subtle oppresion

Tue Jul 15 09:38:53 CDT 2008

Dear Anath,

I found very interesting your question about how many in this list serve ever experienced this phenomenon that you are calling "subtle oppresion". I, particularly, have a very recent example of what I thinking you are referring to.
I have been living a dilemma in my life which is related to a very important decision i have to take. I tend to make a certain choice but this would imply to quit my job, which is considered in Brazil everyone´s dream, that is, a well-paid and stable work for brazil´s government, which i can keep for the rest of my life. This job would be the guarantee of a very good upper middle-class life for the rest of my days, ´till i grow up very old. And this is especially relevant in the city where i live, which is the capitol of the country and where everybody wants to find a job position at the goverment.

But for everybody´s schock, i´m seriously considering to quit the job and risk a season studying overseas, to maybe come back unemployed. So, coming back to your point, right now I feel completly oppressed everytime i try to speak up my will, that is following this dream overseas, which is considered completly unaccepted by most of the public opinion here. I leave here my testimony hoping it will serve as an example for your future researches on this topic (and I also hope that i understood right and that this was the kind of statement you were looking for. If it was not and i got it all wrong, my sincere apologies).

Greetings from brazil,

Cinthia

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: thana ag > To: REGINA SEWELL ; list at grouptalkweb.org > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:00 PM> Subject: RE: Subtle oppression> > > Adam,Ann,Regina,> Hmmm. Very interesting.> I just wonder how many on this list serve feel oppressed by their perception that what they have to say will be totally off according to the perceived expectations of what is acceptable. for these discussions. Would one of these presumably oppressed speak up,and help us "walk the talk"? How will we respond?!> > anath> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> From: sewell.2 at osu.edu> To: list at grouptalkweb.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:33:54 -0400> Subject: Subtle oppression> CC: ablatner at verizon.net> > Adam, Ann> > Hmmmm.... Interesting. > > I tend to look at oppression and privilege as together...as connected dynamics.... you can't have oppression without some other body getting privilege... even if they don't want that privilege... Like, I get privilege by dent of being white and middle class even though I spend a lot of energy fighting to redistribute resources in a more egalitarian manner.... So this brings up an interesting group effect.... seeing the collective oppressing the individual.... oppressing individuality.... especially 1 and 3... sort of like the Borg on Star Trek New Generation.... (they were a culture where conformity was mandatory.. all cogs in the social machine... happy cogs once they lost their individuality.... the words I remember most... "Resistance [to becoming one of the cogs] is futile... very much like Moreno's ideas of Robotrons.... But who benefits? The stability of the group... the "borg ness"?> 1. I can't understand what the other person is saying because s/he is speaking too fast, too softly, with too much of an accent or dialect, using too big or unfamiliar terms or vocabulary, and so forth. In trying to bring up the problem of understand-ability, I've at times been met with blame.> 2. Someone takes offense to what I say, which then makes it difficult in that escalated emotional context to seek clarification and make amends. Explanations are often perceived as trying to avoid responsibility when in fact they are seeking to find a way to work out the miscommunication.> 3. Feeling one has a minority opinion when the group is perceived to have a certain bias. (Example: In one group many years ago a protagonist was complaining about a vague memory of possible sexual abuse---this was when this complaint was seen as always to be believed. I asked, "Well, there seems to be some question whether this event actually happened." Caught a lot of flack.)> > I like Ann's application of the cannon of creativity and impact of sociometry on challenging that "borgness" ... it seems to me that this is the heart of social movements.... those lone deviants who first step forward and say, consciously or not, I won't take these social rules and defying them... perhaps paying the price of being shut down or rejected..., perhaps getting social applause..., > > So the trick becomes creating groups or moving towards situations in groups on one hand and on another, finding ways to communicate in a way that others can "hear."> > peace,> > regina sewell, Ph.D.> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> The i?m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? Find out now.> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 6:47 AM> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Grouptalk mailing list> List at grouptalkweb.org> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://grouptalkweb.org/pipermail/list_grouptalkweb.org/attachments/20080711/363f4027/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:36:27 -0700 (PDT)> From: BARNETT WEISS <budweiss at verizon.net>> Subject: Re: Experiences and autism> To: karenc at wi.rr.com, ASGPP grouptalknew <list at grouptalkweb.org>> Message-ID: <83429.69939.qm at web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Dear Karen:> I saw this article as I monitor a good deal that comes out about autism as I have for over 50 years now. To tell you the truth, when I saw it, I was very concerned. > > I am looking further into where the funding sources are coming from for this research as it seems to me to be another attempt to derail the train getting at the fact that most autism and in my estimation most serious mental illness has as a major contributing factor the pollution of our children and population with so many chemicals let alone the horrible onslaught of vaccinations at a rate unthinkable years ago. > > Please, I request that anyone working with serious "mental illness" look at www.autism.com and see the videos of the recovered and recovering children who have gone through the DAN ( Defeat Autism Now ) protocols. If this horrible syndrome can be alleviated in this manner, it must follow that so many other serious "Mental" conditions have a significant component of toxicity and basic malnutrition or malabsorption, let alone Hormonal disturbance which is so rarely investigated properly.> > Of course there is a behavioral component due to the responses to the toxicity of the individual and those dealing with the individual. > > Finally, proper breathing is central to our children's and adults ability to function and grow. For too long, the dualities of Oxygen is good, CO2 is bad, Deep breathing is good, breathing less is bad have permeated our Western thought. SCIENTIFICALLY THESE IDEAS FLY IN THE FACE OF ONE SIMPLE PHYSIOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIP CALLED THE BOHR EFFECT. ( that's Christian Bohr the father of Niels Bohr) Learning to breath properly can protect us all a great deal from the worst aspects of the onslaught of so many toxic elements in our environment. > Konstantin Buteyko, M.D. rediscovered this and refined methods of delivering corrective measures for improper breathing to those of us who have come to know about it. In my practice and that of my colleagues in the Buteyko work see www.buteykoworks.com or www.buteyko.info and for videos and much more, www.sleepingallnight.com and http://members.westnet.com.au/pkolb/buteyko.htm we have seen over and over the significant improvement of functionality of those who we have been able to teach proper breathing. ADD, ADHD, PANIC ATTACKS, AND YES EVEN PSYCHOSIS are significantly shifted with the learning of proper breathing and the decrease of hyperventilation which is most often of the silent kind. > I am conducting the first phase of training for practitioners in the New York Area Beginning July 21 through August 1st and expect there will be a great deal of publicity coming out about it after the training. My web site which is under construction is www.ButeykoUSA.com > > There is always going to be a need for spontaneity training ( the heading under which I feel all of Moreno's work can be addressed) and the use of all the tools that Moreno and others have developed? But please let us look in all areas and not just in our singular psychotherapeutic or behavioral approach. > > The relationship between the healer, mentor, parent and child, student, or other is always going to be paramount regardless of physical solutions. There is no question about it. Still, the physical solutions can allow for the richness of these relationships to flourish. > And finally, there is the entire spiritual realm which so few are exploring among our ranks. > Nuff and probably too much said already. Bud Weiss> > > Karen Carnabucci <KarenC at wi.rr.com> wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Here?s a news story that should be of interest to all psychodramatists!> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/10/AR2008071002750.html?hpid=sec-health> > Mental Activity May Affect Autism-Linked Genes> Study Suggests That Altering Ill Children's Experiences Could Change the Disease> > Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP > (262) 633-2645 > karenc at wi.rr.com > > Lake House Health & Learning Center > 932 Lake Ave. > Racine, WI 53403 > www.lakehousecenter.com > > > > > > > Grouptalk mailing list> List at grouptalkweb.org> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org> > > > "The perfect man breathes as if he is not breathing" - Lao-Tzu (circa 4th century BC) > Breathing is the foundation of life, and good breathing is the foundation of good health > Improve your health by improving your breathing with the Buteyko Method. 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