Thanks: Patricia, tells more about Janet and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger
anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
Mon Jul 28 17:00:07 CDT 2008
Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
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Le 21 juil. 08 à 04:10, PATRICIA DESERT a écrit :
Hi Anne--I have only done some reading of Janet because his writing,
like his contemporaries, is dense and convoluted in many areas, not
readily available, and the book was on loan to me for only a short
while some years ago. I don't even remember the title. I was
fascinated enough to read secondary sources that more easily helped
me understand what he did. And his findings on dissociation and
"hysteria" (now identified in the DSM-IV as DID, PTSD, personality
disorders, etc.) and his treatments using hypnosis are remarkable
and support a lot of what I have learned and do in psychodrama and in
my practice as a mind/body/spirit clinician that sees the affective
system as a critical structure to address in working with clients.
Janet did not address the affective system directly but his work
recognized sensations as a very real part of consciousness that get
derailed by the dissociated process. And the affective system is
what I routinely address in psychodrama work. His concept of
"psychological force" is also a mainstay in my work and it directly
speaks to spontaneity and creativity as Moreno conceptualized in his
Canon of Creativity and throughout his writings.
For example, Janet talked about the "reality connect"--using the
senses and the mind to be in the moment, free from anxious thoughts,
images, sensations, etc. and able to exercise sound judgment and make
accurate meaning out of our experience. As Moreno taught us,
experience enough anxiety and we will experience a disconnect from
our creativity. I see this in some ways as Janet's "reality
disconnect"--a loss of unity with body and mind.
Also, Janet's concept of psychological force and psychological
tension he describes as the quantity of basic psychic energy
available to us and our capacity to use it. This is so basic
Morenian to me--as it precurses Moreno's ideas on spontaneity and
creativity. And I see this energy sabotaged over and over in clients
who become overwhelmed with emotion.
And because I view emotion always as a feeling--after all we cannot
feel a thought right?--I immediately move into interventions that
help clients reconnect in safe, calming ways with their body. One of
the primary interventions I use to help clients become "reality
connected" or in Morenian language, reconnected with their
spontaneity, is the double and very specifically the TSM body double.
Another intervention is the mirroring structure whereby the
protagonist sits off stage and
1) puts into words the experience to be enacted,
2) while doing so chooses auxiliaries and describes their role,
what to say, etc., and
3) watches the enactment.
This is excellent for a dissociative client as I can titrate the
action in order to help the client remain present.
Once h/she can watch without dissociating h/she is ready to move
into the scene.
This intervention reflects a core capacity related to Janet's
"reality connect"
--the ability to experience a coherent narrative including effects of
the experience
while staying in the moment.
Of course, psychodrama is a method that requires action that engages
all parts of self--mind, body, and spirit. Janet, again in what I
think was revolutionary for his time and unfortunately derailed by
Freud's psychoanalytic perspective, made no distinction between the
intellect, feelings, and what we actually do. He saw thought,
feelings, and behavior intimately interconnected with consciousness,
activity, and ideas --all that support a natural push to manifest and
expand or contract depending on who we are and what we have experienced.
So movement is a key intervention I use. Anxiety in sufficient force
paralyze so I get the body moving in safe and supportive ways to
break the paralysis. When we move physical sensations are stimulated
and provide opportunities for clients to learn how to safely and
knowledgeably experience their bodies. Sometimes that happens through
a soft, fluffy pillow toss , other times through appropriate
laughter, and many times it is to use auxiliaries to personify a
client's inner reality in positive ways. Strengths building with
auxiliaries and then role reversing is a wonderful intervention.
As I said Janet did not specifically study the affective system, but
his concept of dissociation certainly included an understanding that
sensation was a key component in feeling safe and thinking and acting
competently and effectively. I believe this is why his treatment
sessions often included painting or listening to music or sculpting.
I have used all these types of activities in my psychodrama workshops
and psychodrama a deux. They consistently reduce anxiety and
stimulate spontaneity and creativity.
His interventions through hypnosis also give us profoundly effective
ideas for helping clients heal. And while I don't use hypnosis I
have applied his idea of using an altered state of consciousness in
other ways to help clients access their innate spontaneity and
creativity. They include creative visualization, mindful meditation
structures, affirmation tapes, stream of consciousness writing, etc.
In some key respects I see Janet's work as a precursor to Moreno's
ideas. I just wonder if Moreno read his work and was inspired by
it. They seem so sympatico in some ways.
Top of the evening to you Anne.
Thanks for asking. Patti
Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
Singular Pathways
208 East Melrose Avenue
Baltimore, MD 21212
Phone: 410.435.3755
Fax: 410.435.0547
www.singular-pathways.com
"from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
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From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
To: list at grouptalkweb.org
CC: Schutzenberger Anne <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,LABAS Damien
<damienlabas at yahoo.fr>, Patti <HoneyBWomn at aol.com>,Leveton Eva
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Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
psychodrama (Anne)List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:17:30 +0200
Re: Patricia, do tell more about Piere Janet - a French
psychiatrist. (1859-1947) and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)-
List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
Dear Patti
Please,explain more what you take from Pierre Janet and his
"perspective and
theories on feelings." in your work -
What is it really - nobody explain it on grouptalk, not in real details-
And I am very interrested, aspecially because I am working on a new book
and new research about what makes psychodrama such an unique
wonderfull but complex tool, -
-and what various influences we psychodramatists are under;
Freud, Janet, Foulkes, Bateson, etc..- or nonverbal communication
research -
or theater theories ...
warmly
best of best
anne
anne ancelin schutzenberger
Unjiversity Professor, PhD,TEP,group-anayse
transgenerational analyst
co-Founder abd actual honorzry archivist IAGP
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http://www.psychogenealogie.name
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Le 19 juil. 08 à 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a écrit :
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Subtle oppression anecdote (T. Treadwell)
2. RE: Psychodrama Business (PATRICIA DESERT)
3. RE: Pierre Janet (PATRICIA DESERT)
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From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pierre Janet
To: adam at blatner.com, eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, list at grouptalkweb.org
I have read some of Janet's work and resonated with his perspective
antheories on feelings. I am interested in hearing from others who
may have read him and what they took away from it. Patti
Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
Singular Pathways
208 East Melrose Avenue
Baltimore, MD 21212
Phone: 410.435.3755
Fax: 410.435.0547
www.singular-pathways.com
"from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
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From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
Reply-To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
To: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>,<list at grouptalkweb.org>
Subject: Pierre Janet
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:35 -0500
Dear Neil, thanks for bringing up the name of Pierre Janet. Googling him
brings up 184,000 hits! He's an important and under-estimated
thinker who
has insights that challenged some of Freud's---perhaps explaining
why his
work was not fully appreciated during the hegemony of psychoanalysis---a
hegemony that tended to also devalue the many insights of others,
such as
Adler or Jung (who were characterized by the mainstream as merely
disaffected former disciples with a father complex rather than mature
colleagues with independent and often valid insights), Assagioli
(psychosynthesis), Reich, Adolf Meyer, Janet, and so forth.
So far I haven't heard of anyone who has investigated common
themes. I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting that Moreno knew
much ifanything about Janet's work. How is it you have become
interested? Perhaps you might help us enrich our work by noting
some arenas where Janet's
insights might be helpful in our own theory development and practice.
(And of course I too would be interested if Anne knows of any
overlap in the French psychological literature.)
Warmly, Adam
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-- Original Message -- From: Neil Hucker
To: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger ; list at grouptalkweb.org
Cc: Schutzenberger Anne ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:39 AM
Subject::reaction to Anath & Anna Schaum -subtle opression /
ListDigest, Vol 25, Issue 18
Dear Anne, this is Neil Hucker in Melbourne Australia. I am a
psychiatrist psychodramatist and I briefly met you in Melbourne when you
were at the PIM conference.
I would like to know whether you have any knowledge about Piere
Janet a
French psychiatrist. (1859-1947) In particulat whether there has
been any
integration of Janet's theory and psychodrama in France.
regards
Neil
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