aristotele4

[Adam Blatner]

Moreno: - Who Shall Survive, 2nd ed. 1953, pg 318. Aristo-tele: The quasi-telic influence of a person who, though not himself a star, has a good telic connection with a star, and through that star, influences all the people who the star influences. In that sense, "The form which the one tele going from the individual (who is in effect, the close friend of ) to [the star] takes can be said to be aristocratic, an aristo-tele. Such an aristo-tele has often turned the cultural and political history of a people, as in the instance of Socrates (who didn't write and wasn't all that popular) and Plato [his popularizer]; or Nietzsche and Wagner, or Marx and La Salle.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Hucker 
  To: Ann Hale ; grouptalk 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:51 AM
  Subject: Re: aristotele


  Hello Anne, your start up to the discussion on aristotele interests me but I have two queries. Where did the term aristotele originate? I have not heard of it before.
  Is your usage of the term de-personalization being used for a sociometric experience or is it being used in its usual psychopathological sense?
  What I mean by this is, psychopathologically "depersonalization is a term used to designate a peculiar change in the awareness of self, in which the individual feels as if he is unreal". Sociometrically, A person in a group yesterday described choosing or being so invested in the counter roles his wife wanted from him that he did not know who he was anymore. It was as if the person he was had disappeared. 
  Neil Hucker
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ann Hale 
    To: grouptalk 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:40 PM
    Subject: aristotele


    I wonder if we might have a discussion of aristotele here on grouptalk.  Specifically, I am thinking of a discussion of sociometric status which is ascribed to a person due to their connection, or apparent connection to another person who has a higher or more stable sociometric status.  I think the converse is also true. (Guilt by association, for example)  Sociometric positions are rarely "fixed" and depend upon reciprocity, group role repertoire, etc; however, there are some persons who become fixed in their position until some event provides the opportunity for persons to examine their sociometric choices on a new set of criteria.  What I hope could come from a discussion like this is a clearer picture of de-personalization which seems to be present in the aristotelic-based connection.  Ann Hale






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