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2007 à Paris (T)
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Le 16 févr. 07 à 13:28, Manuela Maciel a écrit :
>
>
> Anne
>
>
>
> Just to clarify: Which Clare`s private session do you say that I
> have talked so much at the internet?!
>
> Thank you
>
> Manuela
>
> De: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at grouptalkweb.org] Em nome de Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
> Enviada: quinta-feira, 15 de Fevereiro de 2007 21:34
> Para: list at grouptalkweb.org
> Cc: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger; iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com;
> JPA Jean-Philippe Azaïs; Anne Secretariat.Paris.PC
> Assunto: Thanks Annath for the kids definitions of love you send
> us : ListDigest, Vol 8, Issue 17
>
>
>
> Thanks Annath for the kids definitions of love you send us : List
> Digest, Vol 8, Issue 17
>
> I loved it
>
> and more about sharing or limits about sharing and Shoppenhauer's
> hedgehogs metaphore (from Anne)
>
>
>
> Patricia Desert wrote =
>
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> "Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt
>
> "and felt offended by concerns around confidentiality.
>
> "You obviously were speaking from your hearts with
>
> "your loving reflections on Clare's last days at Boughton.
>
> "You offered such a beautiful description of Clare's experiences
>
> "and I never doubted that you both were coming from a loving place.
>
>
>
> "Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be a
>
> "peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested.
>
> "I know during my years of psychodrama training that
>
> "before every workshop, whether with peers or clients,
>
> "everyone was asked to take a pledge of confidentiality.
>
> "That meant that we agreed to refrain from talking about what
> others did in the group.
>
> "That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the
> group and to do some very painful work as a student.
>
> "On the other hand, I lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard
> people talking
>
> "about the experiences of others in a group without permission from
> those persons.
>
> "This got a bit triggered when I read your email about Clare's
> work." ([end of quotation ]
>
> - - -
>
>
>
> I(Anne) agree completely with this part of the message
>
> and with what Rebecca write a few times recently-
>
> and or BUT
>
> what ever Clare meant by wanting others to know more about her,
>
> only she could telle us what she had in mind -
>
> and how much to be shared, and how much should remain private-
>
> and I do know that one understand what other people say
>
> throught the filter of our own ways of seeing and thinking,
>
> in our different sociological- cultural context of our upbringing --
>
> wich is usually different from what they do say
>
> (as we learned in communication theory and "feed back" research)
>
>
>
> Thus I was unesay of so much sharing of really private things,
>
> that happened inside a small friendly group -
>
> and shared widely on internet,grouptalk and psychodrama net,
>
> where there are so many different persons,
>
> peers and onlookers and what ever
>
> - about such a private person as Clare was
>
>
>
> I am very sorry that Manuela felt hurt - as all was done in good
> will and heart-
>
> and because I do like Manuela -
>
> and I am very sorry she wrote so much about Ckare's private
> session on internet
>
> It makes me so very, very uneasy
>
>
>
> Someone wrote here below or these days
>
> that one could think about what one would like to be shared or not
> after one's death
>
> So I dfid the exercize for myself :
>
> I am 87 and in very bad physical conditions -
>
> and I would hate to just imagine that some person who were at my
> nearly death bedside
>
> could share what was private with indifferent persons on internet-
>
> there are so many things that could be said and shared, without
> this private, private session)
>
>
>
> Sorry, Folks, this give me a bad feeling in the mouth and in the heart
>
>
>
> and I would say,
>
> don't you think that there was enough of scolding on internet
>
> after Clare's death, and it is time to stop all this
>
> and just say
>
> we all make mistakes (and me also, of course)
>
> and nobody knows eactly what the other thinks and want,
>
>
>
> and it is time to stop quarelling and blaming and "mind reading"
> about others
>
>
>
> I am re-reading Yalom's "Shoppenhauer cure "
>
> and he writes beautifully about death in a therapy group
>
>
>
> and it reminds me of
>
> Shoppenhaurer metaphore
>
> a story
>
> "The little hedgehogs were cold, they got neared
>
> They got nearer, and hurt each other
>
> They hurt and went away
>
> They went away and got cold
>
> They got cold and tried to get close together
>
> They got close and hurt each other
>
> they got hurt .... and
>
> etc etc etc
>
>
>
> Let us not go on hurting each other, real psychodrama family or not
>
>
>
> an old timer of groupwork and psychodrama
>
> Anne (87, very unwell, Paris, France, in psychodrama since 1951-
>
> and as I aml translating this from French, if you want,
>
> look at my webbsite and you shall see it in good French,
>
> the little hedgehogs, "les petits herrissons"
>
> =====
>
> Le 15 févr. 07 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>
> than "Re: Contents of List digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: About Clare (PATRICIA DESERT)
>
> 2. Re: About Clare (Connie Miller)
>
> 3. Re: About Clare (HV Psychodrama)
>
> 4. What is Love? (thana ag)
>> 5. Re: About Clare (Adam Blatner)
>>
>> 6. RE: About Clare (Karen Carnabucci)
>>
>> 7. Re: A response for a grieving community from an attenedee
>>
>> (drkatetsi at mac.com)
> =====
>
> ----------
>
> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:37:15 -0500
>
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV10E1F4B95C48B91F9AD17EC9970 at phx.gbl>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt
> offended by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were
> speaking from your hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's
> last days at Boughton. You offered such a beautiful description of
> Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you both were coming
> from a loving place.
>
>
>
> Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be
> a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during my
> years of psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether
> with peers or clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of
> confidentiality. That meant that we agreed to refrain from talking
> about what others did in the group. That gave me a strong measure
> of security to open myself to the group and to do some very painful
> work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a sense of trust and
> safety when I heard people talking about the experiences of others
> in a group without permission from those persons. This got a bit
> triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
>
>
>
> So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share her
> experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person who
> did not talk very much about herself. I love that she wanted us to
> know her more, and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to
> Clare in such a gentle and loving community-wide way. And I
> sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of my
> misunderstandings.
>
>
>
> Patti Desert
>
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Connie Miller<mailto:connie at souldrama.com>
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com<mailto:iagp-
> psychodrama at yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
>
> Subject: About Clare
>
>
>
>
>
> About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
>
>
>
>
>
> One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get
> to know her more on a personal level. She realized how little we
> knew of her personally and wanted to share herself. I do not feel
> that we broke confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her wishes.
> She was not a client but a good friend to all. I also want you to
> know that in the ceremony we included the entire psychodrama
> community and the love you shared and all the blessings that
> occurred on the stage that she so worked so hard to maintain. She
> watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
>
>
>
> Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting
> her confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would
> appreciate and love that.
>
>
>
> More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to
> foster peace and goodness and the last thing she would want now is
> her community being in disagreement about a ceremony honoring her
> while she was alive.
>
>
>
> If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated
> her life to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among
> us.
>
>
>
> Connie Miller
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
>
> List at grouptalkweb.org
>
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
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> Message: 2
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:27:37 +0000
>
> From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Message-ID: <W883662800152081171488457 at webmail25>
>
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>
>
> ? Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others
> to know her more and that she regretted being so private, we never
> would have shared what we did. I also assume that our group list
> shares a confidentiality among peers. Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
> Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt
> offended by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were
> speaking from your hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's
> last days at Boughton. You offered such a beautiful description of
> Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you both were coming
> from a loving place.
>
> Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work may be
> a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I know during my
> years of psychodrama training that before every workshop, whether
> with peers or clients, everyone was asked to take a pledge of
> confidentiality. That meant that we agreed to refrain from talking
> about what others did in the group. That gave me a strong measure
> of security to open myself to the group and to do some very painful
> work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a sense of trust and
> safety when I heard people talking about the experiences of others
> in a group without permission from those persons. This got a bit
> triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
>
> So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share her
> experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person who
> did not talk very much about herself. I love that she wanted us to
> know her more, and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to
> Clare in such a gentle and loving community-wide way. And I
> sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of my
> misunderstandings.
>
>
>
> Patti Desert
>
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:Connie Miller
>
> To:list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Cc:iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
>
> Subject: About Clare
>
>
>
>
>
> About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
>
>
>
>
>
> One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get to
> know her more on a personal level. She realized how little we knew
> of her personally and wanted to share herself. I do not feel that
> we broke confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her wishes. She
> was not a client but a good friend to all. I also want you to know
> that in the ceremony we included the entire psychodrama community
> and the love you shared and all the blessings that occurred on the
> stage that she so worked so hard to maintain. She watched the last
> Souldrama about building briges and peace.
>
>
>
> Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
> confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would
> appreciate and love that.
>
>
>
> More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster
> peace and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her
> community being in disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while
> she was alive.
>
>
>
> If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated
> her life to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among
> us.
>
>
>
> Connie Miller
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
>
> List at grouptalkweb.org
>
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:27:53 -0500
>
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
> To: <connie at souldrama.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
> Message-ID: <001501c75087$5e8a56c0$6401a8c0 at rebecca>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> Dear Connie,
>
> You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our
> group list shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I
> would not assume that all are peers as there may be trainers and
> trainees, grad students curious about the work, and lurkers of whom
> we know nothing. This is not a private listserve but open to anyone
> who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really doesn't represent
> the psychodrama community but only the community of people who
> belong to grouptalk.
>
> As for individual commitments to confidentiality...this list
> serve has been a place to share ideas and announcements, not the
> sort of things that I never thought needed to be kept confidential.
> Quite the contrary, I have brought many of the discussions to my
> training groups to further stimulate conversation. When I have
> written about my work, I have tried to avoid identifying details
> precisely exactly because I don't expect confidentiality.
>
> This internet thing is relatively new to us all. I would be
> curious to know if others see a list serve as a place to share
> confidential material. If so, don't we need to make a overt
> commitment to such confidentiality? So that everyone is on the same
> page about it. Or maybe we need to continue to assume that as this
> listserve it is NOT a confidential forum, and act accordingly.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Rebecca
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Connie Miller
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
> Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others
> to know her more and that she regretted being so private, we never
> would have shared what we did. I also assume that our group list
> shares a confidentiality among peers. Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and
> felt offended by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously
> were speaking from your hearts with your loving reflections on
> Clare's last days at Boughton. You offered such a beautiful
> description of Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you
> both were coming from a loving place.
>
> Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer
> work may be a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested. I
> know during my years of psychodrama training that before every
> workshop, whether with peers or clients, everyone was asked to take
> a pledge of confidentiality. That meant that we agreed to refrain
> from talking about what others did in the group. That gave me a
> strong measure of security to open myself to the group and to do
> some very painful work as a student. On the other hand, I lost a
> sense of trust and safety when I heard people talking about the
> experiences of others in a group without permission from those
> persons. This got a bit triggered when I read your email about
> Clare's work.
>
> So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to share
> her experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very private person
> who did not talk very much about herself. I love that she wanted
> us to know her more, and I thank you for offering a beautiful
> memorial to Clare in such a gentle and loving community-wide way.
> And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of my
> misunderstandings.
>
>
>
> Patti Desert
>
> Baltimore, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Connie Miller
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 AM
>
> Subject: About Clare
>
>
>
>
>
> About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
>
>
>
>
>
> One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get
> to know her more on a personal level. She realized how little we
> knew of her personally and wanted to share herself. I do not feel
> that we broke confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring her wishes.
> She was not a client but a good friend to all. I also want you to
> know that in the ceremony we included the entire psychodrama
> community and the love you shared and all the blessings that
> occurred on the stage that she so worked so hard to maintain. She
> watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
>
>
>
> Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting
> her confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would
> appreciate and love that.
>
>
>
> More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to
> foster peace and goodness and the last thing she would want now is
> her community being in disagreement about a ceremony honoring her
> while she was alive.
>
>
>
> If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she
> dedicated her life to and that was peace so let there be peace and
> love among us.
>
>
>
> Connie Miller
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
>
> List at grouptalkweb.org
>
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:31:18 +0000
>
> From: "thana ag" <anathga at hotmail.com>
>
> Subject: What is Love?
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org, anathgar at gmail.com
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>>> Hello everyone. . Happy Valentines day!
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> WHAT IS LOVE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Dear One,
>>
>>
>>
>> In honor of Valentine's day...and tom celebrate Clare , here
>>
>>
>>
>> is something to sweeten our day :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What does Love mean?
>>
>>
>>
>> A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4
>> to 8
>>
>>
>>
>> Â year-olds, "What does love mean?"
>>
>>
>>
>> The answers they got were broader and deeper than anyone could have
>>
>>
>>
>> imagined. See what you think:
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> "When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint
>>
>>
>>
>> her toenails anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his
>> hands got
>>
>>
>>
>> arthritis too. That's love."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Rebecca- age 8
> Â
>>
>>
>> "When someone loves you, the way they say
>>
>>
>>
>> your name is different.
>>
>>
>>
>> You just know that your name is safe in their mouth."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Billy - age 4
>>
>>
>>
>> "Love is when a girl puts on perfume and a boy puts on shaving
>> cologne
>>
>>
>>
>> and they go out and smell each other."
>
>>
>>
>> Â Karl - age 5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Love is when you go out to eat and give somebody most of your French
>>
>>
>>
>> fries without making them give you any of theirs."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Chrissy - age 6
>
>>
>>
>> "Love is what makes you smile when you're tired."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Terri - age 4
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Love is when my mommy makes coffee for my daddy and she takes a sip
>>
>>
>>
>> before
>>
>>
>>
>> giving it to him, to make sure the taste is OK."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Danny - age 7
>
>>
>>
>> "Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of
>>
>>
>>
>> kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more.
>>
>>
>>
>> My Mommy and Daddy are like that. They look gross when they kiss"
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Emily - age 8
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Love is what's in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening
>>
>>
>>
>> presents and listen."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Bobby - age 7 (Wow!)
>
>>
>>
>> "If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend
>>
>>
>>
>> who you hate,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Nikka - age 6
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â (we need a few million more Nikka's on this planet)
>
>>
>>
>> Â "Love is when you tell a guy you like his shirt, then he wears it
>>
>>
>>
>> everyday."
>>
>>
>>
>> Noelle - age 7
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "Love is like a little old woman and a little
>>
>>
>>
>> old man who are still
>>
>>
>>
>> friends even after they know each other so well."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Tommy - age 6
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "During my piano recital, I was on a stage and I was scared. I
>> looked
>>
>>
>>
>> at all the people watching me and saw my daddy waving and smiling.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> He was the only one doing that. I wasn't scared anymore."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Cindy - age 8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "My mommy loves me more than anybody
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't see anyone else kissing me to sleep at night."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Clare - age 6
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>> "Love is when Mommy gives Daddy the best piece of chicken."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Elaine-age 5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy smelly and sweaty and still says
>> he is
>>
>>
>>
>> handsomer than Robert Redford."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris - age 7
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>> Â "Love is when your puppy licks your face even after you left him
>> alone
>>
>>
>>
>> all day"
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary Ann - age 4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "I know my older sister loves me because she gives me all her old
>>
>>
>>
>> clothes and has to go out and buy new ones."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Lauren - age 4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "When you love somebody, your eyelashes go up and down and
>> little stars
>>
>>
>>
>> become out of you." (what an image)
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
> Karen - age 7
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â "Love is when Mommy sees Daddy on the toilet and she doesn't
>> think it's
>>
>>
>>
>> gross."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark - age 6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> "You really shouldn't say 'I love you' unless you mean it. But if you
>>
>>
>>
>> mean it, you should say it a lot. People forget."
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â Jessica - age 8
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> And the final one -- Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked
>>
>>
>>
>> about a contest he was asked to judge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an
>>
>>
>>
>> Â elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's
>>
>>
>>
>> yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Â
>>
>>
>>
>> Â When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the
>> little boy
>>
>>
>>
>> said, "Nothing, I just helped him cry."
>>
>>
> ..
>>
>>
>> Happy Valentine 's Day,
> anath
>
> =======
>
> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:58:39 -0600
>>
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: About Clare
>>
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>>
>> not confidential. You're right, Rebecca. warmly, adam
> =====
>
> -- Original Message - From: HV Psychodrama To:
> connie at souldrama.com ; list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
> Dear Connie,
>
> You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our
> group list shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I
> would not assume that all are peers as there may be trainers and
> trainees, grad students curious about the work, and lurkers of whom
> we know nothing. This is not a private listserve but open to anyone
> who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really doesn't represent
> the psychodrama community but only the community of people who
> belong to grouptalk.
>
>
>
> As for individual commitments to confidentiality...
>
> this list serve has been a place to share ideas and announcements,
>
> not the sort of things that I never thought needed to be kept
> confidential.
>
> Quite the contrary, I have brought many of the discussions to my
> training groups to further stimulate conversation.
>
> When I have written about my work,
>
> I have tried to avoid identifying details precisely exactly
> because I don't expect confidentiality.
>
>
>
> This internet thing is relatively new to us all.
>
> I would be curious to know if others see a list serve as a place to
> share confidential material.
>
> If so, don't we need to make a overt commitment to such
> confidentiality?
>
> So that everyone is on the same page about it.
>
> Or maybe we need to continue to assume that as this listserve it is
> NOT a confidential forum,
>
> and act accordingly.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Rebecca
>
> =====
>
> - Original Message - From: Connie Miller To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM - Subject: Re: About
> Clare ?
>
> Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to
> know her more and that she regretted being so private, we never
> would have shared what we did. I also assume that our group list
> shares a confidentiality among peers. Thanks
>
> ===+==
>
> -Original Message- From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM To:
> list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
> Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt
>
> and felt offended by concerns around confidentiality.
>
> You obviously were speaking from your hearts with your loving r
>
> eflections on Clare's last days at Boughton. You offered such a
> beautiful
>
> description of Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you
> both were coming from a loving place.
>
>
>
> Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality regarding peer work
>
> may be a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca suggested.
>
> I know during my years of psychodrama training that before
>
> every workshop, whether with peers or clients, everyone was asked
>
> to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant that we agreed to
>
> refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
>
> That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the group
>
> and to do some very painful work as a student. On the other hand,
>
> I lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard people talking about
>
> the experiences of others in a group without permission from those
> persons.
>
> This got a bit triggered when I read your email about Clare's work.
>
> So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted you to
>
> share her experiences with us.
>
> I only knew Clare as a very private person who did not talk very
> much about herself.
>
> I love that she wanted us to know her more,
>
> and I thank you for offering a beautiful memorial to Clare in such
> a gentle
>
> and loving community-wide way.
>
> And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of my
> misunderstandings.
>
> Patti Desert
>
> Baltimore, MD
>
> ====
>
> -- Original Message - From: Connie Miller
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:32 A Subject: About Clare
>
>
>
> About Clare and to those who are involved in this discussion:
>
> One of Clare's last requests was that we help others really get
> to know her more on a personal level.
>
> She realized how little we knew of her personally and wanted to
> share herself.
>
> I do not feel that we broke confiedentaillity or ethics by honoring
> her wishes.
>
> She was not a client but a good friend to all. I also want you to
> know that in
>
> the ceremony we included the entire psychodrama community
>
> and the love you shared and all the blessings that occurred on the
> stage
>
> that she so worked so hard to maintain.
>
> She watched the last Souldrama about building briges and peace.
>
>
>
> Tom, John and Ann, I know you were honoring her and protecting her
> confidentiality our of love and respect. I know Clare would
> appreciate and love that.
>
>
>
> More importantly I also know Clare spent her life trying to foster
> peace and goodness and the last thing she would want now is her
> community being in disagreement about a ceremony honoring her while
> she was alive.
>
>
>
> If we are to truly honor her, let us remember what she dedicated
> her life to and that was peace so let there be peace and love among
> us.
>
> Connie Miller
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
>
> List at grouptalkweb.org
>
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
> =====-----------
>
> Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:20:09 -0500
>
> From: "Karen Carnabucci" <karen at companionsinhealing.com> Subject:
> RE: About Clare
>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
>
>
> I also belong to a social workers discussion list that is similar
> to Grouptalk. Periodically someone wants to have feedback on a
> difficult or unsual situation with a client. The system we use on
> that list is that the message goes to the list owner who then sends
> the messsage to the whole list, without naming the practitioner,
> the city or town or anything else that might identify the client(s)
> in a specific way. I've posted a couple of questions on that list
> from time to time and the feedback has been very helpful.
>
>
>
> I know this is not quite the same situation with Clare; however,
> Rebecca makes a very good point -- there are all kinds of people on
> this list, from TEP to someone who's just curious about
> psychodrama, maybe even former clients or trainees. I am sure there
> are many people on this list who never even knew Clare and haven't
> heard of Boughton Place. Confidentiality is NOT possible, I
> believe, in these circumstances and for so many reasons. We don't
> know who will forward what to whom with a press of a key --and who
> will forward after that -- and the messages are also archived for
> anyone, including future Grouptalk subscribers, to review later.
>
>
>
> Clare has served a very important, though quiet, role in our
> psychodrama community as faithful steward of Boughton Place,
> equally faithful keeper of the Moreno Stage and promoter of
> psychodrama, ecological conservation and social justice.
>
> It seems that her passing is now offering many of us to think about
> and talk about some important issues
>
> including the need for memorializing and honoring,
>
> the communication methods of these group lists,
>
> the possibility of hurt feelings, and confidentialty, and more.
>
>
>
> Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
>
> Companions In Healing
>
> Lake House Health & Learning Center
>
> 932 Lake Ave.
>
> Racine, WI 53403 - (262) 633-2645
>
> karen at companionsinhealing.com <blocked::javascript:parent.ComposeTo
> ('karen at companionsinhealing.com');>
>
> www.lakehousecenter.com <blocked::http://www.lakehousecenter.com/>
>
> http://LakeHouseRacine.blogspot.com <blocked::http://
> lakehouseracine.blogspot.com/>
>
> www.companionsinhealing.com <blocked::http://
> www.companionsinhealing.com/>
>
> ====
>
> On Behalf Of HV Psychodrama
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:28 PM To:
> connie at souldrama.com; list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
>
>
> Dear Connie,
>
> You bring up an interesting assumption when you write that our
> group list shares a confidentially among peers. First of all, I
> would not assume that all are peers as there may be trainers and
> trainees, grad students curious about the work, and lurkers of whom
> we know nothing. This is not a private listserve but open to anyone
> who wishes to be part of it. In fact, it really doesn't represent
> the psychodrama community but only the community of people who
> belong to grouptalk.
>
>
>
> As for individual commitments to confidentiality...
>
> this list serve has been a place to share ideas and announcements,
>
> not the sort of things that I never thought needed to be kept
> confidential.
>
> Quite the contrary, I have brought many of the discussions to my
> training groups
>
> to further stimulate conversation. When I have written about my work,
>
> I have tried to avoid identifying details precisely exactly
>
> because I don't expect confidentiality.
>
>
>
> This internet thing is relatively new to us all. I would be
> curious to know if others see a list serve as a place to share
> confidential material. If so, don't we need to make a overt
> commitment to such confidentiality? So that everyone is on the same
> page about it. Or maybe we need to continue to assume that as this
> listserve it is NOT a confidential forum, and act accordingly.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Rebecca
>
> =====
>
> -- Original Message - From: Connie Miller
> <mailto:connie at souldrama.com>
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:27 PM
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare ?
>
> Thank you Patti..if Clare had not requested that we help others to
> know her more and that she regretted being so private, we never
> would have shared what we did. I also assume that our group list
> shares a confidentiality among peers. Thanks
>
> =====
>
> -Original Message-From: PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn at msn.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 03:37 PM
>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org Cc: iagp-psychodrama at yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: About Clare
>
> Dear Connie and Manuela--I am so sorry that you were hurt and felt
> offended by concerns around confidentiality. You obviously were
> speaking from your hearts with your loving reflections on Clare's
> last days at Boughton. You offered such a beautiful description of
> Clare's experiences and I never doubted that you both were coming
> from a loving place.
>
> Perhaps sensitivity to confidentiality
> regarding peer work may be a peculiarly American thing as Rebecca
> suggested. I know during my years of psychodrama training that
> before every workshop, whether with peers or clients, everyone was
> asked to take a pledge of confidentiality. That meant that we
> agreed to refrain from talking about what others did in the group.
> That gave me a strong measure of security to open myself to the
> group and to do some very painful work as a student. On the other
> hand, I lost a sense of trust and safety when I heard people
> talking about the experiences of others in a group without
> permission from those persons. This got a bit triggered when I
> read your email about Clare's work.
>
> So I am very happy to know that Clare wanted
> you to share her experiences with us. I only knew Clare as a very
> private person who did not talk very much about herself. I love
> that she wanted us to know her more, and I thank you for offering a
> beautiful memorial to Clare in such a gentle and loving community-
> wide way. And I sincerely regret any hurt you felt as a result of
> my misunderstandings.
>
>
> Patti Desert
>
> Baltimore, MD
>
> =======
>
> Tout de bon – Best of best
>
> Anne (Paris et ailleurs)
>
> Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
>
> Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
>
> Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
>
> Anne.Schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
>
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
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