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Fri Dec 28 20:32:10 CST 2007

Dear Bud

I did like to read your comments about the rich nature of the phemomena
observed  while in the constellations, since working with "incognito
auxiliaries" (a new technique) we observe the evidence of this "knowing
field", that I tend to call co-unconscious, where the information is more
visible as a wave then as a particle.in the relation as in the individual
who are playing auxiliaries.

I like to integrate it with classical psychodrama and allow the role
revearsal too and the embodiment of a grounded protagonist

I looks forward to meet you eye-to-eye..

Warmly,

manuela

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De: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] Em
nome de BARNETT WEISS
Enviada: sexta-feira, 28 de Dezembro de 2007 3:43
Para: Adam Blatner; James Sacks
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
Assunto: Re: sourcequote

Dear et al:

In response to the following of Adam's comment:

"I focus instead on building an infrastructure of concepts and skills hoping
that, 
for example, the skill of role reversing will be known, practiced, and
become a social 
norm before the end of this century, at least in dominant world cultures. I
imagine scores 
if not hundreds of such "building blocks" that would, in their aggregate,
serve as a 
foundation for authentic progress".

I would comment that while there is no question that we have all seen how
this capacity bo be able to sense the other is vital for decent caring human
relationships, this method appears too slow and inefficient in comparison to
others which are now available in my estimation even though it is ancient as
in "Walk a mile in the other's mocasins before judging them." 

When you see a group of people warmed up well by an experienced person doing
constellation work, over the course of a few hours, people have actually
moved in and out of several role dyads deeply involed in learning what it
feels like to be stuck in the worst aspects of those dyads and then
experience healing in them as well. 

Role reversal seems to me to be a far more manipulated form and while there
is a great deal of learning that can take place in that process especially
when it is sought out or truly welcomed voluntarily by the protagonist or
anyone really interested, it is often enforced on a less than willing
protagonist in the pressure of the group situation. I do not dispute that
even in the most coerced of situations like working with Gang menbers in the
street or in prison, or a mental hospital, much learning can take place even
with a coerced ( Shamed or challenged on the street) role reversal. There is
no coersion at all the case when you are playing a role in someone's
constellation. Anything that you feel or do is supported as part of what
they have come to call the "Knowing Field." When utilized by a decent
practitioner since the protagonist watches from the sidelines usually until
the very end, they even have the opportunity to reject or allow in the
possible insights coming from the person taking that particular role and
further more process their own resistance if any to allowing that counter
spontaneity to move them.  

In some ways, this is similar to what Boal uses in his Rainbow of Desire
which allows for so much more immediate participation and direct action
learning by the audiance or in psychodrama where the protagonist watches or
receives the actions and approaches of a number of people trying different
ways of interacting with someone in the protagonists life with whom they are
stuck or feel defeated by and then chooses one that seems to work and gets
coaching in acting that way. This is basic role training at it's best and I
think that constellation work utilizing some of this could become even more
efficient; If recorded and distributed, it could be huge as is the case with
well run broadly done psychodramas, sociodramas or other such were they
recorded and distributed as life learning tools. 

I'm working at it. 

Blessings all, Bud
Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com> wrote:

Hi Jim, Ed & all,
With great respect, Jim, I am pretty sure Moreno never alluded to the limbic
system, 
and wonder if he even had heard about it. As for limbic resonance, that's a
more "in" term 
since Dan Goleman's book, "Social Intelligence" came out about 2 years ago.

My skepticism applies to all forms of hyperbole, involving especially words
such as 
"completely," "fully," "true" "pure," and the like, which to me represent an
asymptotic 
limit, like perfection and the speed of light. I see phenomena in psychology
and social 
psychology as operating in a relative spectrum, more than some, less than
others.
For example, I wonder if humanity will ever achieve even 50% of its "full"
potential 
or be "fully" evolved as a species within the next few hundred years---or
(gulp!) before 
it lapses backward in the crisis of ecological catastrophe.
With such a view---i.e., that humanity is far from even moderately
evolved---I am 
hesitant about many idealistic writings that also come out of new age
literature. Noble 
aspirations seem to me to be an unconscious striving, as if aspiring to a
high enough goal 
will magically circumvent the hard work that it might require to even get
one step 
further.
I focus instead on building an infrastructure of concepts and skills, hoping
that, 
for example, the skill of role reversing will be known, practiced, and
become a social 
norm before the end of this century, at least in dominant world cultures. I
imagine scores 
if not hundreds of such "building blocks" that would, in their aggregate,
serve as a 
foundation for authentic progress.

But, anyway, back to the student's essay---I do find it quite plausible that
a 
bright student would come up with such a paragraph. Warmly, Adam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Sacks" 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:24 PM
Re: An interesting quote

> Dear Ed,
> I hate to be a downer but if this is not the usual writing style of the
student I would 
> bet that a computer search of Moreno's works would find this quote in a
nanosecond. Ask 
> the student exactly what s/he means by "limbic resonance and regulations".
Jim the 
> Cynic
>
Ed wrote shortly before:
Dear Colleagues,
I am reading the final papers from a class I teach on psychodrama at a
University 
Graduate School. Here's a quote from one of the papers. Really amazing I
feel. Best, 
Ed
>>
"A true encounter is engendered from the intimate connections of limbic
resonance and 
regulations which occur between life forms and is the moment of truly seeing
and feeling 
the other, and the self in the other, which bonds us as members of a living
symbolic 
world. In honoring these encounters, we can together create new cultural
conserves which 
serve the whole of humanity."

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