aristotele

Tue May 29 15:11:55 CDT 2007

Thank you Cynthia, for giving me a way to respond to
something that has nothing to do with aristotele.  I
just received an e-mail from
g_j01986 at yahoo.com--saying it was sent from the ASGPP
forum--it was a "fortune in Africa waiting for me"
message, and I opened it thinking it was a legitimate
message from the forum.  I am startled that this could
leak through in this way, and want to give a "head's
up" to everyone in this and the other forum.  Georgia
Rigg
--- CGayle <cgayle at zipcon.com> wrote:

> I thought Aristotele was not about who one knows but
> more about "the power behind the throne".  Perhaps
> like a secretary or administrator who is really
> running the affairs of his boss. Or a queen who
> really runs the kingdom behind the figure head king.
> Cynthia Gayle
> Seattle
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>   From: E L 
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>   Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:29 AM
>   Subject: Eric Lindblom
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>   I've dropped a name, Victor Jara.. Is that
> Aristotele? Just knowing about Victor Jara enriches
> my life but does not make me any better a person
> than I am now. How about that? In that way, does
> Aristotele work or not? I so, how? Eric 
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>     Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:41:14 -0500
>     From: "Adam Blatner" < adam at blatner.com>
>     Subject: aristotele
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>     Re Aristotele: A rich topic indeed: It hints at
> a variety of other permutations and types 
>     of tele, and the relevance of many of these
> dynamics in everyday life, sociology, etc. For
>     instance: I might seek to be on good terms or
> known by or friends with X because she is
>     tight with Y, who is an acknowledged leader or
> celebrity. That would keep me closer to the 
>     "in" group.
>            So when and in what situations might that
> dynamic become a problem? How does
>     knowing about aristo-tele as a concept help
> understand or deal constructively with this
>     dynamic if it were a problem, or threatening to
> become one? 
>              What kinds of problems spin off from
> aristo-tele?
>                      When might using this dynamic
> be politically shrewd?  If I were a
>     lobbyist? If I were a congressman with ambition,
> trying to build my profile in Washington, 
>     DC  ?    What might be some ways to do this that
> were indeed clever, and what ways might
>     be counter-productive?
>             I'm just trying to warm up to the
> question, and evoke some associations from
>     others reading this? 
>                            Warmly, Adam
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>     From: "John Farnsworth" <johnf at earthlight.co.nz>
>     To: < list at grouptalkweb.org>
>     Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:55 PM
>     Subject: Re: aristotele
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> 
>     > In response to Ann's very interesting question
> about aristotele (a term new to me) it
>     > struck me, after some thought, that this is a
> very common phenomenon, particularly in 
>     > some circles.
>     >
>     > If I've understood her description correctly
> then one simple instance is in
>     > name-dropping. I have an acquaintance, for
> instance, who often lets me know of the
>     > powerful, famous or influential people he
> knows. He does actually appear to know some of 
>     > them (so, it's more than an apparent
> connection). However, it also raises the question
>     > of *how* he knows them, and I can only (very
> occasionally) assess this for myself if I
>     > am in a position to observe a reciprocal
> interaction. Sometimes, for instance, it's 
>     > quite a deferential relationship. In other
> words, only then can I get a clearer idea of
>     > their role relations.
>     >
>     > This is a very simple example but I hope it
> helps to generate more discussion. 
>     >
>     > John Farnsworth
>     >
>     >> I wonder if we might have a discussion of
> aristotele here on
>     >> grouptalk.  Specifically, I am thinking of a
> discussion of
>     >> sociometric status which is ascribed to a
> person due to their 
>     >> connection, or apparent connection to another
> person who has a
>     >> higher or more stable sociometric status.  I
> think the converse is
>     >> also true. (Guilt by association, for
> example)  Sociometric 
>     >> positions are rarely "fixed" and depend upon
> reciprocity, group
>     >> role repertoire, etc; however, there are some
> persons who become
>     >> fixed in their position until some event
> provides the opportunity 
>     >> for persons to examine their sociometric
> choices on a new set of
>     >> criteria.  What I hope could come from a
> discussion like this is a
>     >> clearer picture of de-personalization which
> seems to be present in 
>     >> the aristotelic-based connection.  Ann Hale
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>     Message: 2
>     Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:01:02 -0700
>     From: "E L" < elindblom at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Chile
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>     Jorge
> 
>     I wanted to comment on the violence in Latin
> America you mention. My
>     experience is with Chile. I've found that even
> after twenty five years or 
>     more that people don't want to talk much less to
> reverse roles. The pain
>     stretches the human being beyond the capacity to
> comprehend. (These people
>     are not in psychodrama.)
> 
>     My experience, specifically, is with the friends
> of the famous La Nueva 
>     Cancion Chilena singer and Profesor Victor Jara
> who, in 1973, was arrested,
>     to_rtured and murdered by unknown agents of the
> state and found dumped with
>     forty-four bullets in his chest. I met many of
> his 
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