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[Adam Blatner]

Hi Ed, 
      Spunky proposal. First let me comment on your response:
    ES:  Well, we can agree that there is a "certain kind of discourse operated in the last few hundred years."...as you wrote below. The discourse I find interesting is the use of rhetoric that I find really interesting: American Civilization is the best in the world . . . 
    AB   . . and then you go on to describe the many ways a good deal of contemporary propaganda and denial sustains illusions of superiority and complacency. 
         first. I don't disagree that much discourse is foolish and superficial. I don't think in any way what I wrote even barely hinted at this. So I was talking about whether there could be serious discussion online and it seems you are replying by talking about totally different topics. I said apples and you didn't say oranges, you said, "what about ecological catastrophe looming?"   Wha?
   
     ES   It is that language and that rhetoric underneath the words JL and Zerka point us to. 
   AB: sure, I'm all for sociodrama, plus the analysis of rhetoric, logical fallacies, propaganda devices, spin doctoring.. etc. 
   
     ES  It's the magic of our method, it unfolds before us the existential nature of the first universe, the unbounded life. 
        ab: you seem to be suggesting that anything so wonderful, resonating with the glories of nature and the cosmos... should obviate the possibility that by alluding to these noble thoughts one might say anything foolish, logically unconnected...  however, this idea is itself illogical. 
   
      Ed, you are undoubtedly right and good about many things! But your style of discourse tends towards an appeal more to emotion than to my style of thinking. So I enjoy your friendship, but decline your challenge to do a joint workshop in 2009. 
Thanks for your spirit: "A Kick-Ass Proposal to Adam Blatner from Ed Schreiber" but it's not my way of doing things.   Warmly, Adam
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