grouptalk discussions

[edwschreiber at earthlink.net]

Hi Peter,
Thanks for this note.
My colleagues are asking me to take my concerns, anxiety about the peak-oil dilemma we are now facing, the problems of civilization and to dedicate myself to finishing the research on Sociatry.  I doubt it will ever be finished.  I realize I can be a bit of a jerk too - when I fail to communicate what I see happening around us in a way that's helpful.  Adam Blatner is my colleague and friend and we've been talking off-site and getting our thoughts together, which I appreciate.  I will direct myself to this research and apologize for being so sensitive about it all.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Howie <peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2008 4:55 PM
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>Subject: Re: grouptalk discussions
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>Hi Ed and Adam,
>
>A few years ago I was in a talk by a presenter at an award and he was 
>talking about certain whole-world hard systems ideas.He mentioned a 
>researcher that would only discuss his work if a group gave him 7 full days 
>to present his work. because it was hard, complicated, required a minimal 
>understanding of mathematics and he didn't want people translating his 
>findings and perspectives into their own.
>
>I thought that was a gutsy effort (to insist and also believe the work 
>warranted it) and apparently they all stayed, and they learned and they 
>were effected - they -being politicians and policy makers - the work being 
>about positive and negative feedback loops in the larger world systems.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>  At 07:07 AM 1/20/2008 -0500, Edward Schreiber wrote:
>>I will present (as best I am able) JL Moreno's thesis about society
>>and sociatry (not my own).
>>Sorry Adam, his thesis requires much attention and so we have decided
>>to take it on the road beginning with San Antonio.
>>Regarding dire warnings: are you reading the news?  Even the
>>corporate dominated news is leaking the collapse.
>>Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>>
>> > Hi again, writing from the library:
>> >   ES the point is that the material deserves a few hours of
>> > attention, not here.
>> > AB: my point is that unless a thesis can be presented in coherent
>> > rational style, I can't readily address it. It might be buried in
>> > all manner of verbal and nonverbal complexification, plus the
>> > complexities of group dynamics. That might be okay for certain
>> > kinds of issues, but I am not yet convinced that you have come up
>> > with anything specific that can be talked about. So far all I've
>> > heard are platitudes, noble aspirations, and dire warnings.
>> >      Not that I can know whether you're "wrong," but all I can say
>> > is that isn't the way my mind and conversation works best. Warmly,
>> > adam
>>
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