List Digest, Vol 12, Issue 3

Tue Jun 5 04:32:31 CDT 2007

Subject: Who is reading?  I am , but have not tried the forum yet - I have
been swamped here with family illnesses and other very pressing matters.
Linda Ciotola

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Today's Topics:

   1. forum (Adam Blatner)
   2. "curve" of psychodrama (Adam Blatner)
   3. Re: "curve" of psychodrama (Adam Blatner)
   4. Re: forum (HV Psychodrama)
   5. Re: forum (Marianne Shapiro)
   6. Re:  forum (Connie Miller)
   7. RE: forum (Johanna and Hamish)
   8. Re: forum (Tauvon)
   9. Re: forum (Neil Hucker)
  10. Re: forum (ROROBEAR at aol.com)
  11. Re: forum (Indigo9142 at aol.com)
  12. Re: forum (Adam Blatner)
  13. Forum and Grouptalk (edwschreiber at earthlink.net)
  14. Re: Forum and Grouptalk (Adam Blatner)
  15. Re: forum (MKarp11444 at aol.com)
  16. RE: Forum and Grouptalk (Johanna and Hamish)
  17. Re: forum (Kim Cox)
  18. sociodrama (ROROBEAR at aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:12:33 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: forum
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <069f01c7a541$97aaf810$2e01a8c0 at desktop>
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Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside from
Ed S. and 
Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
discussions?
     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and use.
One needs 
passwords, one needs to go
 to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.

      2. I have little motivation, because
                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
regularly for me to 
bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, responded
to..
     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, to
my knowledge, 
checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
council, even half 
of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president of
the ASGPP or 
any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
organization, etc.
           So what's the point?

   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
and John 
Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
available, suggesting 
that they engage in outreach.

      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?  Warmly,
Adam 

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:56:46 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: "curve" of psychodrama
To: "William H. Wysong" <iqwysong at gmail.com>
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <06f301c7a547$c4ff5f80$2e01a8c0 at desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Bill:  

Hollander, Carl E. (1969). A Process for Psychodrama Training: The Hollander
Psychodrama Curve. Denver, CO: Snow Lion Press.

and also:  

a more rudimentary suggestion of the curve may be found on pg. 49 of my 1968
syllabus:

Seabourne, Barbara (@1963; 1968). The role of the auxiliary (pg 49). In H.
Blatner (Adam before he changed his name) (Editor), Practical Aspects of
Psychodrama: a syllabus. Belmont, CA: Author. 

       Learning about psychodrama, I wrote to everyone I could find. Back
then, that was quite a detective process, as Moreno didn't loosen his grip
on addresses, so there were no directories. Indeed, my first edition of
Acting In in 1973 was the first source for people actually discovering whom
to contact and where to contact them for further training! Anyway, Barbara
Seabourne generously shared her materials. She had been working with Leon
Fine in St. Louis back around 1963 and wrote some practical papers---indeed,
at the time, these were the most how-to-do-it materials I had yet found!
That's why I put together these papers, references, etc.---because you
couldn't get much of an idea of how to do it from Moreno's books, and only
superficially from Zerka's articles on rules, etc.

   warmly, ADam        

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William H. Wysong 
  To: Adam Blatner 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:59 PM
  Subject: Re: moreno history

   You stated in Acting-In that a psychodrama could be visualized by a curve
as presented by Barbara Seaborne and Carl Hollander.  What documentation do
you have that this was a concept of Barbara Seaborne?  
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:52:05 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: "curve" of psychodrama
To: "BARNETT WEISS" <budweiss at verizon.net>
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
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Yes, Martin Haskell's little blue book pamphlet--- and also an orange one on
socioanalysis (ie.sociometry)... published in 1967, but I didn't encounter
them until I think 1969. This is how the field was fragmented. I could have
used his help.
    He incorporated much of that into his book on socioanalysis in 1975. 

   The first edition of my book was grey, the next edition I was already
revising, soon after I went to England with the Air Force--that was more
tan-beige, and the name was changed (1970). Then I revised it again in '71
and then re-wrote it completely in my own words. 

   warmly, adam

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BARNETT WEISS 
  To: Adam Blatner 
  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:23 PM
  Subject: Re: "curve" of psychodrama

  Dear Adam:
  What about Martin's little blue book pamphlets which were available at
that time as well. I seem to remember getting your stuff before 1973. Yours
was much more thorough than anyones up to that date as you say, even in
comparison to what Moreno had written probably as you say because of their
reluctance to let go of control. So, before yours and to some extent
Martin's there was nothing which was systematically set down for people to
use as a text book for teaching so to speak.  Maybe it was the
prepublication book that you sent to Bonnie and I. I still have it somewhere
in a light brown cover size about 8 1/2 by 11 paper. 
  Blessings, Bud

  Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com> wrote:
    Hi Bill:  

    Hollander, Carl E. (1969). A Process for Psychodrama Training: The
Hollander Psychodrama Curve. Denver, CO: Snow Lion Press.

    and also:  

    a more rudimentary suggestion of the curve may be found on pg. 49 of my
1968 syllabus:

    Seabourne, Barbara (@1963; 1968). The role of the auxiliary (pg 49). In
H. Blatner (Adam before he changed his name) (Editor), Practical Aspects of
Psychodrama: a syllabus. Belmont, CA: Author. 

           Learning about psychodrama, I wrote to everyone I could find.
Back then, that was quite a detective process, as Moreno didn't loosen his
grip on addresses, so there were no directories. Indeed, my first edition of
Acting In in 1973 was the first source for people actually discovering whom
to contact and where to contact them for further training! Anyway, Barbara
Seabourne generously shared her materials. She had been working with Leon
Fine in St. Louis back around 1963 and wrote some practical papers---indeed,
at the time, these were the most how-to-do-it materials I had yet found!
That's why I put together these papers, references, etc.---because you
couldn't get much of an idea of how to do it from Moreno's books, and only
superficially from Zerka's articles on rules, etc.

       warmly, ADam        

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: William H. Wysong 
      To: Adam Blatner 
      Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:59 PM
      Subject: Re: moreno history

       You stated in Acting-In that a psychodrama could be visualized by a
curve as presented by Barbara Seaborne and Carl Hollander.  What
documentation do you have that this was a concept of Barbara Seaborne?  
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:10:56 -0400
From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: forum
To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <002c01c7a552$21b8f7e0$6401a8c0 at rebecca>
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Dear Adam,
Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are 
not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your 
prolific writings on grouptalk?
Rebecca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: forum

> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside 
> from Ed S. and
> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious 
> discussions?
>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and use.

> One needs
> passwords, one needs to go
> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>
>      2. I have little motivation, because
>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in 
> regularly for me to
> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, responded

> to..
>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, to

> my knowledge,
> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive 
> council, even half
> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president 
> of the ASGPP or
> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the 
> organization, etc.
>           So what's the point?
>
>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor 
> and John
> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses 
> available, suggesting
> that they engage in outreach.
>
>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change? 
> Warmly, Adam
>
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
> List at grouptalkweb.org
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org 

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:07:17 -0700
From: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>
Subject: Re: forum
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>, "Adam Blatner"
	<adam at blatner.com>,	<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <013c01c7a562$632fe610$6e01a8c0 at DBP8ZBC1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
    Hey hey hey  I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and 
there must be many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits these 
grouptalk e mails receive? Let's try t
his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading this, 
just hit reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an 
average of who reads what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe 
there wouldn't be many replies back , but someone else could try it, just to

see.
     I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us 
grouptalk lurkers, are unimportant.   Although I hardly ever respond, it 
doesn't mean I am not participating . I live in a smallish community--but 
not far from 2 TEPS, and my husband Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us, we

have 3 on going groups a week at our house, plus monthly workshops,  and I 
appreciate the on going stimulation that Grouptalk provides.  I just want to

send my appreciation for the discussions, debates,  thoughts, articles, 
links, diversity, connection, intelligence,  and self revealing that 
Grouptalk provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much 
of this. . this does help me to feel and be more connected to the larger 
Psychodrama community and also to shape and enhance my own thinking and 
learning about this large and complex process.
Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne

From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam,
> Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are
> not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
> prolific writings on grouptalk?
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
> Subject: forum
>
>
>> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
>> from Ed S. and
>> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
>> discussions?
>>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and 
>> use.
>> One needs
>> passwords, one needs to go
>> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>>
>>      2. I have little motivation, because
>>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
>> regularly for me to
>> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, 
>> responded
>> to..
>>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, 
>> to
>> my knowledge,
>> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
>> council, even half
>> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president
>> of the ASGPP or
>> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
>> organization, etc.
>>           So what's the point?
>>
>>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
>> and John
>> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
>> available, suggesting
>> that they engage in outreach.
>>
>>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
>> Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
> List at grouptalkweb.org
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
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> 

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:10:19 +0000
From: "Connie Miller" <connie at souldrama.com>
Subject: Re:  forum
To: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>, "HV Psychodrama"
	<hvpi at hvc.rr.com>, "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>,
	list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <W222141720680501180822219 at webmail28>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

-----Original Message-----
From: Marianne Shapiro [mailto:mariann at fidalgo.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 06:07 PM
To: 'HV Psychodrama', 'Adam Blatner', list at grouptalkweb.org
Subject: Re: forum

Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
Hey hey hey I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and 
there must be many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits these 
grouptalk e mails receive? Let's try t
his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading this, 
just hit reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an 
average of who reads what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe 
there wouldn't be many replies back , but someone else could try it, just to

see.
I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us 
grouptalk lurkers, are unimportant. Although I hardly ever respond, it 
doesn't mean I am not participating . I live in a smallish community--but 
not far from 2 TEPS, and my husband Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us, we

have 3 on going groups a week at our house, plus monthly workshops, and I 
appreciate the on going stimulation that Grouptalk provides. I just want to 
send my appreciation for the discussions, debates, thoughts, articles, 
links, diversity, connection, intelligence, and self revealing that 
Grouptalk provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much 
of this. . this does help me to feel and be more connected to the larger 
Psychodrama community and also to shape and enhance my own thinking and 
learning about this large and complex process.
Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne

From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam,
> Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are
> not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
> prolific writings on grouptalk?
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
> Subject: forum
>
>
>> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
>> from Ed S. and
>> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
>> discussions?
>> I'm still wary: 1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and 
>> use.
>> One needs
>> passwords, one needs to go
>> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>>
>> 2. I have little motivation, because
>> a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
>> regularly for me to
>> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, 
>> responded
>> to..
>> b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, 
>> to
>> my knowledge,
>> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
>> council, even half
>> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the president
>> of the ASGPP or
>> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
>> organization, etc.
>> So what's the point?
>>
>> Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
>> and John
>> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
>> available, suggesting
>> that they engage in outreach.
>>
>> I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
>> Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
> List at grouptalkweb.org
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:21:53 +1200
From: "Johanna and Hamish" <perfect_brown at xtra.co.nz>
Subject: RE: forum
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <20070602222152.KKBG23876.fep02.xtra.co.nz at hamishp4>
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Yep - I keep up to date with group talk, read some threads carefully and
others not at all.

There is a lot of advertising etc. from those based in the USA which may
seem to have no relevance to me in New Zealand, however it is interesting to
read all sorts of things, peoples advertising reveals quite a lot about how
Psychodrama is seen in your part of the world.

Also I found the conversations about the USA conference interesting from the
point of view of appreciating how these sorts of issues are related to in
your part of the world, and reflecting on our community and professional
organisation here ANZPA.

I value a lot the various articles Adam and others post.

However some of the threads which are about an aspect of the application of
the methods are of most interest to me.... I contribute when I feel moved to
do so.

Hamish

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org]
On Behalf Of Marianne Shapiro
Sent: Sunday, 3 mmmm 2007 10:07
To: HV Psychodrama; Adam Blatner; list at grouptalkweb.org
Subject: Re: forum

Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
    Hey hey hey  I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and 
there must be many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits these 
grouptalk e mails receive? Let's try t
his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading this, 
just hit reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an 
average of who reads what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe 
there wouldn't be many replies back , but someone else could try it, just to

see.
     I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us 
grouptalk lurkers, are unimportant.   Although I hardly ever respond, it 
doesn't mean I am not participating . I live in a smallish community--but 
not far from 2 TEPS, and my husband Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us, we

have 3 on going groups a week at our house, plus monthly workshops,  and I 
appreciate the on going stimulation that Grouptalk provides.  I just want to

send my appreciation for the discussions, debates,  thoughts, articles, 
links, diversity, connection, intelligence,  and self revealing that 
Grouptalk provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much 
of this. . this does help me to feel and be more connected to the larger 
Psychodrama community and also to shape and enhance my own thinking and 
learning about this large and complex process.
Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne

From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam,
> Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are
> not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
> prolific writings on grouptalk?
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
> Subject: forum
>
>
>> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
>> from Ed S. and
>> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
>> discussions?
>>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and 
>> use.
>> One needs
>> passwords, one needs to go
>> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>>
>>      2. I have little motivation, because
>>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
>> regularly for me to
>> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, 
>> responded
>> to..
>>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, 
>> to
>> my knowledge,
>> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
>> council, even half
>> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president
>> of the ASGPP or
>> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
>> organization, etc.
>>           So what's the point?
>>
>>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
>> and John
>> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
>> available, suggesting
>> that they engage in outreach.
>>
>>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
>> Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:52:50 +0200
From: "Tauvon" <tauvon at telia.com>
Subject: Re: forum
To: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>,	"HV Psychodrama"
	<hvpi at hvc.rr.com>,	"Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>,
	<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <001201c7a568$bfebc530$7300a8c0 at Katies>
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Dear All,
I'm reading this too......
Kate Bradshaw Tauvon TEP Sweden
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>; "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>;
<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
>     Hey hey hey  I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and
> there must be many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits
these
> grouptalk e mails receive? Let's try t
> his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading
this,
> just hit reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an
> average of who reads what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe
> there wouldn't be many replies back , but someone else could try it, just
to
> see.
>      I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us
> grouptalk lurkers, are unimportant.   Although I hardly ever respond, it
> doesn't mean I am not participating . I live in a smallish community--but
> not far from 2 TEPS, and my husband Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us,
we
> have 3 on going groups a week at our house, plus monthly workshops,  and I
> appreciate the on going stimulation that Grouptalk provides.  I just want
to
> send my appreciation for the discussions, debates,  thoughts, articles,
> links, diversity, connection, intelligence,  and self revealing that
> Grouptalk provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much
> of this. . this does help me to feel and be more connected to the larger
> Psychodrama community and also to shape and enhance my own thinking and
> learning about this large and complex process.
> Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne
>
>
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: forum
>
>
> > Dear Adam,
> > Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you
are
> > not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
> > prolific writings on grouptalk?
> > Rebecca
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> > To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
> > Subject: forum
> >
> >
> >> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
> >> from Ed S. and
> >> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
> >> discussions?
> >>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and
> >> use.
> >> One needs
> >> passwords, one needs to go
> >> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
> >>
> >>      2. I have little motivation, because
> >>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
> >> regularly for me to
> >> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about,
> >> responded
> >> to..
> >>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not,
> >> to
> >> my knowledge,
> >> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
> >> council, even half
> >> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the
president
> >> of the ASGPP or
> >> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
> >> organization, etc.
> >>           So what's the point?
> >>
> >>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike
Traynor
> >> and John
> >> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
> >> available, suggesting
> >> that they engage in outreach.
> >>
> >>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
> >> Warmly, Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> Grouptalk mailing list
> >> List at grouptalkweb.org
> >> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Grouptalk mailing list
> > List at grouptalkweb.org
> > http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
> >
> >
> > -- 
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> > 11:22 AM
> >
> >
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:37:01 +1000
From: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>
Subject: Re: forum
To: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>,	"HV Psychodrama"
	<hvpi at hvc.rr.com>, "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>,
	<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c7a56e$f762c760$454bb6ca at acertm230>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

read it,
neil hucker

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>; "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; 
<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
>    Hey hey hey  I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and
> there must be many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits 
> these
> grouptalk e mails receive? Let's try t
> his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading 
> this,
> just hit reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an
> average of who reads what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe
> there wouldn't be many replies back , but someone else could try it, just 
> to
> see.
>     I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us
> grouptalk lurkers, are unimportant.   Although I hardly ever respond, it
> doesn't mean I am not participating . I live in a smallish community--but
> not far from 2 TEPS, and my husband Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us, 
> we
> have 3 on going groups a week at our house, plus monthly workshops,  and I
> appreciate the on going stimulation that Grouptalk provides.  I just want 
> to
> send my appreciation for the discussions, debates,  thoughts, articles,
> links, diversity, connection, intelligence,  and self revealing that
> Grouptalk provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much
> of this. . this does help me to feel and be more connected to the larger
> Psychodrama community and also to shape and enhance my own thinking and
> learning about this large and complex process.
> Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne
>
>
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: forum
>
>
>> Dear Adam,
>> Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are
>> not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
>> prolific writings on grouptalk?
>> Rebecca
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
>> Subject: forum
>>
>>
>>> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
>>> from Ed S. and
>>> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
>>> discussions?
>>>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and
>>> use.
>>> One needs
>>> passwords, one needs to go
>>> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>>>
>>>      2. I have little motivation, because
>>>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
>>> regularly for me to
>>> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about,
>>> responded
>>> to..
>>>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not,
>>> to
>>> my knowledge,
>>> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
>>> council, even half
>>> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the 
>>> president
>>> of the ASGPP or
>>> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
>>> organization, etc.
>>>           So what's the point?
>>>
>>>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike 
>>> Traynor
>>> and John
>>> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
>>> available, suggesting
>>> that they engage in outreach.
>>>
>>>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
>>> Warmly, Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> Grouptalk mailing list
>>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007
>> 11:22 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:16:38 EDT
From: ROROBEAR at aol.com
Subject: Re: forum
To: eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, mariann at fidalgo.net, hvpi at hvc.rr.com,
	adam at blatner.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <c00.17921b2a.33936266 at aol.com>
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ROSALIE MINKIN
IS REPLYING

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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:46:56 EDT
From: Indigo9142 at aol.com
Subject: Re: forum
To: mariann at fidalgo.net, hvpi at hvc.rr.com, adam at blatner.com,
	list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <cd6.10809043.33936980 at aol.com>
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yes, I read this

Michael

Ms. Michael Kennedy,  MS
Coordinator
Schodack/Castleton Community Partnership
Schodack Town  Hall
265 Schuurman Rd.
Castleton, NY 12033
office:  518-479-3289
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:12:36 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: forum
To: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <003e01c7a57c$463a1d90$2e01a8c0 at desktop>
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I replied to Rebecca-- I don't mean grouptalk as a forum,  I'm referring to
the relatively 
new medium of the ASGPP website that has as a subsection a Forum. I'm saying
that the 
trouble going on the website, using the password, etc., might be worth it if
I knew that 
there were some folks wanting to play. Right now, I enjoy using grouptalk
'cause it's sort 
of like conversation. Sorry to have been ambiguous.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marianne Shapiro" <mariann at fidalgo.net>
To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>; "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; 
<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: forum

> Dear Adam ,Rebecca and All,
>    Hey hey hey  I am speaking up on behalf of the lurkers out there--and
there must be 
> many of us. Is there a way of counting up how many hits these grouptalk e
mails receive? 
> Let's try t
> his old fashion hand count. Anybody out there in space who is reading
this, just hit 
> reply all, with the message that you've read it, so we can see an average
of who reads 
> what. I am not a name anybody knows much, so maybe there wouldn't be many
replies back , 
> but someone else could try it, just to see.
>     I did not think that Adam was implying that the rest of us, us
grouptalk lurkers, 
> are unimportant.   Although I hardly ever respond, it doesn't mean I am
not 
> participating . I live in a smallish community--but not far from 2 TEPS,
and my husband 
> Bob is a CP and I am a PAT. Among us, we have 3 on going groups a week at
our house, 
> plus monthly workshops,  and I appreciate the on going stimulation that
Grouptalk 
> provides.  I just want to send my appreciation for the discussions,
debates,  thoughts, 
> articles, links, diversity, connection, intelligence,  and self revealing
that Grouptalk 
> provides for me, and Adam does seem to be the instigator of much of this.
. this does 
> help me to feel and be more connected to the larger Psychodrama community
and also to 
> shape and enhance my own thinking and learning about this large and
complex process.
> Thanks be to the Creator, inside, around and among us. Marianne
>
>
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: forum
>
>
>> Dear Adam,
>> Are you implying that the rest of us aren't worth your time, that you are
>> not interested in having us lowly. regular, common members read your
>> prolific writings on grouptalk?
>> Rebecca
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 2:12 PM
>> Subject: forum
>>
>>
>>> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
>>> from Ed S. and
>>> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
>>> discussions?
>>>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and
use.
>>> One needs
>>> passwords, one needs to go
>>> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>>>
>>>      2. I have little motivation, because
>>>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
>>> regularly for me to
>>> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about,
responded
>>> to..
>>>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not,
to
>>> my knowledge,
>>> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
>>> council, even half
>>> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the
president
>>> of the ASGPP or
>>> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
>>> organization, etc.
>>>           So what's the point?
>>>
>>>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike
Traynor
>>> and John
>>> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
>>> available, suggesting
>>> that they engage in outreach.
>>>
>>>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
>>> Warmly, Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> Grouptalk mailing list
>>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007
11:22 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database:
269.8.6/828 - Release 
> Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
>
> 

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:21:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
Subject: Forum and Grouptalk
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID:

<6264878.1180837283623.JavaMail.root at elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Adam Blatner,

I think you are quite wrong on all counts.

1) As someone who is quite ill at ease with computer-techno-stuff, once I
got to the forum I have found it easy to use.

2) Many many people are viewing the ASGPP forum.  If you go to some of the
"hot topics" and look on the number of viewers, the numbers are in the
hundreds.

3) I find the forum to be easy now, and I enjoy the way it operates.  I can
go to a message I posted and change it, or correct it.  And I can track a
sequence of posts related to a topic.

4) Athough I love grouptalk and think it serves a purpose, John R and Mike T
are urging us to use the forum.  Let's follow that lead for a year and see
how it works to draw us closer as a community of practitioners with
concerns.   We have nothing to lose other than our resistance.

Ed

Subject:   	forum
Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside from
Ed S. and 
Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
discussions?
     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and use. 
One needs 
passwords, one needs to go
 to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.

      2. I have little motivation, because
                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
regularly
for me to 
bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, responded
to..
     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, to
my knowledge,
checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
council, even
half 
of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president of
the
ASGPP or 
any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
organization, etc.
           So what's the point?

   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
and
John 
Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
available, suggesting
that they engage in outreach.

      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?  Warmly,
Adam

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:17:10 -0500
From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
Subject: Re: Forum and Grouptalk
To: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <014301c7a58d$ad225a70$2e01a8c0 at desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Okay, responses...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Forum and Grouptalk

> Hi Adam Blatner,
>
> I think you are quite wrong on all counts.
>
> 1) As someone who is quite ill at ease with computer-techno-stuff, once I
got to the 
> forum I have found it easy to use.
>      AB: Yes, I just went, and the program /my computer remembered my
password..  so I 
> got on, and looked around for about 40 minutes, made a few comments...

> 2) Many many people are viewing the ASGPP forum.  If you go to some of the
"hot topics" 
> and look on the number of viewers, the numbers are in the hundreds.
       ab: maybe a handful, or two is what I saw... but okay...
>
> 3) I find the forum to be easy now, and I enjoy the way it operates.  I
can go to a 
> message I posted and change it, or correct it.  And I can track a sequence
of posts 
> related to a topic.
       ab: yes
>
> 4) Athough I love grouptalk and think it serves a purpose, John R and Mike
T are urging 
> us to use the forum.  Let's follow that lead for a year and see how it
works to draw us 
> closer as a community of practitioners with concerns.   We have nothing to
lose other 
> than our resistance.
>       ab: Okay, I'll try to be a team player.

       One thing that's interesting.. I don't know the email etiquette for..
is when 
someone like a barcroft puts out several paragraphs, I sometime wish I could
intersperse 
my comments...
    but that's not possible, so it becomes difficult to write a
point-by-point commentary, 
agreeing here, modifying my position there, disagreeing then, agreeing with
that with 
modifications, etc.
       It poses an interesting process for audience, too. I'm not sure what
to say.

    About the sociatry dialogue, for instance.. I certainly agree with the
general 
sentiment and find it difficult to disagree with platitudes, i.e.,
noble-sounding 
generalizations. However, I generally prefer some effort at greater
specificity.
    but sometimes I'll just let go...

       So, I'll try for a while and we shall see.

Warmly, Adam
> Ed
>
>
> Subject:   forum
> Hi, I haven't been back to the forum for a while. How many people aside
from
> Ed S. and
> Adam M. Barcroft are using it in the last month? Do we have any serious
discussions?
>     I'm still wary:   1. the process is clumsy, awkward to access and use.
> One needs
> passwords, one needs to go
> to a website. Several additional operations. I told Mike Traynor this.
>
>      2. I have little motivation, because
>                 a. I don't sense there are enough people checking in
regularly
> for me to
> bother saying anything and think it will be read, thought about, responded
to..
>     b. The people I would like to read my ideas or suggestions are not, to
my knowledge,
> checking in to either grouptalk or the forum: i.e., all the executive
council, even
> half
> of the executive council, folks on the Board of Examiners, the  president
of the
> ASGPP or
> any officers, committee members, other sociometric stars in the
organization, etc.
>           So what's the point?
>
>   Still, perhaps all the above might change. I've written to Mike Traynor
and
> John
> Rasberry and others, asking for them to make their email addresses
available, suggesting
> that they engage in outreach.
>
>      I wrote this a few weeks ago... has anything begun to change?
Warmly, Adam
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
> List at grouptalkweb.org
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007
11:22 AM
>
> 

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:36:25 EDT
From: MKarp11444 at aol.com
Subject: Re: forum
To: ROROBEAR at aol.com, eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, mariann at fidalgo.net,
	hvpi at hvc.rr.com, adam at blatner.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
Message-ID: <be7.16dc7b56.33939139 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi, I am reading it all too, Marcia Karp

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:22:34 +1200
From: "Johanna and Hamish" <perfect_brown at xtra.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Forum and Grouptalk
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Message-ID: <20070603052233.PXFO7040.fep05.xtra.co.nz at hamishp4>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Well actually Ed 
I don't know if the Forum you are talking about is available to
international participation or just ASGPP members.  

I can imagine missing out if grouptalk disappears because all the
interesting discussions are occurring on this new forum.

Happy to be wrong
Hamish  

Hamish Brown
Director

Zenergy
Whole People Co-operating in a Sustainable world
119 Mt Eden Rd,
Auckland
www.zenergyglobal.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org]
On Behalf Of edwschreiber at earthlink.net
Sent: Sunday, 3 mmmm 2007 2:21
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
Subject: Forum and Grouptalk