sociatry

[Edward Schreiber]

Nice reply Adam, thank you for being supportive.
Well, here is where Moreno gets very interesting for me.
The illness of society (of our culture, the world whole civilization  
for a fact) can be,
from a Morenean point of view, made so clear that we can find 4 mega- 
sociometric structures
impacting, influencing all other structures.  These 4 mega- 
sociometric structures are what have to
be understood and addressed - and here is the mind-blower:  these 4  
forces (mega-structures) are
revealed in a group, family, organization, etc., with sociometry.  We  
have to simply over-lay sociatric
theories on top of sociometry and then sociometry illuminates within  
a group the 4 mega-structures.

Nothing is original, which is also so damn cool for me.
Nothing I am writing or saying is original to me:  it's all Moreno's  
in his unpublished and some obscure material.
Like Alice in Wonderland, or Harry Potter in the world of magic, I  
feel we are simply finding gems Moreno left hidden,
but not hidden; waiting for this time.

THE BEST book is Jonathan Moreno's book:  MIND WARS.  I urge you read  
it.
Ed


On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:

> Dear Ed,
>   1. The world is in big trouble. I acknowledge your alarm.
>         I wish you well in your workshop.
>   2. The vision of sociatry is one I agree with. Iatros--- 
> physician. Socios-- the soci-economic-political system.  How to  
> treat the illness of society.
>         Other than the invitation that we consider how we can use  
> psychology, sociometry, and other concepts to help--- and I agree  
> that its worthwhile to consider such approaches---         I await  
> more specific formulations and suggestions. Glad that you're doing  
> the research.
>
>     3. as an amateur student of the history of medicine, though, it  
> turns out that illness is a broad category with hundreds of general  
> types of illness with thousands of different kinds of actual  
> factors--        and thousands of ways these generate different  
> kinds of illness
>
>       There was a time when all illness was thought of as a simple  
> imbalance of four humors..
>           but we know now that it's far, far more complex.
>
>    I see no reason why our socio-economic-political issues are any  
> less complex than our medical illnesses.
>
>    Nor do I have any intuitions that Moreno's contributions---as  
> valuable as I consider them to be---constitute more than a tiny  
> fraction of all they types of interventions that could usefully be  
> made.
>          Of course, I do hope we can help disseminate these various  
> contributions and help them be applied.
>
>     What do you think?  Warmly, Adam
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"  
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> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:57 PM
> Subject: Dear Colleagues
>
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> For some years now I have made comments, sometimes expressing my
>> discomfort with the world and my concern for addressing the world in
>> a new way and fully rooted in our method.
>>
>> I have struggled with trying to find the right documents in which
>> Moreno's social vision, the sociatric meaning of his method, and the
>> full measure of his vision, documents in which Moreno's sociatric
>> theories might be teased out into a form all their own; attempting to
>> find anything that reflects a Morenean point of view.  For me that
>> means finding formulas by which his view can be understood in simple
>> terms: as sociatric instruments. We see the movement forward
>> everywhere in a new wave of Morenean technology for the 21st
>> Century:in Jacob's book, Tian, Kate, Adam, the work in the British
>> and Australian centers.  I remember a series of email exchanges here
>> from Australia in which Moreno was being called a revolutionary of
>> creativity.  I liked that a lot!
>>
>> We are finishing a major phase of this research, and we can feel
>> fairly certain that we have found a few documents we believe will
>> prove some light on our way forward with sociatry, if that is what we
>> wish do do. For example, one document describes us as "world
>> therapists" and darn, that is how I see our work.
>>
>> I am not so comfortable talking about this informally.  I prefer a
>> presentation within an informal setting.  So I am inviting you to
>> come to Rowe to meet Derrick Jensen and to share in our unfolding of
>> sociatry.   This is a long unfolding, done with all of us together,
>> who want to cooperate to find a solution to the world crisis - our
>> solution - sociometry - group structures - internal and hidden
>> structures operating below the level of the formal organizational
>> structures - impacting all of humanity and the earth itself.  For me
>> it is an honor to work with Derrick, who is the philosopher poet of
>> the environmental movement.  He is difficult, be warned!  Derrick is
>> uncompromising in showing a mirror of the world that is difficult to
>> see.  It is the mirror of the natural world showing itself, in his
>> poetry and his prose.  His work is that of a master story teller, a
>> stand up comic, a performance artist and an author. He has been
>> called one of the "100 Truth Tellers of America".
>>
>> When psychodrama combines with environmentalism, this can happen:
>> the world can talk to us through surplus reality. The polar bears can
>> join us in our room and on the stage! The oceans can speak to us, as
>> can the rivers, streams, fading forests, dying seas. And so can hope
>> talk to us.
>>
>> Welcome 2008 as we approach 2012, for whatever that may mean or not
>> mean.  What we do know so far is that ABC News reported the science
>> from Indonesian Conference on Global Climate Change reporting
>> nationally that if 2007 summer is any indication of things to come,
>> there may no l ice in the summer in the Arctic by 2012.  What else do
>> we know?  We know for sure: that we don't know the implications of no
>> ice and what that will be for the entire ecology of the earth.  This
>> much we know:  we don't know but there are some projections of
>> droughts, flooding from rising seas, more extreme changes.  Every
>> time scientists offer a projection based upon computer readouts, the
>> projections soon prove to be false because, and this is the issue,
>> things seem to be happening more quickly than the computer
>> projections suggest.  I know, I know, some of our friends will call
>> me an urgent alarmist.  Well, it seems kind of urgent to me and I
>> hear some element of alarm.  After all, what might happen if more
>> bees die off?  Moreno's understanding of the forces of society seem,
>> well, critical. Moreno's theories about sociatry can be helpful for
>> the whole of mankind. Sounds like so much fun.
>>
>> We will be sharing this in San Antonio and at the Grenada Conference
>> in May. Time to share.
>> Best,
>> Ed
>>
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