Invite

[Edward Schreiber]

A few thoughts on my side to Bud's sharing:

> "Sociometry has developed two types of instruments, instruments for  
> diagnosing social structures and instruments for changing them.
> BW::THere is only one real type of sociometry that has any  
> substantial validity and usefulness as for as I am concerned and  
> that is action sociometric processes involved in situ where the  
> choices will be acted upon and the results show to all involved.  
> OTherwise, with no results and no ction to follow, people are prone  
> to give less meaningful responses and vote in a political fashion  
> for popularity.
>
WELL, I cannot disagree with these thoughts in their essence but I am  
still left with this question:  What is revolutionary sociometry that  
addresses the underlying stasious and internal structures to  
humankind?  Another way to ask the questions is, how do we go from  
sociometry as a diagnostic tool to sociometry to a tool of "social  
revolution" as Moreno wrote about.  AND HERE IS THE IMPORTANT POINT:   
He was not talking about a violent revolution, but one deeper.   
Almost like he was saying:  go for the catharsis of integration not  
just abreaction - socially.  What he wrote below:

> "Sociometric revolutions do not promise violent and rapid results.  
> They dig deep and their success depends upon a new learning process  
> applied to small groups.
> BW: In my way of thinking, real action sociometry is in and of  
> itself revolutionary. THe dilemma is that it takes a forward  
> thinking non reactionary administrator or leader to institute it.   
> REMEMBER THE PSYCHODRAMA MOVEMENT ITSELF HAS NEVER SOCIOMETRIZED  
> ITSELF REGARDLESS OF WHAT PDers TALK ABOUT>

WELL, this is a difficult and a darn good point in my view of things  
(and again, this is just my view).  What does it mean for a  
sociometric administrator to be non-reactionary?    Given the  
situation we find ourselves in (again:  What happens where there is  
no longer ice on the arctic in 2012?  We don't know but we can bet it  
won't be good).  Who Shall Suvive? is the question, "world  
therapists" is the directive from Moreno in another unpublished  
document we found called "Manifesto".

Ed

>
>
> Nuff Said by me, probably too much. Bud
> Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>> Date: January 20, 2008 1:32:34 PM EST
>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>> Subject: Re: Invite
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>
>>> I did read it in the book, and again online, and I can't figure  
>>> out what more specifically we can or should do with these general  
>>> ideas.
>> Wow, that's so interesting.  I am on the opposite pole!  I see so  
>> much that we (I) can do.
>>
>>> If you, Ed, or any of the others, come up with some specifics, it  
>>> may serve to warm me up... the "oh, if that's how they mean it,  
>>> maybe then... " leading to some fertility in my mind. Right now I  
>>> just don't get it yet.
>>
>> Here are some of the points that call first to me:
>> "It is into the structure of the socius therefore, that a  
>> revolutionary effort has to put its teeth if a lasting and true  
>> cure of social ills is to be effected."\
>>
>> There is so much to this statement for me.
>> Like:  What structure? And what is the socius that has been  
>> throughout history - that we seen now?
>> For instance, what is the relationship of this structure and  
>> socius to the consumption of the natural world and the collapse of  
>> ecosystems?
>> And what is the structure and socius - and how does this play  
>> itself out in the face of humanity?
>> Can we see it?
>>
>> Here is another line I like:
>> "Sociometry has developed two types of instruments, instruments  
>> for diagnosing social structures and instruments for changing  
>> them. The sociometric test, psychodrama, sociodrama and axiodrama  
>> among others can be used for diagnosis as well as for social  
>> revolution."
>> So, we have these instruments for diagnosis but we don't yet have  
>> the fitted for social revolution.
>> Do we want to?
>> What does social revolution mean, from our tradition of Moreno? I  
>> like this from Political Sociometry:
>> "Sociometric revolutions do not promise violent and rapid results.  
>> They dig deep and their success depends upon a new learning  
>> process applied to small groups. Similar to the infant, mankind  
>> will mature only step by step and to the degree to which  
>> sociometric consciousness will refashion our social institutions,  
>> the structural readiness of mankind for a world society will  
>> ripen.  Many wars and social upheavals will torture its sick body.  
>> In this transition the doctor may be more important than the  
>> engineer."
>>
>> So this means that a social revolution can be be sociometric in  
>> nature.
>> What does this mean for the socius and the structures of society?
>> What does this all mean in real life for humanity and the natural  
>> world?
>> How do we transition sociometry from a diagnostic system to one of  
>> social revolution?
>> Do we want to do that?
>> If so, why?
>> If not, why not?
>>
>> I also like this phrase too: "The dilemma of Marxism can be summed  
>> up in one phrase: its ignorance of the dynamic social structure of  
>> human society."
>>
>> And this is the dilemma of our situation too.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>>
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