Patricia please comment more/ List Digest, Vol 15, Issue 9

[Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger]

Re: Patricia please comment more on Orthomolecular Medicine - for  
Anne /  List Digest, Vol 15, Issue 9
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Le 10 sept. 07 à 22:13, Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger a écrit :
Re: Patricia please comment more on Orthomolecular Medicine - for  
Anne /  List Digest, Vol 15, Issue 9
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Le 10 sept. 07 à 21:58, Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger a écrit :
Patricia Desert :Please comment Orthomolecular medicine  & on your  
work with blood and tests
& Orthomolecular medicine (what are the main writings and reference  
book(s) for it ?
Please -  for Anne (Paris, France)

Le10 sept. 07 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
1. orthomolecular medicine (PATRICIA DESERT)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:28:19 -0500
--From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
Subject: orthomolecular medicine
To: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>

Bud--

I have had an uphill battle with primary care doctors and with  
psychiatrists at the community center where I work when asking for  
blood work to test for levels of, to name just a few, DHEA, cortisol,  
Vitamin/mineral levels, etc.  99% of the clients at the community  
center are black-American men and women who grew up in poverty within  
broken family systems where violence, depression and severe emotional  
states of dis-ease ran rampant,  99% are diagnosed with some form of  
schizophrenia.  They also suffer mood swings, depression, anxiety,  
panic, etc.  They are also poor, all are on medicaid or medicare, and  
have no healthcare for things like dental caries, gum disease, etc.   
All live in some kind of assisted living facility.  All are on  
multiple medications to treat symptoms of schizophrenia, depression,  
anxiety, "bi-polar."

Given all of this you can image the biopsychosocial stressors they  
live with every day.  I am convinced that these stressors impact  
molecular levels of a whole host of needed substances in the body.  I  
routinely ask for blood work and routinely rarely see it get done.   
Primary care doctors don't even response to my written requests.  And  
one psychiatrist at the center asked me to get him clinical evidence  
that insomnia, experienced by many of the clients at the center,  
reflects a depressed state when no other markers are visible.  He  
argued lots of people who suffer insomnia do not evidence any  
symptoms of clinical depression.  Of course his key word was  
"clinical."  My thinking is not getting the right kind of sleep for  
long enough periods can damn well depress the system.  It doesn't  
have to be "major depression" to be alive and well in the body and  
effecting quality of life.

Another problem I see in our healthcare system is that even when  
blood levels are taken they are taken at one particular period of time.
Our healthcare has no process built into it to take samples over time  
to see how the body is acting upon awaking,
in the afternoon, in evenings, etc.

The body is gearing up and slowing down throughout the day.  It needs  
to have certain levels of a variety of nutrients/hormones, etc. to  
function effectively.

The "spit test" is a wonderful example of how hormonal levels can be  
assessed throughout a 24 hour period and can identify if a person is  
deficient in say cortisol levels upon awaking in the morning, the  
time when we need to gear up for the day and so need increased levels  
of this important hormone.  Insurances do not pay for the "spit test"  
and those who want it have to find a lab that does it and then pay  
the $100 for it.  And when levels are out of whack then the question  
is finding affordable and effective supplements to support the body  
rebalancing, and then retesting after a few months.  It is expensive  
and insurances do not pay for any of it.  But those same insurances  
talk, tongue in cheek, about preventive medicine.

So that is my two sense on the state of orthomolecular medicine in  
one psychosocial community center here in Baltimore.  I dearly wish  
it was an acceptable treatment of choice but unfortunately that day  
has not yet come. {sigh}  I did not mean to go on so but obviously  
this is an upsetting issue to me.    Patti in Baltimore

P.S.  And just think, I have never in the four years I have been at  
the center, heard one client complain about their poverty, their  
tattered clothing, their rooms devoid of furniture, their illnesses.   
Rather they routinely light up smiling with genuine appreciation at  
every piece of used furniture, weathered household item, or thinning  
second hand piece of clothing they receive.
I am humbled by their magnificent spirits and in awe of it.

"PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
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From: BARNETT WEISS<mailto:budweiss at verizon.net>
To: ASGPP grouptalknew<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
  Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: sociatry91007

Hundreds of thousands of school age children are being  
inappropriately treated and poisoned by various Ritalin type drugs  
every day. One psychiatrist, Dr. Peter Breggin, all by himself  
defeated the whole array of companies that tried to foist falsities  
on the NIMH panel about the efficacy of Ritalin several years ago and  
no one has confronted it again other than those I mention below going  
after Novartis.  Please get to know Howard Glasser's work if you  
don't already in regard to ADHD and The work of Mel Levine neither of  
whom totally excludes the use of Ritalin which may be politically  
correct on their part as the struggle they are in is difficult enough  
without excluding some use of drugs.

The group who won the suit against the tobacco companies has taken on  
Novartis for the long run to do the same regarding the debacle of  
Ritalin's inappropriate hype by them and subsequent overusage.

Patients are experimented on always in psych hospitals because they  
simply don't know what really works so they just cook up the best  
stew with which they are familiar and throw it into the patients and  
hope it works.
Too bad if it causes dyskinesia ( which is remediable through  
orthomolecular psychiatry)

THAT IS THE REALITY DAMN IT AND NO PROFESSIONAL I HAVE INTERVIEWED OR  
NAMI
says anything substantially different.

The pharmaceuticals continue to propagate lies in research they pay  
for which most psychiatrists haven't the time or training to properly  
evaluate and are subject to the detail people who come to tell them  
how great this or that medication is.

Orthomolecular psychiatry has a glorius past and even a sustainable  
present and future if people learn about it enough. And there are  
many psychotherapeutic interventions that can facilitate recovery  
with or without diet changes and detoxification,  AUTISM ALONG WITH  
All ITS SPECTRUM INCLUDING ASPERGERS IS TREATABLE
DAMN IT AND RECOVERY IS HIGHLY PROBABLE>
See www.autism.com<http://www.autism.com/>

What in the world do you think Moreno was doing at Beacon before it  
became a training center?  He was working with patients who were not  
on medication at least when he began and some of them actually  
recovered as did those who many others worked with including  
Whittaker, Palazolli, and Milton H. Erickson along with the hundreds  
who spun off methods from his mentorship and far too many others to  
list here. Palazolli even developed an incredible low session  
treatment involving throwing a real kink into the system that worked  
in some instances having nothing to do with medication.  Murry Bowen  
hospitalized whole families and worked with them in family groups and  
got some wonderful results, Rosen with his Direct Analysis and  
reparenting teams some of which were made up of recovered  
schizophrenics who had gone through the process, the community  
building work of M. Scott Peck saved many from hospitalization as  
well as building entire resource treasures in the group of 40 persons  
gathered together to deal with the IP's issues.

Check out the Power tactics of Jesus Christ by
Jay Haley and his writings about Milton H. Erickson.

Why I am referring to that now will become evident if you read it.

We have been taken over by the somatizers. I think they have landed.  
Is anyone else out there other than the few who have identified  
themselves in these exchanges? Are some afraid to speak up for fear  
of being identified as radicals, or is this just boring everyone to  
tears?

Actually, there are more and more of us who have resisted the  
invasion of the soul snatchers and have found an antidote to being  
taken over when we sleep. 3rd version of the invasion of the body  
snatchers is presently circulating under a different name just The  
Invasion.
Blessings, all.
Bud

BARNETT WEISS<mailto:budweiss at verizon.net>

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