Thanks Annath for the kids definitions of love you send us : ListDigest, Vol 8, Issue 17
Manuela Maciel
manuelamaciel at mail.telepac.pt
Fri Feb 16 06:28:49 CST 2007
Anne
Just to clarify: Which Clare`s private session do you say that I have talked
so much at the internet?!
Thank you
Manuela
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De: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] Em
nome de Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
Enviada: quinta-feira, 15 de Fevereiro de 2007 21:34
Para: list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger; iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com; JPA
Jean-Philippe Azaïs; Anne Secretariat.Paris.PC
Assunto: Thanks Annath for the kids definitions of love you send us :
ListDigest, Vol 8, Issue 17
Thanks Annath for the kids definitions of love you send us : List Digest,
Vol 8, Issue 17
I loved it
and more about sharing or limits about sharing and Shoppenhauer's hedgehogs
metaphore (from Anne)
Patricia Desert wrote =
From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
Subject: Re: About Clare To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
"Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt
"and felt offended by concerns around confidentiality.
"You obviously were speaking from your hearts with
"your loving reflections on Clare's last days at Boughton.
"You offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences
"and I never doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
"Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be a
"peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested.
"I know during my years of psychodrama training that
"before every workshop, whether with peers or clients,
"everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality.
"That meant that we agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in
the group.
"That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group and
to do some very painful work as a student.
"On the other hand, I lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard people
talking
"about the experiences of others in a group without permission from those
persons.
"This got a bit triggered when I read your email about Clare's work." ([end
of quotation ]
- - -
I(Anne) agree completely with this part of the message
and with what Rebecca write a few times recently-
and or BUT
what ever Clare meant by wanting others to know more about her,
only she could telle us what she had in mind -
and how much to be shared, and how much should remain private-
and I do know that one understand what other people say
throught the filter of our own ways of seeing and thinking,
in our different sociological- cultural context of our upbringing --
wich is usually different from what they do say
(as we learned in communication theory and "feed back" research)
Thus I was unesay of so much sharing of really private things,
that happened inside a small friendly group -
and shared widely on internet,grouptalk and psychodrama net,
where there are so many different persons,
peers and onlookers and what ever
- about such a private person as Clare was
I am very sorry that Manuela felt hurt - as all was done in good will and
heart-
and because I do like Manuela -
and I am very sorry she wrote so much about Ckare's private session on
internet
It makes me so very, very uneasy
Someone wrote here below or these days
that one could think about what one would like to be shared or not after
one's death
So I dfid the exercize for myself :
I am 87 and in very bad physical conditions -
and I would hate to just imagine that some person who were at my nearly
death bedside
could share what was private with indifferent persons on internet-
there are so many things that could be said and shared, without this
private, private session)
Sorry, Folks, this give me a bad feeling in the mouth and in the heart
and I would say,
don't you think that there was enough of scolding on internet
after Clare's death, and it is time to stop all this
and just say
we all make mistakes (and me also, of course)
and nobody knows eactly what the other thinks and want,
and it is time to stop quarelling and blaming and "mind reading" about
others
I am re-reading Yalom's "Shoppenhauer cure "
and he writes beautifully about death in a therapy group
and it reminds me of
Shoppenhaurer metaphore
a story
"The little hedgehogs were cold, they got neared
They got nearer, and hurt each other
They hurt and went away
They went away and got cold
They got cold and tried to get close together
They got close and hurt each other
they got hurt .... and
etc etc etc
Let us not go on hurting each other, real psychodrama family or not
an old timer of groupwork and psychodrama
Anne (87, very unwell, Paris, France, in psychodrama since 1951-
and as I aml translating this from French, if you want,
look at my webbsite and you shall see it in good French,
the little hedgehogs, "les petits herrissons"
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Le 15 févr. 07 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of List digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: About Clare (PATRICIA DESERT)
2. Re: About Clare (Connie Miller)
3. Re: About Clare (HV Psychodrama)
4. What is Love? (thana ag)
5. Re: About Clare (Adam Blatner)
6. RE: About Clare (Karen Carnabucci)
7. Re: A response for a grieving community from an attenedee
(drkatetsi at mac.com)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:37:15 -0500
From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
Subject: Re: About Clare To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10E1F4B95C48B91F9AD17EC9970 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt offended
by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were speaking from your
hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's last days at Boughton. You
offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences and I never
doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be a
peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during my years of
psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether with peers or
clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant
that we agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group and to
do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a sense
of trust and safety when I heard people talking about the experiences of
others in a group without permission from those persons. This got a bit
triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share her experiences
with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person who did not talk very
much about herself. I love that she wanted us to know her more, and I thank
you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such a gentle and loving
community-wide way. And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of
my misunderstandings.
Patti Desert
Baltimore, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Miller<mailto:connie at souldrama.com>
To: list at grouptalkweb.org<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
Cc:
iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com<mailto:iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: About Clare
About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get to know
her more on a personal level. She realized how little we knew of her
personally and wanted to share herself. I do not feel that we broke
confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her wishes. She was not a client but
a good friend to all. I also want you to know that in the ceremony we
included the entire psychodrama community and the love you shared and all
the blessings that occurred on the stage that she so worked so hard to
maintain. She watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would appreciate and
love that.
More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster peace
and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her community being in
disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while she was alive.
If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated her life
to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among us.
Connie Miller
Grouptalk mailing list
List at grouptalkweb.org
http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:27:37 +0000
From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
Subject: Re: About Clare
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <W883662800152081171488457 at webmail25>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
? Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to know
her more and that she regretted being so private, we never would have shared
what we did. I also assume that our group list shares a confidentiality
among peers. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt offended
by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were speaking from your
hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's last days at Boughton. You
offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences and I never
doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be a
peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during my years of
psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether with peers or
clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant
that we agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group and to
do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a sense of
trust and safety when I heard people talking about the experiences of others
in a group without permission from those persons. This got a bit triggered
when I read your email about Clare's work.
So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share her experiences
with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person who did not talk very
much about herself. I love that she wanted us to know her more, and I thank
you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such a gentle and loving
community-wide way. And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of
my misunderstandings.
Patti Desert
Baltimore, MD
----- Original Message -----
From:Connie Miller
To:list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc:iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: About Clare
About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get to know her
more on a personal level. She realized how little we knew of her personally
and wanted to share herself. I do not feel that we broke confiedentaillity
or ethics by honoring her wishes. She was not a client but a good friend to
all. I also want you to know that in the ceremony we included the entire
psychodrama community and the love you shared and all the blessings that
occurred on the stage that she so worked so hard to maintain. She watched
the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would appreciate and
love that.
More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster peace
and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her community being in
disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while she was alive.
If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated her life to
and that was peace so let there be peace and love among us.
Connie Miller
Grouptalk mailing list
List at grouptalkweb.org
http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:27:53 -0500
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: About Clare
To: <connie at souldrama.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <001501c75087$5e8a56c0$6401a8c0 at rebecca>
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Dear Connie,
You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our group list
shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I would not assume that
all are peers as there may be trainers and trainees, grad students curious
about the work, and lurkers of whom we know nothing. This is not a private
listserve but open to anyone who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really
doesn't represent the psychodrama community but only the community of people
who belong to grouptalk.
As for individual commitments to confidentiality...this list serve has
been a place to share ideas and announcements, not the sort of things that I
never thought needed to be kept confidential. Quite the contrary, I have
brought many of the discussions to my training groups to further stimulate
conversation. When I have written about my work, I have tried to avoid
identifying details precisely exactly because I don't expect
confidentiality.
This internet thing is relatively new to us all. I would be curious to
know if others see a list serve as a place to share confidential material.
If so, don't we need to make a overt commitment to such confidentiality? So
that everyone is on the same page about it. Or maybe we need to continue to
assume that as this listserve it is NOT a confidential forum, and act
accordingly.
What do people think?
Rebecca
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Miller
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: About Clare
?
Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to know
her more and that she regretted being so private, we never would have shared
what we did. I also assume that our group list shares a confidentiality
among peers. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt
offended by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were speaking
from your hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's last days at
Boughton. You offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences
and I never doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be
a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during my years of
psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether with peers or
clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant
that we agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group and to
do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a sense
of trust and safety when I heard people talking about the experiences of
others in a group without permission from those persons. This got a bit
triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share her
experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person who did not
talk very much about herself. I love that she wanted us to know her more,
and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such a gentle
and loving community-wide way. And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as
a result of my misunderstandings.
Patti Desert
Baltimore, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Miller
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: About Clare
About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get to know
her more on a personal level. She realized how little we knew of her
personally and wanted to share herself. I do not feel that we broke
confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her wishes. She was not a client but
a good friend to all. I also want you to know that in the ceremony we
included the entire psychodrama community and the love you shared and all
the blessings that occurred on the stage that she so worked so hard to
maintain. She watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would appreciate and
love that.
More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster
peace and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her community
being in disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while she was alive.
If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated her
life to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among us.
Connie Miller
Grouptalk mailing list
List at grouptalkweb.org
http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:31:18 +0000
From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
Subject: What is Love?
To: list at grouptalkweb.org, anathgar at gmail.com
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Hello everyone. . Happy Valentines day!
---
WHAT IS LOVE?
Hello Dear One,
In honor of Valentine's day...and tom celebrate Clare , here
is something to sweeten our day :
What does Love mean?
A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8
 year-olds, "What does love mean?"
The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have
imagined. See what you think:
Â
"When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint
her toenails anymore.
Â
So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his hands got
arthritis too. That's love."
Â
Rebecca- age 8
Â
"When someone loves you, the way they say
your name is different.
You just know that your name is safe in their mouth."
Â
 Billy - age 4
"Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on shaving cologne
and they go out and smell each other."
 Karl - age 5
"Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most of your French
fries without making them give you any of theirs."
 Chrissy - age 6
"Love is what makes you smile when you're tired."
Terri - age 4
"Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and she takes a sip
before
giving it to him, to make sure the taste is OK."
Â
 Danny - age 7
"Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of
kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more.
My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when they kiss"
Â
Emily - age 8
"Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening
presents and listen."
Â
Bobby - age 7 (Wow!)
"If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend
who you hate,"
Â
Nikka - age 6
Â
 (we need a few million more Nikka's on this planet)
 "Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then he wears it
everyday."
Noelle - age 7
Â
Â
 "Love is like a little old woman and a little
old man who are still
friends even after they know each other so well."
Â
Tommy - age 6
 "During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was scared. I looked
at all the people watching me and saw my daddy waving and smiling.
Â
He was the only one doing that. I wasn't scared anymore."
Â
 Cindy - age 8
"My mommy loves me more than anybody
Â
You don't see anyone else kissing me to sleep at night."
Â
 Clare - age 6
"Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of chicken."
Â
Elaine-age 5
Â
 "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and still says he is
handsomer than Robert Redford."
Â
Chris - age 7
 "Love is when your puppy licks your face even after you left him alone
all day"
Â
Mary Ann - age 4
 "I know my older sister loves me because she gives me all her old
clothes and has to go out and buy new ones."
Â
Lauren - age 4
 "When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down and little stars
become out of you." (what an image)
Â
Karen - age 7
Â
 "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she doesn't think it's
gross."
Â
Mark - age 6
Â
"You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you
mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget."
Â
 Jessica - age 8
Â
Â
Â
And the final one -- Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked
about a contest he was asked to judge.
Â
The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child.
Â
The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an
 elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.
Â
Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's
yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there.
Â
 When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy
said, "Nothing, I just helped him cry."
..
Happy Valentine 's Day,
anath
=======
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:58:39 -0600
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: About Clare
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org
not confidential. You're right, Rebecca. warmly, adam
=====
-- Original Message - From: HV Psychodrama To: connie at souldrama.com ;
list at grouptalkweb.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie,
You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our group list
shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I would not assume that
all are peers as there may be trainers and trainees, grad students curious
about the work, and lurkers of whom we know nothing. This is not a private
listserve but open to anyone who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really
doesn't represent the psychodrama community but only the community of people
who belong to grouptalk.
As for individual commitments to confidentiality...
this list serve has been a place to share ideas and announcements,
not the sort of things that I never thought needed to be kept confidential.
Quite the contrary, I have brought many of the discussions to my training
groups to further stimulate conversation.
When I have written about my work,
I have tried to avoid identifying details precisely exactly because I don't
expect confidentiality.
This internet thing is relatively new to us all.
I would be curious to know if others see a list serve as a place to share
confidential material.
If so, don't we need to make a overt commitment to such confidentiality?
So that everyone is on the same page about it.
Or maybe we need to continue to assume that as this listserve it is NOT a
confidential forum,
and act accordingly.
What do people think?
Rebecca
=====
- Original Message - From: Connie Miller To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM - Subject: Re: About Clare ?
Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to know her
more and that she regretted being so private, we never would have shared
what we did. I also assume that our group list shares a confidentiality
among peers. Thanks
===+==
-Original Message- From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt
and felt offended by concerns around confidentiality.
You obviously were speaking from your hearts with your loving r
eflections on Clare's last days at Boughton. You offered such a beautiful
description of Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you both were
coming from a loving place.
Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work
may be a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested.
I know during my years of psychodrama training that before
every workshop, whether with peers or clients, everyone was asked
to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant that we agreed to
refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group
and to do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand,
I lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard people talking about
the experiences of others in a group without permission from those persons.
This got a bit triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to
share her experiences with us.
I only knew Clare as a very private person who did not talk very much about
herself.
I love that she wanted us to know her more,
and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such a gentle
and loving community-wide way.
And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of my
misunderstandings.
Patti Desert
Baltimore, MD
====
-- Original Message - From: Connie Miller
To: list at grouptalkweb.org Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 A Subject: About Clare
About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get to know
her more on a personal level.
She realized how little we knew of her personally and wanted to share
herself.
I do not feel that we broke confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her
wishes.
She was not a client but a good friend to all. I also want you to know that
in
the ceremony we included the entire psychodrama community
and the love you shared and all the blessings that occurred on the stage
that she so worked so hard to maintain.
She watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would appreciate and
love that.
More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster peace
and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her community being in
disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while she was alive.
If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated her life
to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among us.
Connie Miller
Grouptalk mailing list
List at grouptalkweb.org
http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:20:09 -0500
From: "Karen Carnabucci" <karen at companionsinhealing.com> Subject: RE: About
Clare
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
I also belong to a social workers discussion list that is similar to
Grouptalk. Periodically someone wants to have feedback on a difficult or
unsual situation with a client. The system we use on that list is that the
message goes to the list owner who then sends the messsage to the whole
list, without naming the practitioner, the city or town or anything else
that might identify the client(s) in a specific way. I've posted a couple of
questions on that list from time to time and the feedback has been very
helpful.
I know this is not quite the same situation with Clare; however, Rebecca
makes a very good point -- there are all kinds of people on this list, from
TEP to someone who's just curious about psychodrama, maybe even former
clients or trainees. I am sure there are many people on this list who never
even knew Clare and haven't heard of Boughton Place. Confidentiality is NOT
possible, I believe, in these circumstances and for so many reasons. We
don't know who will forward what to whom with a press of a key --and who
will forward after that -- and the messages are also archived for anyone,
including future Grouptalk subscribers, to review later.
Clare has served a very important, though quiet, role in our psychodrama
community as faithful steward of Boughton Place, equally faithful keeper of
the Moreno Stage and promoter of psychodrama, ecological conservation and
social justice.
It seems that her passing is now offering many of us to think about and talk
about some important issues
including the need for memorializing and honoring,
the communication methods of these group lists,
the possibility of hurt feelings, and confidentialty, and more.
Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
Companions In Healing
Lake House Health & Learning Center
932 Lake Ave.
Racine, WI 53403 - (262) 633-2645
karen at companionsinhealing.com
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On Behalf Of HV Psychodrama
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:28 PM To: connie at souldrama.com;
list at grouptalkweb.org
Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie,
You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our group list
shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I would not assume that
all are peers as there may be trainers and trainees, grad students curious
about the work, and lurkers of whom we know nothing. This is not a private
listserve but open to anyone who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really
doesn't represent the psychodrama community but only the community of people
who belong to grouptalk.
As for individual commitments to confidentiality...
this list serve has been a place to share ideas and announcements,
not the sort of things that I never thought needed to be kept confidential.
Quite the contrary, I have brought many of the discussions to my training
groups
to further stimulate conversation. When I have written about my work,
I have tried to avoid identifying details precisely exactly
because I don't expect confidentiality.
This internet thing is relatively new to us all. I would be curious to know
if others see a list serve as a place to share confidential material. If so,
don't we need to make a overt commitment to such confidentiality? So that
everyone is on the same page about it. Or maybe we need to continue to
assume that as this listserve it is NOT a confidential forum, and act
accordingly.
What do people think?
Rebecca
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-- Original Message - From: Connie Miller <mailto:connie at souldrama.com>
To: list at grouptalkweb.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: About Clare ?
Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to know her
more and that she regretted being so private, we never would have shared
what we did. I also assume that our group list shares a confidentiality
among peers. Thanks
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-Original Message-From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
To: list at grouptalkweb.org Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: About Clare
Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt offended
by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were speaking from your
hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's last days at Boughton. You
offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences and I never
doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer
work may be a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during
my years of psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether with
peers or clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality.
That meant that we agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in
the group. That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the
group and to do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand, I
lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard people talking about the
experiences of others in a group without permission from those persons.
This got a bit triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to
share her experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person
who did not talk very much about herself. I love that she wanted us to know
her more, and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such
a gentle and loving community-wide way. And I sincerely regret any hurt you
felt as a result of my misunderstandings.
Patti Desert
Baltimore, MD
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Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne (Paris et ailleurs)
Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
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Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Anne.Schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
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