FW: Moreno a kabbalist?

Wed Jan 2 14:01:23 CST 2008

From: anathga at hotmail.com
To: adam at blatner.com
Subject: RE: Moreno a kabbalist?
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:00:09 +0000

Dear Adam,
One should be very careful with words: It would be more precise to say: that there is wealth of similar ideas,a most likely inspired by Kabballah, (not the other way around..) plus we are  talking about an  individual with  highly evolved intuitive and intellectual faculties.,applying such to his vision of society. 
However  Moreno  is talking about  forces in the realm of this world only,while  kabballah  is talking  about forces in the  world beyond our senses. 
anath

From: adam at blatner.com
To: anathga at hotmail.com; edwschreiber at earthlink.net; list at grouptalkweb.org
Subject: Moreno a kabbalist?
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:44:51 -0600

Dear All,
    While I respect many of Moreno's 
contributions---more than respect, honor him as great---and I'll  be 
talking about why in my plenary presentation at the forthcoming conference---, 
yet I hesitate to idealize him. By idealizing I mean the activity of attributing 
virtues not clearly demonstrated based on the presence of virtues that are 
somewhat more demonstrable. He played many roles, some of which were brilliant 
and some soulful; and yet other roles were less perfectly developed and some 
might be considered faults or failings.
     Moreno says he studied 
Kabbalah in his early years, as noted in his Autobiography (1989); I note this 
also in a relatively recent paper in our journal, the JGPPS, on role 
theory and the Kabbalistic diagram called the Tree of Life.
      Yet I think it's more than 
a stretch to consider him anything near what most folks who know about the field 
would call a Kabbalist!

 Kabblah, 
the most widely-known mystical sub-field in Judaism, involves, 
well, mysticism---an effort to connect with, ultimately experience a sense of 
union with G-d. It requires a sense of transcendence as well as immanence. 
While one of Moreno's gifts of greatness was his intuition of the nature of 
Divine immanence, the spirit shining through the being of every individual, 
especially manifest in the phenomena associated with spontaneity and creativity, 
yet I saw little that gave evidence of his reverence for the "other-ness" of 
God. Nor have I heard of his engaging in any particularly spiritual practice, 
and by spirituality I mean the activity of deepening one's connectedness or 
relationship with G-d, however that Greater Wholeness of Being may be named or 
conceived. 

     Much less has there been any 
evidence of continued involvement in reading or practice or association with 
other kabbalists. I don't dispute that one might discern some few common areas 
of overlap, but that's far from the same as an assertion that he "was" a 
kabbalist. 
      Admittedly, we could 
question what would qualify one as a kabbalist. I doubt that I would 
qualify, even though I've been dabbling in reading about this arena 
for about 40 years... 

      I hope that such 
pedantic quibblings are not too troublesome, but I think that attributing to 
Moreno qualities that would raise a number of eyebrows ends up 
reducing rather than amplifying our credibility and his. 

        Warmly, Adam 

----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  thana ag 

  To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net ; list at grouptalkweb.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:48 
  PM
  Subject: RE:

We are on the same page. That is what i am combing 
  through. Re John Seed:   I was much in touch with Joanna Macy in the 
  80ies. She actually stayed in our house when she was giving a workshop in 
  "Open Center" one year. So we spent hours talking.  Then i lost 
  touch,plus mom's duties propelled my energies in a different direction. 
  So,turns out  I've been  acquainted with their  incredible 
  work.
Happy New year,
anath

> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:11:31 
  -0500
> From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
> To: 
  anathga at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re:
> 
> Hi Anath,
> I 
  agree with you, Moreno was a Kabbalist.
> In fact, I would go so far as 
  to say that in his work, the body of his writings, he embedded Kabbalistic 
  like codes. Sociatry is to extract the codes, share them,
> 
> 
  Happy New Year.
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original 
  Message-----
> >From: thana ag <anathga at hotmail.com>
> 
  >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 6:56 PM
> >To: Edward Schreiber 
  <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>, list at grouptalkweb.org
> >Subject: 

> >
> >
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> >
> >Dear 
  Ed,
> >Thanks for your comments.
> >But try and not use 
  the
> >dryer for sheets etc -and not be/c it is better for the fabric 
  - just
> >so you will know (especially if you live in an apt)how life 
  will be
> >when we run out of resources,or what life has been for the 
  too poor to
> >have resources,and who therefore do not pollute ,but 
  have no awareness
> >of the problem...(of course by you,I mean 
  generic you). That awareness
> >issue is the point. And then the 
  discipline to proceed with action.
> >That is the argument for 
  keeping kashrus:,dietary laws, an enforcement 
> >of discipline to 
  show one's willingness to follow God..,in hebrew the
> >numeric value 
  of nature and God is the same. I think we need now new laws of kashrus and an 
  vanguard ready to take
> >upon themselves willingly the discomfort of 
  not using instruments that
> >make our life easier but damaging to 
  the environment.,and consciously economize on resources. \
> >So if I 
  were playing God,I 'do be searching urgently for a group ready for such 
  sacrifice,be/c of their concern for Nature.
> >. Who will they be? 
  What shall we call them? Moreaneans? If everyone on listserve,and their 
  families and their employees,students etc...joined...now that is 
  "concretization"!
> >Of course that does not negate the possibility 
  of writing papers,researching ,developing new technology social and 
  otherwise.,
> > About
> >Moreno and Sociatry. Recently I 
  started to study in depth the 
> >Kabballah,and come to realize that 
  Moreno was ,yes, a cabbalist.,which makes
> >me recall few of the 
  encounters I had with him,and totally not getting
> >what he was 
  saying. Or blown away by what he said. Oh how i wish it
> >was me 
  now,not me at twenty something. SO many similarities especially since in both 
  cases the goal is no less than the correction of the whole. Both assume 
  society develops according to a definite laws. More About all that another 
  time.
> >Let me know what you come up in your research. Thanks re 
  John Seed. Will look him up.
> >
> >So good to hear your 
  ideas.
> >Happy New Year!
> >anath
> >.
> 
  >
> >> Date: Sun,
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