Fwd: A Sociometric Revolution

[Edward Schreiber]

it's prophet, sorry!



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> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> Date: January 21, 2008 11:26:12 AM EST
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> Subject: Fwd: A Sociometric Revolution
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>> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>> Date: January 21, 2008 11:25:31 AM EST
>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>
>> Subject: Re: A Sociometric Revolution
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>>
>> Sorry Adam but I have to comment.
>> I find your comment "painfully reductionistic" to be painfully  
>> reductionistic for me.
>> To suggest that Moreno's understanding of human society (who will  
>> survive) and his writing about sociatric forces
>> manifesting in sociometry - to be painfully reductionistic is to  
>> miss the pure genius of Moreno.  His brilliance is the
>> utter simplicity of what is so hard to see.  I am very clear that  
>> JL Moreno was not only a psychiatrist, but to be honest,
>> a kind of modern day profit who saw things, named them, created  
>> tools to heal them, and left the whole thing for those who follow.
>>
>> Although I find your suggestions for action reasonable, I don't  
>> take well to demeaning Moreno as "painfully reductionistic".  I  
>> see it the exact
>> opposite:  painfully awake.
>>
>> Ed
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>>
>> On Jan 21, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>
>>> That there are power gradients in our society, and even  
>>> oppression, is not a thesis I would dispute. That these gradients  
>>> can begin to be categorized as the "sociodynamic effect" is, to  
>>> me, painfully reductionistic, akin to saying, "Aha! I have  
>>> determined the Van Gogh's paintings are in color! Wow! Color is  
>>> the key. Now if we can just figure out color, we'll understand  
>>> his art!"
>>>
>>>        Also, that there are major challenges that should not be  
>>> ignored or devalued is again not disputed. That it follows that  
>>> our concepts of sociatry and its related methods have much to  
>>> contribute to the solution of these challenges has not yet been  
>>> established. It is possible that our tools are as yet still  
>>> immature, insufficiently generalized.
>>>
>>>       There are periods in the history of science in which  
>>> immature technology is insufficent: For example, around 1870-1970  
>>> the emerging science of inoculation against infectious disease  
>>> was still too new and that this technology often was ineffective  
>>> or plagued by side effects, not recognizing impurities or knowing  
>>> how to eliminate them, etc. (Indeed, after 20 years, we still  
>>> haven't figured out how to get around the devious and clever ways  
>>> certain viruses evade the creation of an effective inoculation.)
>>>
>>>        So, I await some ideas and technologies that can be  
>>> clearly described---not just vaguely hoped for. I wish I were  
>>> clever enough to come up with some, but at this point, not yet.
>>>        Well, there are a few components that I've been working  
>>> on, such as--
>>> -- promoting the teaching of practical psychology in the core  
>>> curriculum beginning in middle school
>>> -- using role theory as a user-friendly language for this
>>> -- using experiential methods such as role playing, etc., as  
>>> pedagogic techniques for the above
>>> -- identifying cultural illusions and trying to structure  
>>> specific ways of countering them (see my blog)
>>>        and so forth.
>>>
>>>      Warmly, Adam
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"  
>>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "grouptalk Listserv" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:10 PM
>>> Subject: A Sociometric Revolution
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>>>
>>>> Oh, just in case some of us feel such a thing is not really needed,
>>>> I suggest some great darn solid research:
>>>>
>>>> UNDUE RISK:  SECRET STATE EXPERIMENTS ON HUMANS
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> MIND WARS - BRAIN RESEARCH AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both highly recommended.
>>>> If you want to see the sociodynamic effect.
>>>>
>>>> Both, by the way, are by Jonathan.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
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