Patricia please comment more/ List Digest, Vol 15, Issue 9

Mon Sep 10 15:13:17 CDT 2007

Re: Patricia please comment more on Orthomolecular Medicine - for  
Anne /  List Digest, Vol 15, Issue 9
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Le 10 sept. 07 à 21:58, Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger a écrit :

> Patricia Desert :Please comment Orthomolecular medicine  & on your  
> work with blood and tests
> &
> Orthomolecular medicine (what are the main writings and reference  
> book(s) for it ?
> Please -  for Anne (Paris, France)
>
> Le 10 sept. 07 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
> 1. orthomolecular medicine (PATRICIA DESERT)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:28:19 -0500
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Subject: orthomolecular medicine
> To: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>
> Bud--
> I have had an uphill battle with primary care doctors and with  
> psychiatrists at the community center where I work when asking for  
> blood work to test for levels of, to name just a few, DHEA,  
> cortisol, Vitamin/mineral levels, etc.  99% of the clients at the  
> community center are black-American men and women who grew up in  
> poverty within broken family systems where violence, depression and  
> severe emotional states of dis-ease ran rampant,  99% are diagnosed  
> with some form of schizophrenia.  They also suffer mood swings,  
> depression, anxiety, panic, etc.  They are also poor, all are on  
> medicaid or medicare, and have no healthcare for things like dental  
> caries, gum disease, etc.  All live in some kind of assisted living  
> facility.  All are on multiple medications to treat symptoms of  
> schizophrenia, depression, anxiety, "bi-polar."
>
> Given all of this you can image the biopsychosocial stressors they  
> live with every day.  I am convinced that these stressors impact  
> molecular levels of a whole host of needed substances in the body.   
> I routinely ask for blood work and routinely rarely see it get  
> done.  Primary care doctors don't even response to my written  
> requests.  And one psychiatrist at the center asked me to get him  
> clinical evidence that insomnia, experienced by many of the clients  
> at the center, reflects a depressed state when no other markers are  
> visible.  He argued lots of people who suffer insomnia do not  
> evidence any symptoms of clinical depression.  Of course his key  
> word was "clinical."  My thinking is not getting the right kind of  
> sleep for long enough periods can damn well depress the system.  It  
> doesn't have to be "major depression" to be alive and well in the  
> body and effecting quality of life.
>
> Another problem I see in our healthcare system is that even when  
> blood levels are taken they are taken at one particular period of  
> time.
> Our healthcare has no process built into it to take samples over  
> time to see how the body is acting upon awaking,
> in the afternoon, in evenings, etc.
> The body is gearing up and slowing down throughout the day.  It  
> needs to have certain levels of a variety of nutrients/hormones,  
> etc. to function effectively.
> The "spit test" is a wonderful example of how hormonal levels can  
> be assessed throughout a 24 hour period and can identify if a  
> person is deficient in say cortisol levels upon awaking in the  
> morning, the time when we need to gear up for the day and so need  
> increased levels of this important hormone.  Insurances do not pay  
> for the "spit test" and those who want it have to find a lab that  
> does it and then pay the $100 for it.  And when levels are out of  
> whack then the question is finding affordable and effective  
> supplements to support the body rebalancing, and then retesting  
> after a few months.  It is expensive and insurances do not pay for  
> any of it.  But those same insurances talk, tongue in cheek, about  
> preventive medicine.
>
> So that is my two sense on the state of orthomolecular medicine in  
> one psychosocial community center here in Baltimore.  I dearly wish  
> it was an acceptable treatment of choice but unfortunately that day  
> has not yet come. {sigh}  I did not mean to go on so but obviously  
> this is an upsetting issue to me.    Patti in Baltimore
>
> P.S.  And just think, I have never in the four years I have been at  
> the center, heard one client complain about their poverty, their  
> tattered clothing, their rooms devoid of furniture, their  
> illnesses.  Rather they routinely light up smiling with genuine  
> appreciation at every piece of used furniture, weathered household  
> item, or thinning second hand piece of clothing they receive.
> I am humbled by their magnificent spirits and in awe of it.
> ==============
> From: BARNETT WEISS<mailto:budweiss at verizon.net>
> To: ASGPP grouptalknew<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
>   Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: sociatry91007
>
> Hundreds of thousands of school age children are being  
> inappropriately treated and poisoned by various Ritalin type drugs  
> every day. One psychiatrist, Dr. Peter Breggin, all by himself  
> defeated the whole array of companies that tried to foist falsities  
> on the NIMH panel about the efficacy of Ritalin several years ago  
> and no one has confronted it again other than those I mention below  
> going after Novartis.  Please get to know Howard Glasser's work if  
> you don't already in regard to ADHD and The work of Mel Levine  
> neither of whom totally excludes the use of Ritalin which may be  
> politically correct on their part as the struggle they are in is  
> difficult enough without excluding some use of drugs.
>
> The group who won the suit against the tobacco companies has taken  
> on Novartis for the long run to do the same regarding the debacle  
> of Ritalin's inappropriate hype by them and subsequent overusage.
>
> Patients are experimented on always in psych hospitals because they  
> simply don't know what really works so they just cook up the best  
> stew with which they are familiar and throw it into the patients  
> and hope it works.
> Too bad if it causes dyskinesia ( which is remediable through  
> orthomolecular psychiatry)
> THAT IS THE REALITY DAMN IT AND NO PROFESSIONAL I HAVE INTERVIEWED  
> OR NAMI
> says anything substantially different.
> The pharmaceuticals continue to propagate lies in research they pay  
> for which most psychiatrists haven't the time or training to  
> properly evaluate and are subject to the detail people who come to  
> tell them how great this or that medication is.
>
> Orthomolecular psychiatry has a glorius past and even a sustainable  
> present and future if people learn about it enough. And there are  
> many psychotherapeutic interventions that can facilitate recovery  
> with or without diet changes and detoxification,  AUTISM ALONG WITH  
> All ITS SPECTRUM INCLUDING ASPERGERS IS TREATABLE
> DAMN IT AND RECOVERY IS HIGHLY PROBABLE>
> See www.autism.com<http://www.autism.com/>
>
> What in the world do you think Moreno was doing at Beacon before it  
> became a training center?  He was working with patients who were  
> not on medication at least when he began and some of them actually  
> recovered as did those who many others worked with including  
> Whittaker, Palazolli, and Milton H. Erickson along with the  
> hundreds who spun off methods from his mentorship and far too many  
> others to list here. Palazolli even developed an incredible low  
> session treatment involving throwing a real kink into the system  
> that worked in some instances having nothing to do with  
> medication.  Murry Bowen hospitalized whole families and worked  
> with them in family groups and got some wonderful results, Rosen  
> with his Direct Analysis and reparenting teams some of which were  
> made up of recovered schizophrenics who had gone through the  
> process, the community building work of M. Scott Peck saved many  
> from hospitalization as well as building entire resource treasures  
> in the group of 40 persons gathered together to deal with the IP's  
> issues.
>
> Check out the Power tactics of Jesus Christ by Jay Haley and his  
> writings about Milton H. Erickson.
> Why I am referring to that now will become evident if you read it.
>
> We have been taken over by the somatizers. I think they have  
> landed. Is anyone else out there other than the few who have  
> identified themselves in these exchanges? Are some afraid to speak  
> up for fear of being identified as radicals, or is this just boring  
> everyone to tears?
>
> Actually, there are more and more of us who have resisted the  
> invasion of the soul snatchers and have found an antidote to being  
> taken over when we sleep. 3rd version of the invasion of the body  
> snatchers is presently circulating under a different name just The  
> Invasion.
> Blessings, all.
> Bud
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Tout de bon – Best of best
Anne  (Paris et ailleurs)
Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste
Psychodramatiste & transgenerationnel
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Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP
Anne.Schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Anne.Schutzenberger at worldonline.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.ancelin.schutzenberger

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