andrew cohen's quote

[T. Treadwell]

This is from Tom -

No - this listserv does not support 'demands or judgemental' posts.  If
posts continue in that vein - please let me know.  This is not a personal
political venue and post of that nature will not be tolerated.

tom


> Dear Ed,
>
> If you re-read my comments, you'll note that I do not want you to say what
> I
> or anyone should "do," I am pointing out that most of your writings on
> this
> listserv are telling us what we should do. And to cushion your
> questions/concerns (as you did to Adam) in a context that comes across as
> demanding, sarcastic, and judgmental, is totally opposite of what I
> expected
> from a psychodrama listserv. If that's what this listserv is evolving
> into,
> then I'd rather engage in a separate listserv for real discussions about
> psychodrama (which is why I had suggested to you before about taking this
> to
> the forum page).
>
> Try the role reversal and see what happens.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kim
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 10:20 AM, <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>> Thanks for your comments.
>> If I lived in pre-nazi germany I would do just what I am doing now (I
>> hope
>> I would at least) which is point to
>> the social conditions.  If you want me to say what you should (or Adam
>> or
>> anyone for that matter) "do", I cannot.
>> I am slimply asking questions that are based upon my research of
>> Moreno's
>> work and the science unfolding
>> about the one issue that will increase hate groups I believe when
>> there's
>> not too much oil we can afford, or
>> when things get worse with the imploding economy and all it means.  I am
>> pointing to concerns suggesting
>> that I have found some answers to some questions and the answers, for
>> me,
>> have to be lived out over time.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kim Cox
>> Sent: Jan 22, 2008 9:31 AM
>> To: Grouptalk Listserv
>> Subject: Re: andrew cohen's quote
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> I just read through the dialogue/debate that you and Adam have been
>> having
>> recently, and I just want to add my 2 cents worth. Note, these are my
>> thoughts only, I am not speaking for anyone else on this listserv, but
>> would
>> invite others to share their thoughts as well.
>>
>> Particularly after I read your response below, I was reminded of our
>> previous exchanges, and I think role reversals would be ideal here.
>>
>> I understand, especially after attending just a couple of your workshops
>> on your new curriculum, that you have a lot of energy and that you are
>> in
>> "drastic" mode in regards to what's happening to our Earth. I applaud
>> your
>> passion, love, and energy, and admire how much you want to make a
>> difference
>> in this world.
>>
>> What I hope you can understand is that:
>>
>> (1) It is difficult to "grasp" or understand your e-mails on this
>> subject
>> because they are overloaded with emotion and "heady" writing; thus,
>> instead
>> of a clear understanding I am left with only a "tease" of your ideas
>> (we've
>> talked about writing e-mail vs. showing in action).
>>
>> (2) Especially after reading your response below, it's become even more
>> apparent to me that your attempted dialogue/debate in e-mails like this
>> one
>> creates what I would call "accountable energy" - as if I need to be
>> accountable to you and your questions/demands of what I SHOULD be doing
>> in
>> my psychodramatic work/life). This imposed accountability does not, in
>> my
>> opinion, inspire me to want to continue to read what you write or
>> dialogue/debate. This kind of energy reminds me personally of when I
>> first
>> got very involved in the Christian faith and then when I was so
>> energized by
>> my relationship with God, I was met with some Christians who felt that I
>> wasn't being Christian enough in my beliefs, not like them.
>>
>> (3) Finally, a thought about the fear discussion. I feel like there are
>> enough people in superior positions (i.e. government) that are trying to
>> keep our society in a state of fear. As a result, fear can be more of a
>> paralysis. Having more of this type of superior "fear" energy added to
>> it
>> does not help move me into action. In regards to our society, I
>> personally
>> have more concerns around the hate groups growing in the U.S. than I do
>> of
>> the ice caps melting (I find more accurate information in the research
>> of
>> hate groups rather than the global warming studies). It's different for
>> everyone.
>>
>> Ed, you know I respect you for your thoughts and feelings, I just ask
>> for
>> your respect for mine and others if we are not ready to jump into your
>> boat
>> without looking back (I may need to go for a swim first and I may never
>> get
>> in the boat). Something to think about with the listserv communications.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2008 6:06 PM, Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  I love this last line from you Adam, "Fear-based thinking, as I have
>> > said, and others, also, can overload the circuits and while some are
>> driven
>> > into avoidance, denial, distraction, others are driven into
>> fanaticism, the
>> > sense that drastic steps must be taken---and fall prey to any passing
>> > demagogue.
>> >
>> >
>> > And that's my point!  We are living with fear based thinking, being
>> > introduced for who knows what reasons (control of resources perhaps)
>> and we
>> > are
>> >
>> > living in a culture of denial, distraction and fanaticsm, the sense
>> for
>> > drastic steps must be taken..."
>> >
>> > Well Adam, no drastic steps have to be taken for you maybe.
>> > But what about the rest of the world?
>> >
>> > Have you read "any" reports of late about the state of the
>> environment?
>> >  Is that "drastic" to you?  Do you feel "drastic steps" are needed,
>> > or shall we let it all slide away?   Is your status as a white, MD,
>> > American in any way related to your sense of the issues at hand,
>> related
>> > in particular to the (assumed) non-drastic steps we can take our
>> > leisure?   I would be the 140 species per day going extinct would
>> possibly
>> > consider this drastic, if they had a voice, or if we could hear them.
>> >  Or how about the sliding ice caps in the arctic Adam?  Is that okay?
>> Well,
>> > it might impact the poor black and brown people living in coastal
>> > communities, but well, is that drastic?
>> >
>> > I agree:  it is fear based, fanatic, denial, distraction that I am
>> > suggesting we face - not suggesting anything other than we honestly
>> face the
>> > urgency. Oh, probably Al Gore is wrong, probably the 2089 scientists
>> > calling this an emergency are wrong, perhaps our food shelves will for
>> > awhile stay full as long as we can secure the oil we need to keep this
>> > insanity going.  But it's not an emergency, it sounds, to you, given
>> the
>> > fact that as you once told me, you may be long gone before the next
>> > generation must deal with this.  What does that imply?
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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