2008 ASGPP Writers Workshop
Adam Blatner
adam at blatner.com
Sat Oct 13 09:20:03 CDT 2007
Hi Ed and all, there's another trick:
1. Find a colleague who has written or has been on the consulting ed committee or
who's willing to play the following game with you. Maybe even some of the editors will do
this and then recuse themselves in the formal editorial process.
2. Send tentative drafts and have the friend say, this is relevant, this is
irrelevant, we need more of this, less of that, cut this... not a fine read or proofread,
but a general feedback.
Might this dialog-encounter dynamic be encouraging to many?
About the idea of "rejection," I wonder how actually true that is.
I am aware of returning papers for revision and the author was too distracted,
lazy, entitled and indignant, I don't know why, to bother doing it. But the papers really
needed revision---in the form they were in, I'd be embarrassed to have it presented to a
group of non-credulous (i.e. whatever you give me I'll think is swell) colleagues.
That's an interesting criterion I use, by the way: I ask myself, "If this
presentation were given to a class or audience of neutral, a tiny bit skeptical, yet
really quite open professional colleagues; and if I were known to this audience for having
invited this presenter to make this presentation, would I feel humiliated?"
Anyway, let's not imagine the editors to be sitting there with a "show me"
superior attitude. It's not that way. It's usually closer to: "How can I encourage you?
You've got some good ideas but they need work. Here are some relatively specific
suggestions."
What do y'all think about my best estimate of the situation?
This is especially relevant also if we are to get a fresh start with a new publisher.
Warmly, Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
To: "T. Treadwell" <ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org>; <Midsouthcenter at aol.com>
Cc: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: 2008 ASGPP Writers Workshop
> Hi,
> I am going to be selfish here, I don't know any other way I feel drawn to reply other
> than selfishly.
> I want to write for the Journal and I am "journal phobic" in some way. I know the
> reasons, they have to do with my own sense of can I do this for the journal given its
> recent history of rejecting really great writers and thinkers in our society? I here
> is the selfish part, John, I feel I want to learn how to write well, for the Journal,
> and damn it, the Journal needs to flower too, and more writers are needed. So I don't
> care who does what, John, but I do care that we pull together in the spirit of full
> inclusion. That said, it would be great to have work done at the conference for writers
> for our work and our journal. We as a society have a lot to say to the world.
>
> Best,
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "T. Treadwell" <ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org>
>>Sent: Oct 13, 2007 9:04 AM
>>To: Midsouthcenter at aol.com
>>Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
>>Subject: Re: 2008 ASGPP Writers Workshop
>>
>>Thank you john for taking time to respond to writers workshop. However,
>>my concern is not with the future of the 'journal' - that is in the hands
>>of a committee and with Heldref Publishing.
>>
>>My concern is helping members write for our journal.
>>
>>The workshop you accepted, jackie fowler's, is a good workshop. However,
>>jackie attended the editor's workshop last year and asked if she could be
>>helpful - thus we integrated her as a helper in assisting others/members
>>to write. In brief, i do not think the workshop will meet writing
>>expectations or needs for a professional journal.
>>
>>tomt
>>
>>Tom, if part of your concern happens to be having a forum in which to
>>discuss the future of a "journal" for the Society , then I invite you to
>>log onto
>>the Membership Forum of the ASGPP Web , JOC section(Journal Options
>>Committee)
>>and enter into dialogue about a future publication. This forum gives us
>>ample space and time to give the JOC thoughts, concerns and wishes of the
>>membership.
>>>
>>> Tom and Grouptalk readers:
>>> I am encouraged by the interest expressed in the writing workshop of '07.
>>> The Workshop Proposal Committee was certainly aware of the success of
>>> that
>>> workshop last year and we are excited to have selected Jackie Fowler 's
>>> submission to present a workshop at the 08 conference dealing with
>>> developing writing
>>> skills for any type publication. The conference committee hopes this
>>> workshop
>>> will experience the same positive reviews as last year. I believe Ms.
>>> Fowler
>>> was recommended by you Tom. Her selection serves the goal of inclusion
>>> and
>>> diversity that the conference committee believes is important and we hope
>>> satisfies those interested in writing for the new journal of ASGPP or any
>>> other
>>> publication. I hope that you will sign up for this presentation and look
>>> forward to hearing your response.
>>> Tom, if part of your concern happens to be having a forum in which to
>>> discuss the future of a "journal" for the Society , then I invite you to
>>> log onto
>>> the Membership Forum of the ASGPP Web , JOC section(Journal Options
>>> Committee)
>>> and enter into dialogue about a future publication. This forum gives us
>>> ample space and time to give the JOC thoughts, concerns and wishes of the
>>> membership.
>>> I close by thanking Ann Hale for her comments and reiterate how
>>> challenging
>>> it can be to create a conference where all needs are met .
>>> Peace,
>>> John Rasberry,M.Ed,LMFT,TEP
>>> President
>>> ASGPP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/10/2007 9:17:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org writes:
>>>
>>> Writers Workshop Not Accepted --
>>>
>>> The executive editors submitted a writers workshop proposal, based on the
>>> writing model used at the 2007 ASGPP conference, to be presented at the
>>> 2008 ASGPP conference. We have heard positive comments on how the
>>> workshop was received thus we submitted another proposal.
>>>
>>> The conference committee informed us that the workshop was not accepted
>>> due to lack of space. Last year we developed a writers’ circle made up
>>> of
>>> persons who were interested in helping members write. The writers’
>>> circle
>>> is made up of professionals who are not part of the executive editorial
>>> staff.
>>>
>>> What is confuses us is writing for one's discipline is critical to keep
>>> any professionalism in an acceptable light, both practical/applied and
>>> research. By not having such a workshop limits us in a big way - we
>>> cannot talk and discuss with members, writing difficulties and successes,
>>> and as a result we handicap our membership thus demoting our discipline.
>>>
>>> I had one of my workshops accepted yet i would be willing to give that
>>> slot up for the writers’ workshop. [I think the writing workshop is
>>> more
>>> important].
>>>
>>> However, I would appreciate feedback from the listserv regarding their
>>> impression of having or not having a writer’s workshop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>Thomas Treadwell CompSoc - GraphPlot Computerized
>>Dept. of Psychology \ / Sociometry
>>West Chester Univ. __/ \__ Phone-610-436-2723
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