Fwd: sociatry

Sat Jan 19 09:34:07 CST 2008

Hi Adam,
I want to restate what I wrote earlier:
I find Moreno's work on human civilization so compelling
that it demands of me (and deserves in my book) not a fly-by-night
discussion on this site.  As I wrote, we will be addressing this in a  
pre-conference
workshop relating it to psychodrama and sociodrama and Adam Barcroft  
and I will
be presenting the material, at least a summary of it, in our 2 hour  
workshop on sociatric formulas.

I cannot, in fact will not pass this along with the kind of  
informality of grouptalk.  Moreno's brilliance
demands more than that, from me at least and many others I am sure.

Hope you understand.
Best,
Ed

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> From: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> Date: January 19, 2008 10:26:04 AM EST
> To: "Edward Schreiber" <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: sociatry
> Reply-To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>
> You didn't read my note carefully. I have it, I read it, I couldn't  
> find what you were referring to. What am I missing?
>      Please identify the key phrases and associated paragraphs.
>                    You are more immersed in appreciating the  
> meanings, perhaps. I find Moreno dense and confusing. Occasionally  
> I can isolate a clear point that I can build on, but much of his  
> writing rambles around, shoots from the hip, and so forth.
>          I sense a grand vision, and resonate with parts of it, but  
> ah, the specifics...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"  
> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: sociatry
>
>
>> if you want, I an copy the chapter and send it to you via us mail.
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>    I did, I read it, I couldn't find it.
>>>     You're not meeting me half-way, pal.
>>>             I confess my ignorance in my ablility to  
>>> talmudically  elucidate the density of implications in Moreno's  
>>> writings.
>>>     re: These 4   mega- sociometric structures are what have to  
>>> be  understood and addressed  - and here is the mind-blower:   
>>> these 4  forces (mega- structures)  are revealed in a group,  
>>> family,  organization, etc.,
>>>      (AB: the only list of four was his listing of 4 types of   
>>> government--anarchistic, utopian, democratic and socialistic-- 
>>> and  he hardly comments on these p 175). I'm back-channeling you.  
>>> If you  would prefer we drop this, okay. I don't want to make an  
>>> issue of  it.            ..
>>>  Warmly, Adam
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"   
>>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: sociatry
>>>
>>>
>>>> well, I would advise this then:
>>>> go to Sociometry, Experimental Method and the Science of Society.
>>>> Go to, I suggest, the chapter on Political Sociometry.
>>>> It's all there.
>>>> In black and white.
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> nope, I've got a bunch of other fish to fry, and I'm not  
>>>>> warmed  up  to the matrix of associations and ideas.
>>>>>    Since I do like the process of discussion, a gentle   
>>>>> encounter,  I'll meet you part-way: If you give me some hints,   
>>>>> ideas, tell me  what you think so far, I'll play with you in  
>>>>> an  encouraging way,  emphasizing what we can build.
>>>>>    (It will be understood that I don't yet buy the hypothesis   
>>>>> that  such a thesis can be successfully developed, but I'll  
>>>>> put  that to  the side for a while. Maybe I'll discover with  
>>>>> you what  your  intuition is getting at.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"    
>>>>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: sociatry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>> Well, here is my suggestion ----- and a serious one -----  
>>>>>> why   don't  you see
>>>>>> if you can see these 4 forces ---- and see if you can  
>>>>>> describe   them  ---- to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Ed, I await an elucidation of the idea that... as you   
>>>>>>> just   said, "The illness of society (of our culture, the  
>>>>>>> world  whole   civilization   for a fact) can be, from a  
>>>>>>> Morenean  point of  view,  made so clear that we can find 4  
>>>>>>> mega- sociometric structures impacting, influencing all  
>>>>>>> other  structures.  These 4 mega- sociometric structures are  
>>>>>>> what  have to be understood and  addressed  - and here is the  
>>>>>>> mind- blower:  these 4 forces (mega- structures)  are  
>>>>>>> revealed in a group, family, organization, etc.,  with  
>>>>>>> sociometry. We have to  simply over-lay sociatric theories  
>>>>>>> on  top of  sociometry and  then sociometry illuminates  
>>>>>>> within a group  the 4 mega-structures.
>>>>>>>     Until I get that elucidation, I am wary. If you're  
>>>>>>> right,  it   would be great! Warmly, Adam
>>>>>>>  p.s., what are the "mega-structures"? That might help me  
>>>>>>> warm   up  to what you're trying to say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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