aristotele4

[thana ag]

Hi Adam,
Thanks for the reference!!
Can't wait to get back to the BOOK.
anath

>From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>Reply-To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>To: "grouptalk" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>Subject: aristotele4
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:17:08 -0500
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>Moreno: - Who Shall Survive, 2nd ed. 1953, pg 318. Aristo-tele: The 
>quasi-telic influence of a person who, though not himself a star, has a 
>good telic connection with a star, and through that star, influences all 
>the people who the star influences. In that sense, "The form which the one 
>tele going from the individual (who is in effect, the close friend of ) to 
>[the star] takes can be said to be aristocratic, an aristo-tele. Such an 
>aristo-tele has often turned the cultural and political history of a 
>people, as in the instance of Socrates (who didn't write and wasn't all 
>that popular) and Plato [his popularizer]; or Nietzsche and Wagner, or Marx 
>and La Salle.
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Neil Hucker
>   To: Ann Hale ; grouptalk
>   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:51 AM
>   Subject: Re: aristotele
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>   Hello Anne, your start up to the discussion on aristotele interests me 
>but I have two queries. Where did the term aristotele originate? I have not 
>heard of it before.
>   Is your usage of the term de-personalization being used for a 
>sociometric experience or is it being used in its usual psychopathological 
>sense?
>   What I mean by this is, psychopathologically "depersonalization is a 
>term used to designate a peculiar change in the awareness of self, in which 
>the individual feels as if he is unreal". Sociometrically, A person in a 
>group yesterday described choosing or being so invested in the counter 
>roles his wife wanted from him that he did not know who he was anymore. It 
>was as if the person he was had disappeared.
>   Neil Hucker
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Ann Hale
>     To: grouptalk
>     Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:40 PM
>     Subject: aristotele
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>     I wonder if we might have a discussion of aristotele here on 
>grouptalk.  Specifically, I am thinking of a discussion of sociometric 
>status which is ascribed to a person due to their connection, or apparent 
>connection to another person who has a higher or more stable sociometric 
>status.  I think the converse is also true. (Guilt by association, for 
>example)  Sociometric positions are rarely "fixed" and depend upon 
>reciprocity, group role repertoire, etc; however, there are some persons 
>who become fixed in their position until some event provides the 
>opportunity for persons to examine their sociometric choices on a new set 
>of criteria.  What I hope could come from a discussion like this is a 
>clearer picture of de-personalization which seems to be present in the 
>aristotelic-based connection.  Ann Hale
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