2008 ASGPP Writers Workshop
T. Treadwell
ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org
Tue Oct 16 18:39:40 CDT 2007
nicely stated Peter... and i do hope many folks read your 'points'. The
handicap is within ourself - coupled by the shaming process many of endure
during graduate training, yet it is 'supposed' to act as a springboard for
graduates to 'write'. Some do,,,,,,,many don't....why??? do not know. My
hunch, like yours, is that 'the defective schema emerges' and tells
us....'who would care what you write - it's not worthy'...and we act like
turtles...tuck head in and isolate from writing.
tom
> Dear tom,
>
> In Australia writing is an essential part of the learning and evaluation
> for trainees at all levels.
>
> This means that trainers need to get wise to the dilemmas of writing for
> trainees and have gone through their own traumas with their own writing.
> We
> include writing in the curriculum, amongst other reasons, because it can
> be
> such an integrative process. It requires a presentation of thought that
> goes deeper then knowing about. It creates or can create a deep learning
> process which pays off for the writer and the reader.
>
> I am still working to develop ways to integrate writing more into the
> regular curriculum - at present we write a Social and Cultural Atom paper
> and a 7000 - 13000 word thesis and a few other pieces of writing depending
> on your psychodramatic focus. The thesis is evaluated by the ANZPA Board
> of
> Examiners or with oversight - their delegates and the other writing is
> evaluated by local ANZPA accredited Institutes.
>
> I think that the 12 + years of education have given many people an
> entirely
> warped experience and set of fears as regards writing. Schools often shame
> people profoundly around written material. written material is the primary
> source of examinable stuff from schools. No wonder really that stuff comes
> up when writing and anyone else might read it.
>
> I think writers revert to the stage of the double and really need some
> decent effective doubling type assistance to overcome some of this early
> stuff which saps conviction, undermines knowingness and confidence and
> bring up fears and worries.
>
> Thoughts for now - It is a significant area.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Howie
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> At 08:28 AM 10/14/2007 -0500, T. Treadwell wrote:
>>Writing for any professional journal causes most, if not all, of us to
>> get
>>very anxious. Why - it activiates the 'incompetent or defective' schemas
>>we all posess. These negative schemas emerge when we 'think' there is a
>>'threat of rejection'.
>>
>>My point is that your thinking processes reflect what most professionals
>>think - we just do not admit it to the general public.
>>
>>On another note -- you say you are 'journal phobic' and my hunch is that
>>you just might be 'phobic' to rumors that seem to have engulfed the
>>journal. The current editors have been working hard dispelling some of
>>these 'old beliefs' that keep on emerging.
>>
>>We can test this though - I am sure you have a manuscript that perhaps
>> you
>>might like to submit for publication? Hopefully so, and i would
>> encourage
>>you to send it to me -- i'll go over it and make suggestions, if
>>necessary, [usually is something that needs adjustment] and that
>>'something' only makes for a better manuscript.
>>
>>I appreciate your interest in writing and your support in arousing
>>interest in writing for the journal. So can i look forward to a
>>manuscript from you? Don't worry about what shape it is in - just get it
>>to me. You can send it to me either electronically or by snail mail -
>>prefer electronic...
>>
>>ok??/ let me know your thoughts.
>>
>>tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I am going to be selfish here, I don't know any other way I feel drawn
>> to
>> > reply other than selfishly.
>> > I want to write for the Journal and I am "journal phobic" in some way.
>> I
>> > know the reasons, they have to do with my own sense of can I do this
>> for
>> > the journal given its recent history of rejecting really great writers
>> and
>> > thinkers in our society? I here is the selfish part, John, I feel I
>> want
>> > to learn how to write well, for the Journal, and damn it, the Journal
>> > needs to flower too, and more writers are needed. So I don't care who
>> > does what, John, but I do care that we pull together in the spirit of
>> full
>> > inclusion. That said, it would be great to have work done at the
>> > conference for writers for our work and our journal. We as a society
>> have
>> > a lot to say to the world.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>From: "T. Treadwell" <ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org>
>> >>Sent: Oct 13, 2007 9:04 AM
>> >>To: Midsouthcenter at aol.com
>> >>Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
>> >>Subject: Re: 2008 ASGPP Writers Workshop
>> >>
>> >>Thank you john for taking time to respond to writers workshop.
>> However,
>> >>my concern is not with the future of the 'journal' - that is in the
>> hands
>> >>of a committee and with Heldref Publishing.
>> >>
>> >>My concern is helping members write for our journal.
>> >>
>> >>The workshop you accepted, jackie fowler's, is a good workshop.
>> However,
>> >>jackie attended the editor's workshop last year and asked if she could
>> be
>> >>helpful - thus we integrated her as a helper in assisting
>> others/members
>> >>to write. In brief, i do not think the workshop will meet writing
>> >>expectations or needs for a professional journal.
>> >>
>> >>tomt
>> >>
>> >>Tom, if part of your concern happens to be having a forum in which to
>> >>discuss the future of a "journal" for the Society , then I invite you
>> to
>> >>log onto
>> >>the Membership Forum of the ASGPP Web , JOC section(Journal Options
>> >>Committee)
>> >>and enter into dialogue about a future publication. This forum gives
>> us
>> >>ample space and time to give the JOC thoughts, concerns and wishes of
>> >> the
>> >>membership.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom and Grouptalk readers:
>> >>> I am encouraged by the interest expressed in the writing workshop
>> of
>> >>> '07.
>> >>> The Workshop Proposal Committee was certainly aware of the success
>> of
>> >>> that
>> >>> workshop last year and we are excited to have selected Jackie Fowler
>> 's
>> >>> submission to present a workshop at the 08 conference dealing with
>> >>> developing writing
>> >>> skills for any type publication. The conference committee hopes this
>> >>> workshop
>> >>> will experience the same positive reviews as last year. I believe
>> Ms.
>> >>> Fowler
>> >>> was recommended by you Tom. Her selection serves the goal of
>> inclusion
>> >>> and
>> >>> diversity that the conference committee believes is important and we
>> >>> hope
>> >>> satisfies those interested in writing for the new journal of ASGPP
>> or
>> >>> any
>> >>> other
>> >>> publication. I hope that you will sign up for this presentation and
>> >>> look
>> >>> forward to hearing your response.
>> >>> Tom, if part of your concern happens to be having a forum in which
>> to
>> >>> discuss the future of a "journal" for the Society , then I invite
>> you
>> >>> to
>> >>> log onto
>> >>> the Membership Forum of the ASGPP Web , JOC section(Journal Options
>> >>> Committee)
>> >>> and enter into dialogue about a future publication. This forum
>> gives
>> >>> us
>> >>> ample space and time to give the JOC thoughts, concerns and wishes
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> membership.
>> >>> I close by thanking Ann Hale for her comments and reiterate how
>> >>> challenging
>> >>> it can be to create a conference where all needs are met .
>> >>> Peace,
>> >>> John Rasberry,M.Ed,LMFT,TEP
>> >>> President
>> >>> ASGPP
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> In a message dated 10/10/2007 9:17:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> >>> ttreadwe at grouptalkweb.org writes:
>> >>>
>> >>> Writers Workshop Not Accepted --
>> >>>
>> >>> The executive editors submitted a writers workshop proposal, based
>> on
>> >>> the
>> >>> writing model used at the 2007 ASGPP conference, to be presented at
>> >>> the
>> >>> 2008 ASGPP conference. We have heard positive comments on how the
>> >>> workshop was received thus we submitted another proposal.
>> >>>
>> >>> The conference committee informed us that the workshop was not
>> >>> accepted
>> >>> due to lack of space. Last year we developed a writers’
>> circle
>> >>> made up
>> >>> of
>> >>> persons who were interested in helping members write. The
>> >>> writers’
>> >>> circle
>> >>> is made up of professionals who are not part of the executive
>> >>> editorial
>> >>> staff.
>> >>>
>> >>> What is confuses us is writing for one's discipline is critical to
>> >>> keep
>> >>> any professionalism in an acceptable light, both practical/applied
>> and
>> >>> research. By not having such a workshop limits us in a big way -
>> we
>> >>> cannot talk and discuss with members, writing difficulties and
>> >>> successes,
>> >>> and as a result we handicap our membership thus demoting our
>> >>> discipline.
>> >>>
>> >>> I had one of my workshops accepted yet i would be willing to give
>> that
>> >>> slot up for the writers’ workshop. [I think the writing
>> workshop
>> >>> is
>> >>> more
>> >>> important].
>> >>>
>> >>> However, I would appreciate feedback from the listserv regarding
>> their
>> >>> impression of having or not having a writer’s workshop.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thomas Treadwell CompSoc - GraphPlot Computerized
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