example; there's a knack to extending the
>>>> imagination this
>>>> way.
>> I hope to promote the use of role theory as a user-friendly
>> language for
>> psychology. The world needs to know how to integrate the best insights of
>> psychology and
>> this is more difficult if there's too much weird jargon.
>> Other goals are noted on my website biography. All these are aimed
>> at strengthening
>> the infrastructure.
>> Approaching it from another angle: I think people tend to avoid thinking
>> about that which
>> they cannot think about. Sretching more than a little bit is
>> experienced as overloading.
>> This is true in sports physiology and psychology, too. In psychology,
>> Vygotsky talks about
>> learning at what he calls the Zone of Proximal Development. I call it the
>> edge. Folks
>> don't learn beyond that zone or edge-region. We can gradually expand that
>> region. (This
>> also relates to the principle of warming-up, but taken to a broader
>> perspective.) We can
>> strengthen the "infra-structure" of skills, knowledge, and attitude.
>> That's where I see
>> many of Moreno's contributions having a common denominator.
>> Shouting about the urgency of the problem, though, may be
>> counter-productive. Faced
>> with the threat of what is experienced by the limbic system as threat,
>> shame, guilt,
>> punishment, the mind shuts down.
>> So I focus on tiny steps, what can be done. This also partakes of (of
>> all people) B.
>> F. Skinner's principles of operant
>> conditioning as part of learning theory: Break it down into small steps,
>> relatively easy
>> achievements; and reinforce each step.
>> What do you think? Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:30:53 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Other uses...
To: "ASGPP Listserv" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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Thanks for everyone's responses. Sounds like we have been using our method
in all sorts of venues...I have used action methods (mostly sociometry and
sociodrama) with playback theater groups, staff of domestic violence
shelters and a large group of teachers, counselors and teaching assistants
at an alternative highschool...in all cases helping the groups bond better
and address interpersonal and inter role conflict. Also bibliodrama with
fifth graders at a local synagogue...
The there is also Laura Chasin's work that helps folks with very opposing
viewpoints actually talk to one another...
Can someone who is in touch with Mary Bellafatto ask her to let us know
something about what she does in Africa?
Rebecca
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From: Edward Schreiber
To: ASGPP Listserv
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: Fwd: Other uses...
Begin forwarded message:
From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
Date: August 21, 2007 10:04:15 PM EDT
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Other uses...
Also I would add that besides action methods, I am interested in people
who have been
able to decipher, refine, think through the complexity of Moreno's
theory about sociatry
and how to apply it as well. Change is often a process of action
phases, as we know
from stages of change work.
Best,
Ed
On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:27 AM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
I am very curious about where and how folks are using psychodrama and
sociometry outside the psychotherapeutic/recovery world. Not theoretically,
but actually doing it....
Any one care to share?
Rebecca Walters
Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
68 DuBois Road
New Paltz, NY 12561
Ph: (845) 255 7502
E-mail: hvpi at hvc.rr.com
Visit us at our website: http://www.hvpi.net
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:48:16 -0400
From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Other uses...
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Cc: ASGPP Listserv <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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Adam and I have worked with a team of psychologists, social workers,
counselors for about 2 years,
teaching them how to work with families in conflict, introducing
creativity. This was different to the extent
that the material (doubling, role reversal, the social atom, self
presentation, surplus reality) were taught
as educational instruments and we helped people to learn how to use
them for themselves.
I also have a theory paper completed - being published in a Journal
of Psychodrama in Central Europe.
I would be happy to share this theory-paper if anyone is interested.
Just send an email to me off-channel.
Oh, I head to Nova Scotia today to listen to the silence of nature.
Best,
Ed
On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:30 AM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
> Thanks for everyone's responses. Sounds like we have been using our
> method in all sorts of venues...I have used action methods (mostly
> sociometry and sociodrama) with playback theater groups, staff of
> domestic violence shelters and a large group of teachers,
> counselors and teaching assistants at an alternative
> highschool...in all cases helping the groups bond better and
> address interpersonal and inter role conflict. Also bibliodrama
> with fifth graders at a local synagogue...
>
> The there is also Laura Chasin's work that helps folks with very
> opposing viewpoints actually talk to one another...
>
>
> Can someone who is in touch with Mary Bellafatto ask her to let us
> know something about what she does in Africa?
>
> Rebecca
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Schreiber
> To: ASGPP Listserv
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:04 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Other uses...
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>> Date: August 21, 2007 10:04:15 PM EDT
>> To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: Other uses...
>>
>> Also I would add that besides action methods, I am interested in
>> people who have been
>> able to decipher, refine, think through the complexity of Moreno's
>> theory about sociatry
>> and how to apply it as well. Change is often a process of action
>> phases, as we know
>> from stages of change work.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:27 AM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
>>
>>> I am very curious about where and how folks are using psychodrama
>>> and sociometry outside the psychotherapeutic/recovery world. Not
>>> theoretically, but actually doing it....
>>> Any one care to share?
>>> Rebecca Walters
>>>
>>>
>>> Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute
>>> 68 DuBois Road
>>> New Paltz, NY 12561
>>>
>>> Ph: (845) 255 7502
>>> E-mail: hvpi at hvc.rr.com
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:40:55 +0000
From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
Subject: Uses outside of therapy
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Cc: Linda Ciotola <vegmom at closecall.com>
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Crystal and others,
I so agree with you about deepening ones spirituality.
The question today is-How can we create more spiritually intelligent
leadership? We all have the collective responsibility of continuing the
works of our creator to become all that we can be and not be limited by the
cultural conserves of society. How can pscyhodrama be used outside of
therapy?
In these times of crisis, more spirituality is needed as well as faith in
the human element. "SQ, our spiritual intelligence quotient, underpins IQ
and EQ. Spiritual intelligence is ability to access higher meanings, values,
abiding purposes, and unconscious aspects of the self and to embed these
meanings, values, and purposes in living a richer and more creative
life.Signs of high SQ include an ability to think out of the box, humility,
and an access to energies that come from something beyond the ego, beyond
just me and my day-to-day concerns. SQ is the ultimate intelligence of the
visionaryleader. It was the intelligence that guided men and women like
Churchill, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr., and Mother
Teresa. The secret of their leadership was their ability to inspire people,
to give them a sense of something worth struggling for." (Zohar, 2005)
Souldrama as an outgrowth of psychodrama is important because it helps one
to deepen ones spirituality by giving psychodrama structure. It seems to be
one of the first methods to give pscyhodrma structure therefore helping one
to deepen ones spirituality. As John Rowan, who I have been communicating
with, says , psychodrama "touches the transpersonal but not in any
structured way".
Souldrama is structured into three levels of development passing from the
rational through the emotional through the spiritual level of
intelligences.Each level has two stages or veils to pass through.The stages
are sequential and each time a person completes all six they remain in a
level of integration and transformation until they repeat the stages all
over again. Psychodramatically based, it is intended to be used as multi
disciplinary training system that combines the mind, body and spirit to
create a therapeutic energy within a group process to foster spontaneity and
creativity. Souldrama allows the soul to become a co-creator in a person's
life and this is the soul's mission to co create.Psychodrama makes the
expansion of reality possible by methods not used in life.Souldrama takes
this one step further by providing a circular model and structure to
integrate through all three intelligencesto align the ego and soul. It is a
co creation with psychodrama.
It is strange that in my own community of psychodramatists, this process has
been often disregarded and looked upon as "new agey" and supported so little
except by a few other psychodramatsits. When I do a training in Souldrama, I
invite all of you to take the opportunity to attend. If you want to hand out
my flyers, I will send some to you and I will be happy to have the attendees
come back from your area to you to get the training they need in
psychodrama.
Recently this process has been written up in the attached flyer, New
Advances in Therapy, June 2007 Published by Routledge as one of the first
international efforts to combine the new advances in therapy and the Korean
Journal of Group Psychotherapy June 2007 as well as the International
Journal of Action methods. Winter 2000. My book Souldrama: A journey into
the heart of God has been published in Brazil and America. I have just
comopleted two interviews in Brazil about psychodrama and souldrama.
You may want to review any of these articles. This is a perfect time for
east to meet west as I was just invited to Indonesia to present Souldrama to
all the universities and all pastors in Indonesia in Aug 2009.
Blessings, Connie Miller TEP,NCC,LPC
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:25:25 -0400
From: "Adam M. Barcroft" <amb1 at hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Rowe MA Workshop: Barcroft Bio Correction and Sociatry
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For those of you who read the Rowe advertisement for Ed Schreiber and
Adam Barcroft,
there is a correction in Adam Barcroft's biography that needs to be
addressed.
The corrected information regarding Rosalie Minkin's forthcoming
sociodrama book is simply this:
Barcroft is editing Minkin's forthcoming book "SOCIODRAMA FOR OUR TIME."
As for the Grouptalk discussion about Sociatry,
I am grateful for the heat in the room,
and if I had more time I would like to enter this discussion.
Also, even as I learn the role of being bold,
I like feeling safe on the sidelines, much better than feeling (not
being!) intimidated,
especially surrounded by such knowledgeable, experienced professionals.
I really enjoy watching the conversation, as I warm up at various
times to joining in.
On Grouptalk I love learning how to walk onto the stage,
and still be myself, with integrity,
anytime, anywhere, my will and technology permits,
I hope we find also that the ASGPP Forums provide another way
of representing our perspectives on Sociatry.
Thanks to all who are adding to the discussion of Sociatry here
and in the "What is Sociatry" and ASGPP "Sociatry" Forums.
Adam
Adam M. Barcroft MS, MA, NCC
Co-Director
The Moreno Institute East
Work(413) 625-8322/Cell413 695-6666
Fax: 413 625-8322
www.MorenoInstituteEast.org
amb at MorenoInstituteEast.org
"Social Science for the boardroom,
the classroom, and the living room."
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:04 EDT
From: SaphiraL at aol.com
Subject: Re: Uses outside of therapy
To: connie at souldrama.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: SaphiraL at aol.com, vegmom at closecall.com
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Dear Psychodramatists,
I have used psychodrama in many "outside" venues ever since I studied with
the Morenos in the late 1960s. First, about spirituality and the
Transpersonal. At the same time I was working with the Morenos, I was
studying
metaphysics and practicing meditation and have been a Sufi (wisdom
underneath all
religion) meditation teacher now for 36 years. I always saw JL as a
spiritually
oriented teacher (after all he wanted to start a new religion) and Zerka I
always felt as walking the talk of an authentic spiritual teacher.My
colleague
Penny Lewis (a dance and drama therapist, who also had a Jungian
background)
and I began a Transpersonal Drama Therapy Certificate program in Boston 8
years
ago, overtly working with spirituality and a transpersonal perspective.
Penny (now deceased) had studied with Robert Siroka way back, just after I
studied with the Morenos. Both of us really valued psychodrama and have
required
our drama therapy students to do more psychodrama training than our
national
organization does as well as approaching all of our training from a
transpersonal perspective. I have decided to apply to sit for the CP exam
(which I never
did back then) in order to help bridge the drama therapy and psychodrama
worlds. They are very integrated inside of me and I hope that will be
possible
with many others of us.
In the 1970s and 1980s our theater company was working with special needs
children in the dysfunctional schools in Boston (torn apart from the racial
prejudice overtly manifested through out the school system). As a theater
company, we went into the schools under the guise of theater and the arts to
reach
students who were disabled physically, learning disabled, economically
disabled and unsupported in school and of course emotionally disabled.
Through non
competitive theater games and later mini psychodramas, our students had new
inspiration to learn. We then did programs bringing urban and suburban
highschool students together and did wonderful psychodramatic work on their
oral
histories.Different adolescent students of one ethnic background enacted
the
story of another student's ethnic background which were eventually
perfomed-
an exquisite translation and use of role reversal. We were the first
theater
company to be allowed into the schools for such a project during school
time,
integrating the experience into the curriculum. It was very successful as we
involved and trained the teachers as well as students.
Then, we did management consulting in the corporate world, using
psychodrama
techniques in team building. goal setting. empathy training, visioning and
stragegic planning and in many other venues over the years. Some of these
projects are documented in CURRENT APPROACHES IN DRAMA THERAPY, Lewis and
Johnson, Charles Thomas, 2000.
When Drama Therapy became a field, which incorporated psychodrama and also
worked with other theater modalities in the service of healing, new
opportunities presented themselves.
I am trying to write a book about our transpersonal approach to drama
therapy including psychodrama.
For those of you who have been using a transpersonal approach, I would love
to dialogue with you. Connie, I see you have. I wonder about others.
If anyone is interested, please check out our website:
_www.omegatheater.org_
(http://www.omegatheater.org)
I am enjoying immersing myself again in the history, theory and
methodologies of psychodrama, sociodrama, sociomentry and group
psychotherapy in
preparation for the exam. I would like to get to know more of you. Anyone
interested
in transpersonal approaches to psychodrama, please be in touch.
Best Wishes,
Saphira Linden,MA, RDT/BCT, LCAT
For more information contact:
Omega Theater at 617-522-8300 or email: _info at omegatheater.o_
(mailto:info at omegatheater.org) rg
Omega Transpersonal Drama Therapy Certificate Program
On the web: _http://www.omegatheater.org/_ (http://www.omegatheater.org/)
41 Greenough Ave,
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (In Boston)
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