sociatry
thana ag
anathga at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 18 21:42:32 CST 2008
Hi Ed,
What are the 4 forces (mega sociometric structeres ) you speak of? please let us know what you have found .
anath
> From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: sociatry
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:52:27 -0500
> To: adam at blatner.com
> CC: list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> Nice reply Adam, thank you for being supportive.
> Well, here is where Moreno gets very interesting for me.
> The illness of society (of our culture, the world whole civilization
> for a fact) can be,
> from a Morenean point of view, made so clear that we can find 4 mega-
> sociometric structures
> impacting, influencing all other structures. These 4 mega-
> sociometric structures are what have to
> be understood and addressed - and here is the mind-blower: these 4
> forces (mega-structures) are
> revealed in a group, family, organization, etc., with sociometry. We
> have to simply over-lay sociatric
> theories on top of sociometry and then sociometry illuminates within
> a group the 4 mega-structures.
>
> Nothing is original, which is also so damn cool for me.
> Nothing I am writing or saying is original to me: it's all Moreno's
> in his unpublished and some obscure material.
> Like Alice in Wonderland, or Harry Potter in the world of magic, I
> feel we are simply finding gems Moreno left hidden,
> but not hidden; waiting for this time.
>
> THE BEST book is Jonathan Moreno's book: MIND WARS. I urge you read
> it.
> Ed
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>
> > Dear Ed,
> > 1. The world is in big trouble. I acknowledge your alarm.
> > I wish you well in your workshop.
> > 2. The vision of sociatry is one I agree with. Iatros---
> > physician. Socios-- the soci-economic-political system. How to
> > treat the illness of society.
> > Other than the invitation that we consider how we can use
> > psychology, sociometry, and other concepts to help--- and I agree
> > that its worthwhile to consider such approaches--- I await
> > more specific formulations and suggestions. Glad that you're doing
> > the research.
> >
> > 3. as an amateur student of the history of medicine, though, it
> > turns out that illness is a broad category with hundreds of general
> > types of illness with thousands of different kinds of actual
> > factors-- and thousands of ways these generate different
> > kinds of illness
> >
> > There was a time when all illness was thought of as a simple
> > imbalance of four humors..
> > but we know now that it's far, far more complex.
> >
> > I see no reason why our socio-economic-political issues are any
> > less complex than our medical illnesses.
> >
> > Nor do I have any intuitions that Moreno's contributions---as
> > valuable as I consider them to be---constitute more than a tiny
> > fraction of all they types of interventions that could usefully be
> > made.
> > Of course, I do hope we can help disseminate these various
> > contributions and help them be applied.
> >
> > What do you think? Warmly, Adam
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"
> > <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> > To: "grouptalk Listserv" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:57 PM
> > Subject: Dear Colleagues
> >
> >
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >>
> >> For some years now I have made comments, sometimes expressing my
> >> discomfort with the world and my concern for addressing the world in
> >> a new way and fully rooted in our method.
> >>
> >> I have struggled with trying to find the right documents in which
> >> Moreno's social vision, the sociatric meaning of his method, and the
> >> full measure of his vision, documents in which Moreno's sociatric
> >> theories might be teased out into a form all their own; attempting to
> >> find anything that reflects a Morenean point of view. For me that
> >> means finding formulas by which his view can be understood in simple
> >> terms: as sociatric instruments. We see the movement forward
> >> everywhere in a new wave of Morenean technology for the 21st
> >> Century:in Jacob's book, Tian, Kate, Adam, the work in the British
> >> and Australian centers. I remember a series of email exchanges here
> >> from Australia in which Moreno was being called a revolutionary of
> >> creativity. I liked that a lot!
> >>
> >> We are finishing a major phase of this research, and we can feel
> >> fairly certain that we have found a few documents we believe will
> >> prove some light on our way forward with sociatry, if that is what we
> >> wish do do. For example, one document describes us as "world
> >> therapists" and darn, that is how I see our work.
> >>
> >> I am not so comfortable talking about this informally. I prefer a
> >> presentation within an informal setting. So I am inviting you to
> >> come to Rowe to meet Derrick Jensen and to share in our unfolding of
> >> sociatry. This is a long unfolding, done with all of us together,
> >> who want to cooperate to find a solution to the world crisis - our
> >> solution - sociometry - group structures - internal and hidden
> >> structures operating below the level of the formal organizational
> >> structures - impacting all of humanity and the earth itself. For me
> >> it is an honor to work with Derrick, who is the philosopher poet of
> >> the environmental movement. He is difficult, be warned! Derrick is
> >> uncompromising in showing a mirror of the world that is difficult to
> >> see. It is the mirror of the natural world showing itself, in his
> >> poetry and his prose. His work is that of a master story teller, a
> >> stand up comic, a performance artist and an author. He has been
> >> called one of the "100 Truth Tellers of America".
> >>
> >> When psychodrama combines with environmentalism, this can happen:
> >> the world can talk to us through surplus reality. The polar bears can
> >> join us in our room and on the stage! The oceans can speak to us, as
> >> can the rivers, streams, fading forests, dying seas. And so can hope
> >> talk to us.
> >>
> >> Welcome 2008 as we approach 2012, for whatever that may mean or not
> >> mean. What we do know so far is that ABC News reported the science
> >> from Indonesian Conference on Global Climate Change reporting
> >> nationally that if 2007 summer is any indication of things to come,
> >> there may no l ice in the summer in the Arctic by 2012. What else do
> >> we know? We know for sure: that we don't know the implications of no
> >> ice and what that will be for the entire ecology of the earth. This
> >> much we know: we don't know but there are some projections of
> >> droughts, flooding from rising seas, more extreme changes. Every
> >> time scientists offer a projection based upon computer readouts, the
> >> projections soon prove to be false because, and this is the issue,
> >> things seem to be happening more quickly than the computer
> >> projections suggest. I know, I know, some of our friends will call
> >> me an urgent alarmist. Well, it seems kind of urgent to me and I
> >> hear some element of alarm. After all, what might happen if more
> >> bees die off? Moreno's understanding of the forces of society seem,
> >> well, critical. Moreno's theories about sociatry can be helpful for
> >> the whole of mankind. Sounds like so much fun.
> >>
> >> We will be sharing this in San Antonio and at the Grenada Conference
> >> in May. Time to share.
> >> Best,
> >> Ed
> >>
> >>
> >>
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