Mary K Hudgins drkatetsi at me.com
Sun Jan 4 15:20:50 UTC 2015

My main concern about the certification is that it takes forever and I don’t really find that so many hours actually approves people’s directing skills.  I think we loose a lot of people along the way.  

My own TSI International Certification in Trauma Therapy follows the structure of the American Board of training hours, directing practicums and supervision but requires only 400 hours and I find that my students all learn the basic psychodrama skills plus the specialized attention needed for vulnerable protagonists through our clinically oriented courses during that time.  Following the original Moreno model of certification I also give 3 levels of certification so there is reward along the way for Trained Auxiliary Ego, Assistant Leader and Director/Team Leader, followed by the chance to become a Trainer in the Therapeutic Spiral Model.  For an exam they have to do on sites at each level and be passed by more than one trainer for the last 2 certifications.  It becomes obvious if they know the theory during our processing sessions and supervision.  

I have also served as a full Primary Trainer for many people over the 25 years I have been a TEP and most of my students not only pass but pass with distinction.  Right now I am providing Skype supervision for 3 students from Taiwan that are planning to take the exam this year and they are very dedicated to the process even with all the extra costs and efforts they have to make working in a different country.  

Having been a board examiner for 9 years a decade or more ago, I never found reading the exams a chore and instead found it interesting and also a chance to be with other board members in a fun yet purposeful manner.  I do an exam prep course that uses all the old exams where I have students take a mock exam and then grade it as though I was still on the board and help them correct whatever is missing and find this a simple task as well for both myself as trainer and for students, particularly those with test anxiety.

Those are my thoughts.


Kate Hudgins, Ph.D., TEP
Therapeutic Spiral International

On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:48 AM, Dave Moran via Research <research at asgpplistserv.org> wrote:

> My opinion is that there should be a 2 or 3 year certificate for sociodrama or sociometry 
> Thanks
> Dave
> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at icloud.com> wrote:
>> At least the dust is being washed off, the discussion enter's the public arena again!
>> Some years ago someone, I believe Mario, was taking this on - not sure what came of it.
>> I suggested at the time and again here, that we take a close look at the way certifications are done
>> in other countries.  I know that in some of the European psychodrama centers, that sociodrama
>> directing is its own certification.  Looking at how those others have advanced and developed the
>> certification conserve is a good place to consider.
>> Happy New Year.
>> Ed
>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:29 PM, National Psychodrama Training Center wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:35 AM, John Nolte <jhn.nolte at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Remer, Rory <rremer at email.uky.edu>
>>> Date: Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:27 AM
>>> To: "nolte.jm at gmail.com" <nolte.jm at gmail.com>, Grouptalk <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>>  I think John has many good points about reviewing and addressing the examination process.  Discussion is warranted.  I do disagree with a number of the suggestions--primarily with an oral exam.  So discussion would be a good idea. (My experience with oral is that, although they get more depth, then tend to have a problem with breadth, and sharing/distributing time among participants.  Certainly both written and oral exams have their strengths and weaknesses.) Perhaps this item could be put on the agenda for the Board session (or annual meeting) in April, AS A STARTING point.  I wouldn't expect much closure.
>>> From: National Psychodrama Training Center [natpdtngcent at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:29 PM
>>> To: Remer, Rory
>>> This is the main title of the message
>>> To: Members of The Board of Examiners in Psychodrama, Sociometry and Group Psychotherapy
>>> Trainer, Educator, Practitioners
>>> Certified Practitioners
>>> From: John Nolte, T.E.P.
>>> Subject: A Suggestion to Revise the Certification Process
>>> The Board of Examiners in Psychodrama, Sociometry and Group Psychotherapy was established almost 40 years ago, and the certification process, beyond grandfathering, was begun shortly after. Although elaborated upon, it has remained pretty much the same since. My experience as both a member of the Board and as a trainer is that the certification process is cumbersome and onerous for all involved: trainers, trainees, Board members, and those who read the written test answers. I would like to suggest that the time has come to consider a revision of the certification process. Since the establishment of the Board a wealth of experience with certification is available that could serve that purpose. I  would like to propose that the Board invite all those who have taken part in one way or another in the certification process to offer suggestions on how it could be improved.
>>> Because I think that people who suggest what others should do should undertake the task themselves, I am attaching my ideas for revising certification. I am sure other trainers and certified practitioners can generate many more ideas, and some must be better than that which I am proposing. Wouldn't it be interesting to find out?
>>> My Proposal for a Revised Certification Procedure
>>> Application Forms: There are only three pieces of information that a trainer, primary or secondary can provide that are relevant to the certification process. They are:
>>> 1. The relationship to the trainee, how long trainer has known trainee, and the extent of training with him or her;
>>> 2. Confirmation of trainee's calendar of training with this and other trainers;
>>> 3. Endorsement of the trainee, indicating that the trainer is willing to stake his or her reputation as a trainer on the trainee's competence as a psychodrama director and his or her ethical behavior.
>>> Examination
>>> Rather than a written examination, I propose that the candidate for certification meet with a committee of three members of the Board of Examiners (or previous Board Examiners deputized for this purpose) for an oral examination. I think that such a meeting for an hour or an hour and a half can more effectively measure a candidate's grasp of knowledge of the areas now covered by the written examination. After the examination, the Examiners can decide whether the candidate has succeeded or not and inform him or her directly. The oral examination would reduce the many hours involved in preparing the examinations for grading as well as the hours spent in reading examinations by the graders. Most importantly, the candidate could receive an almost immediate result instead of waiting for months as things now stand.
>>> Oral examinations could be scheduled to take place during the Annual Conference of the ASGPP. The four days offer many opportunities for examining committees to meet with prospective candidates. By deputizing others as examiners and by using small committees, the task should not be too burdensome for individual Board members. If necessary, another opportunity for undergoing the oral examination could be arranged, probably in a different area of the country at a different time of year.
>>> III. Demonstration of Directing Skill (On-Site)
>>> In lieu of the current practice of on-site observations, I would like to suggest that the Board organize and offer several workshops of six to nine sessions. Each session would be directed by a candidate for certification. One, preferably two Board members (or other deputized observers) would conduct a thorough processing session following each drama. Participants in the workshops (seven to twelve) could be recruited by the Board from people in training for certification who could attend at a small or no fee, and in return would accrue training hours. In addition, they would have the advantage of participating in the certification process in advance of undergoing the it themselves. Another possibility is to conduct several of these sessions during the Annual Conference of the ASGPP. In that case, I would recommend different groups and observers for each such session.
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