andrew cohen's quote

[Kim Cox]

Dear Ed,

If you re-read my comments, you'll note that I do not want you to say what I
or anyone should "do," I am pointing out that most of your writings on this
listserv are telling us what we should do. And to cushion your
questions/concerns (as you did to Adam) in a context that comes across as
demanding, sarcastic, and judgmental, is totally opposite of what I expected
from a psychodrama listserv. If that's what this listserv is evolving into,
then I'd rather engage in a separate listserv for real discussions about
psychodrama (which is why I had suggested to you before about taking this to
the forum page).

Try the role reversal and see what happens.

Thanks,

Kim

On Jan 22, 2008 10:20 AM, <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi Kim,
> Thanks for your comments.
> If I lived in pre-nazi germany I would do just what I am doing now (I hope
> I would at least) which is point to
> the social conditions.  If you want me to say what you should (or Adam or
> anyone for that matter) "do", I cannot.
> I am slimply asking questions that are based upon my research of Moreno's
> work and the science unfolding
> about the one issue that will increase hate groups I believe when there's
> not too much oil we can afford, or
> when things get worse with the imploding economy and all it means.  I am
> pointing to concerns suggesting
> that I have found some answers to some questions and the answers, for me,
> have to be lived out over time.
>
> Thanks!
> Ed
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Cox
> Sent: Jan 22, 2008 9:31 AM
> To: Grouptalk Listserv
> Subject: Re: andrew cohen's quote
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> I just read through the dialogue/debate that you and Adam have been having
> recently, and I just want to add my 2 cents worth. Note, these are my
> thoughts only, I am not speaking for anyone else on this listserv, but would
> invite others to share their thoughts as well.
>
> Particularly after I read your response below, I was reminded of our
> previous exchanges, and I think role reversals would be ideal here.
>
> I understand, especially after attending just a couple of your workshops
> on your new curriculum, that you have a lot of energy and that you are in
> "drastic" mode in regards to what's happening to our Earth. I applaud your
> passion, love, and energy, and admire how much you want to make a difference
> in this world.
>
> What I hope you can understand is that:
>
> (1) It is difficult to "grasp" or understand your e-mails on this subject
> because they are overloaded with emotion and "heady" writing; thus, instead
> of a clear understanding I am left with only a "tease" of your ideas (we've
> talked about writing e-mail vs. showing in action).
>
> (2) Especially after reading your response below, it's become even more
> apparent to me that your attempted dialogue/debate in e-mails like this one
> creates what I would call "accountable energy" - as if I need to be
> accountable to you and your questions/demands of what I SHOULD be doing in
> my psychodramatic work/life). This imposed accountability does not, in my
> opinion, inspire me to want to continue to read what you write or
> dialogue/debate. This kind of energy reminds me personally of when I first
> got very involved in the Christian faith and then when I was so energized by
> my relationship with God, I was met with some Christians who felt that I
> wasn't being Christian enough in my beliefs, not like them.
>
> (3) Finally, a thought about the fear discussion. I feel like there are
> enough people in superior positions (i.e. government) that are trying to
> keep our society in a state of fear. As a result, fear can be more of a
> paralysis. Having more of this type of superior "fear" energy added to it
> does not help move me into action. In regards to our society, I personally
> have more concerns around the hate groups growing in the U.S. than I do of
> the ice caps melting (I find more accurate information in the research of
> hate groups rather than the global warming studies). It's different for
> everyone.
>
> Ed, you know I respect you for your thoughts and feelings, I just ask for
> your respect for mine and others if we are not ready to jump into your boat
> without looking back (I may need to go for a swim first and I may never get
> in the boat). Something to think about with the listserv communications.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Kim
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 6:06 PM, Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >  I love this last line from you Adam, "Fear-based thinking, as I have
> > said, and others, also, can overload the circuits and while some are driven
> > into avoidance, denial, distraction, others are driven into fanaticism, the
> > sense that drastic steps must be taken---and fall prey to any passing
> > demagogue.
> >
> >
> > And that's my point!  We are living with fear based thinking, being
> > introduced for who knows what reasons (control of resources perhaps) and we
> > are
> >
> > living in a culture of denial, distraction and fanaticsm, the sense for
> > drastic steps must be taken..."
> >
> > Well Adam, no drastic steps have to be taken for you maybe.
> > But what about the rest of the world?
> >
> > Have you read "any" reports of late about the state of the environment?
> >  Is that "drastic" to you?  Do you feel "drastic steps" are needed,
> > or shall we let it all slide away?   Is your status as a white, MD,
> > American in any way related to your sense of the issues at hand, related
> > in particular to the (assumed) non-drastic steps we can take our
> > leisure?   I would be the 140 species per day going extinct would possibly
> > consider this drastic, if they had a voice, or if we could hear them.
> >  Or how about the sliding ice caps in the arctic Adam?  Is that okay?  Well,
> > it might impact the poor black and brown people living in coastal
> > communities, but well, is that drastic?
> >
> > I agree:  it is fear based, fanatic, denial, distraction that I am
> > suggesting we face - not suggesting anything other than we honestly face the
> > urgency. Oh, probably Al Gore is wrong, probably the 2089 scientists
> > calling this an emergency are wrong, perhaps our food shelves will for
> > awhile stay full as long as we can secure the oil we need to keep this
> > insanity going.  But it's not an emergency, it sounds, to you, given the
> > fact that as you once told me, you may be long gone before the next
> > generation must deal with this.  What does that imply?
> >
> > Ed
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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