Ritalin Shmitalin: Happy New Year

Mon Sep 10 22:36:11 CDT 2007

Ritalin is very very bad medicine and in fact, in my opinion, it isn't medicine at all, it is propagandized poison and will be proved so over the next 10 years along with so many other toxins shot into the blood streams of those who have little power to resist.  

  I have never and I repeat never seen an instance in which it should have been used had the proper management been available. It is just that no one, or practically no one is doing what should be done and so instead, the psychiatrists in charge use this short cut that stiffles the child's real hurt and altered system and stuffs it underground.  I am sick and tired of us all being apologists for these criminals who have taken over good medicine and good therapy. 

  I know I too have been an apologist at times thinking that it is the politically correct thing to do so that I can have some purchase with the systems that I am involved with. Yes some will be able to function where they were not able to do so prior to the administration of these drugs, and at what cost physiologically and psychologically. And had they access to what I am talking about, they would be in a far better place I assure you. 

  Not too many follow up studies showing much at all in long term studies subsequent to the use of Ritalin which is why the NIMH panel several years ago which saw Peter Breggin's work encapsulated in Talking Back to Ritalin refused to endorse the use of Ritalin across the board.

  If you want to go for the whole anchilatta after enough people become familiar with the work of  Howard Glasser, Mel Levine, and Joy Degruy Leary, 

  We might start with something novel like that mentioned by others on this site:  a really good social history including the school environment and educational competence of the teachers as well as their emotional competence; physical/chemical  environnment as per the folks like Theron Randolph, MD and Dorris Rapp, MD who most people in this field have never heard of. That's intentional on the part of text book publishers who are in league with pharmaceuticals. Check out Dorris's book "Is This Your Child?" 
  Check out the results of the breathing work promulgated by Konstantin Buteyko, MD which I have pointed to several times in the past. Correcting poor breathing allows the brain to get the oxygen it needs and it along with a number of other systems in the body correct themselves especially with children. Glen Doman of the Institute for the Achievement of Human Potential www.iahp.org along with a number of wonderful approaches including Feldenkrais work has been using masking for his brain injured population to get them daily rebreathing their air upping the CO2 concentration and sees significant glial cell increases and profound changes in these children's brain function over time. He uses it for himself to keep his memory function from deteriorating. He hasn't forgotten much that I know of. :-) litle smile there. 

  I ran a program for over 400 serioiusly to mildly developmentally challenged children and their families for 5 years and saw some of the environmental physicians change the lives of some of the children we had in our hyperactive group and that of course changed forever the lives of their families, especially their siblings. Way more than 50 percent of families with seriously developmentally challenged children divorce subsequent to the birth or development of a challenged child blaming eachother for the child's problems.  Our ADHD children were constantly bouncing off the walls and needed practically one to one supervision to be sure they wouldn't hurt themselves or others. They were definitely out of balance internally and of course their families were reacting to all this as one might expect. 

  I remember Bruno Bettleheim finally apologizing to mothers for his stance that he maintained for years when he finally got that autism and psychosis he observed in his more seriously disturbed population was not generated from the schizophrenogenic mother.  And as I am sure you all gathered,  I am of the opinion, and of course not alone in this, that the spectrum from moderate to serious ADD/ADHD to severe AUTISM is one that is often if not always a matter of serious internal neurochemistry blood chemistry bowel chemistry problems created by the chemical soup internally introduced to and externally bombarding our Children . Just the over 50 vaccines thrown into our children by teenage is enough to do more damage than we are aware let alone the GM ( genetically modified) foods we are feeding our children. When these are addressed, often there is tremendous change toward and even including recovery with symptom dissapearance and those children and their families having a
 real life again.

  These children who recover can tell you what it was like to be in the cycle unable to stop what was happening until they were cleared. 

  How many of the children you have worked with had their digestive system checked and used some elimative diets looking into all aspects of environmental medicine ala Randolph and Rapp, hormone balance, blood sugar regulation, breathing, etc. etc. etc. Not one hospital or clinic does this to my knowledge other than some of the orthogenic folks and a few rare pediatricians and the DAN ( Defeat Autism Now) see www.autism.com  protocol people.

  If we continue to capitulate, then we will continue to contribute to that chemical journey of millions of defenseless children all over the world. Remember the Violence Initiative that almost passed the Congress and would have turned loose the NIMH on so called "minority children" in a way that might have made Hitler blush. 

Perhaps this is what has to happen so that people can really get how far from our senses we have come.  I am ranting here and that is not what I did when I confronted psychiatrists at grand rounds in hospitals. I read their papers, critiqued them and offered sources I knew they had not read and were well published in the medical and psychiatric field. After a while, I was asked not to return to the grand rounds in two hospitals. All the work about which I spoke  had simply been pushed aside as has been the case with so much of the better altnerative treaments across the medical and psychiatric spectrum.

  Enough already I hear you all saying. I have worked with children all my life seeing probably well over 5000 children and their families over the past 50 years that I have been working in the field beginning with Bettleheim. If they 10 percent of them had good lawyers, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

  Blessings, all, and a happy and healthy New Year to all Jewish or non Jew as we celebrate this Rosh Hashanah and then the Day of At-One-Ment, Yom Kippur.  Bud
HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com> wrote: 
  Dear Georgia,
I think we can all agree that there are some patients for whom medications 
has been a real life saver...I haven't seen someone with waxy catatonia or 
prolonged major vegetative signs of depression in decades. Also there are 
those kids for whom Ritalin is the difference between living a productive 
and functioning life, and not.
But is so many of the rest, well your letter says it all. But 
psychodramatists are not alone in being concerned...I think many non medical 
therapists as well as some really fine MDs I know are concerned.
I did a grand rounds for the psychiatric services at St Luke's Roosevelt 
Hospitals Addictions Center...several old time psychiatrists came up to me 
to comment on having known Dr Moreno. The new ones has never even heard of 
family sculpting or putting anything into action. They were amazed....So 
sad...
Rebecca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "georgia rigg" 
To: "Karen Carnabucci" ; 

Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Medications, etc.

> Monday--I told myself to stay out of this one, because
> my own feelings about psychiatrists and medications
> are pretty raw. In the psych hospital where I worked,
> the "old doctors" admired psychodrama, my use of John
> Mosher's Healing Circle, and my attempts to help the
> clients create therapeutic communities--the adult
> clients wanted into the psychodrama group and my
> therapy group, the adolescents got it and did great
> with psychodrama and the Healing Circle, and then, the
> new, just out of residency "baby docs" came on board.
> In a short time, I was threated with firing if I
> didn't stop psychodrama, and forget therapeutic
> communities. Empowered and supported patients
> question things--like just what does this medication
> do anyway? The old doctors were shoved out, and I was
> assigned to create a new program for the folks who
> were morbidly obese, and who wanted the gastric bypass
> or lap band surgeries. I have, by the way, a "state
> of the art" program for the surgery folks. So what am
> I saying. There were doctors present who really cared
> about the clients as people, and who tried to help
> them get the services they needed. And then, there
> were the others. I agree that often, too often, these
> are the ones who don't think of the social situation,
> and other avenues of service--just which of the meds
> will be the one to use today. And fair is fair--I've
> been around a long time; pre-medication, life was
> often impossible for many people. So, maybe this is a
> good discussion topic for the ASGPP conference?
> Georgia Rigg, TEP
> --- Karen Carnabucci 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's another one -- I go to a presentation by a
>> psychiatrist who is
>> presenting topic at a local hospital about working
>> with children. The
>> Dr. is talking about school phobia and the best and
>> most useful
>> medications to prescribe for the condition.
>>
>> All I can think of is one of my younger teen clients
>> who hates going to
>> school, and has played sick, due to the fact that he
>> his being horribly
>> bullied by two kids at school. I ask the dr. if he
>> aware that some kids
>> might have really good reasons to fear going to
>> school -- such as being
>> hurt by a bully or otherwise threatened with harm.
>> His face and body
>> language expresses clear surprise and he says, "Oh,
>> I hadn't thought of
>> that."
>>
>> And I think he really meant it!!!
>>
>> Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
>> Companions In Healing
>>
>> Lake House Health & Learning Center
>> 932 Lake Ave.
>> Racine, WI 53403
>>
>> (262) 633-2645
>> karen at companionsinhealing.com
>> 
>>
>> www.lakehousecenter.com
>> 
>> www.companionsinhealing.com
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org
>> [mailto:list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org] On Behalf Of
>> PATRICIA DESERT
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:38 PM
>> To: GrouptalkNewAddress
>> Subject: Re: sociatry91007
>>
>>
>> One most recent specific. A former client of mine
>> called me for some
>> advice about his 12 yr old son who recently began
>> having close to panic
>> attacks when anticipating attending school. He
>> needs his dad to
>> accompany him at this point and his dad does.
>>
>> This boy has a bar mitzvah coming up next month, his
>> dear friend who is
>> also his sister just left for Israel, the school
>> he's in just began a
>> new policy of bell ringing to signal end of class
>> and the new 2-minutes
>> requirement required to get to next class, and some
>> other stressors that
>> I can't remember right this minute. The
>> psychiatrist who spoke to the
>> father on the phone about this boy immediately
>> wanted to put him on
>> medication.
>>
>> I like to think this psychiatrist is the exception.
>> P.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>> From: HV Psychodrama 
>> To: Adam Blatner 
>> Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: sociatry91007
>>
>> dear Adam/ You want specifics and I do not have the
>> energy to
>> write
>> them....you are welcome to call me and we can have
>> a
>> conversation...but I
>> suspect that anyone working in the trenches these
>> days, as you
>> once referred
>> to my work, could come up with many examples of
>> kids being
>> diagnosed with
>> all sorts of disorders rather than look at the
>> problems as
>> being indicative
>> of the disorders of society.Or take the PhD
>> psychologist who had
>> his
>> daughter put on Ritalin because she was daydreamy
>> and not
>> getting straight
>> As in school. She was 7.
>> The director of a local child day treatment said
>> to me that
>> when children
>> get diagnoses bipolar, often the parental reaction
>> is that
>> because the
>> disease is biological there is nothing they, the
>> parents, need
>> to do, it is
>> the child's problem, no need for the family to be
>> in treatment,
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Adam Blatner" 
>> To: "HV Psychodrama" 
>> Cc: 

>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:17 PM
>> Subject: sociatry91007
>>
>>
>> > Dear Rebecca and all, reviewing your response,
>> feeling much in
>> resonance!
>> > 1. "The Politics of Therapy" and "Radical
>> Therapy" -- Much
>> of this was
>> > before the many writings on oppression were
>> publicized.
>> > However, I find very few examples of people
>> subjected to
>> involuntary
>> > treatment today--- especially inappropriately.
>> Yet there are
>> occasional
>> > cases and it makes one think. I'm interested
>> especially in
>> what you all
>> > observe---specific issues in our practices. There
>> was also a
>> > romanticization of schizophrenia as not being
>> abnormal, out of
>> control,
>> > but more a response to crazy family and society.
>> I think this
>> has been
>> > largely deconstructed. Admittedly, communications
>> mixed
>> messages (e.g.,
>> > the classical "double bind") and other family
>> stress can make
>> any mental
>> > illness worse, but that's far from being a cause.
>> >
>> > 2. Just read in the New Yorker a story of a
>> bright music
>> critic who was
>> > relieved to recognize that the diagnosis of
>> Asperger's
>> Syndrome made sense
>> > of much that was bewildering in his life, and it
>> also helped
>> his caring
>> > family. Yet he also notes that such folks have a
>> website for
>> being
>> > considered just different, and many would not
>> give up their
>> condition even
>> > if it could be "cured"---and there is (by the
>> way) not the
>> slightest hint
>> > of a cure known or offered.
>> >
>> > 3. "Revolution not Adjustment." On the
>> dramatherapy
>> listserve a
>> > re-discussion of the shifts in Gay, Lesbian, now
>> linked to
>> Trans-gendered,
>> > bisexual, and questioning in their advocacy
>> identity... and a
>> case of the
>> > proper way to address a 5 year old child who is
>> very possibly
>> a little boy
>> > fascinated with and half into being a little
>> girl... I noted
>> we have not
>> > only the social definition problems, but also the
>> question of
>>
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