Walter Logeman walter at
Sat Apr 15 15:53:17 PDT 2017

Hi Ramu

They are good questions.

In psychodrama, in a group or 1:1 Thi is familiar to me:

A: You are so stupid

Reverse roles

A in another chair: No, that is not true, not helpful

This can lead to investigation and catharsis of integration that pretty
much cover all The Work questions including practice at new ways of being.


I've noted them down - they are worth while.


Bud here mentioned Brief Solution Focused therapy a while back. They also
contribute to the art of questioning.

One of the main places questioning comes up in a drama is in the interview
for role.  A lot is in the attitude of the questioner, not only the words.

Max Clayton talks here (in the second half) about interview for role.

Thanks for your reflections Ramu.

Warm wishes, Walter

Psychodramatist, Christchurch New Zealand

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 at 9:56 AM, Ramu Iyer <equilibrium.roi at> wrote:

> Hi Adam,
> When I wrote: "For me armchair talk therapy (solo) has its limitations," I
> was referring to myself (not Byron Katie).
> I agree with your insights that reflective self-exploration of the "The
> Work" questions may require meta-level reasoning (not easy for the average
> dude like me).
> I am an student (size of an infant) of psychodrama. My interest in
> psychodrama stems from the belief that "I can act my way into a new way of
> thinking" (experiential learning is superior to "thinking your way into a
> new way of acting").
> equilibrium.roi at
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Adam Blatner <adam at> wrote:
>> Dear Ramu Iyer, please let me know if you get this.
>>    You write that "The Work" by Byron Katie  uses the
>> following reflective questions for self-exploration during the "who am I?"
>> journey.
>> 1. Is it true?
>> 2. Can I absolutely know that it's true?
>> 3. How do I react when you believe that thought?
>> 4. Who would you be without the thought?
>> 5. Turn the thought around
>>    Ramu?
>>       While I have been journaling  without discipline, I've had had
>> challenges in really "turning the thought around" beyond (proverbially)
>> expressing the aspiration on a printed / handwritten page. In other words,
>> the "turnaround" (of a particular thought) didn't get installed, if you
>> will,
>> in the operating system of my overworked brain (using head more than
>> heart).  For me, armchair talk therapy (solo) perhaps has its limitations.
>> (AB: so is this you, Ramu? Or Ms Katie?
>> I wondered how Moreno would reframe "the work" (questions above) in
>> psychodrama whereby the desired turnaround does happen experientially.
>> Sharing this perspective might be useful for "The Work" practitioners
>> and expanding the curiosity and reach of psychodrama.  I maintain an
>> interest in psychodrama. (I'm guessing this is you, Ramu)
>> I don't know what to say, because the questions imply that answers are
>> indeed possible. My world-view is that what's true at one level is
>> surpassed easily at a higher level, but it requires concepts that don't
>> operate at that level.
>>      Truth is especially vulnerable this way. For me: Nothing about me or
>> my beliefs are ultimately true at higher levels of contemplation!
>> 1. Is it true?   2. Can I absolutely know that it's true?   AB you see,
>> there's the rub, because all "truths" are surpassed as you go "higher" in
>> thinking about thinking about thinking.
>>      Language, words, definitions, and much else become relativized.
>> 3. How do I react when you believe that thought?  AB: this is difficult
>> since I've had thoughts that this whole stream of thinking---trying to find
>> ultimate answers within a single dimension, thinking about thinking---and
>> it won't be found there.
>> 4. Who would you be without the thought?   I'd be...
>> 5. Turn the thought around. Yes, indeed, the thought can be turned...
>> Moreno sensed the sheer creativity-potential of thought, I imagine, but
>> he couldn't bring himself to challenge basic paradigms---if he could
>> imagine that word.
>> I've moved from Texas to the mid-California coastal town of San Luis
>> Obispo. (This is also for the other readers of Grouptalk.)
>> What is your interest in Moreno and his philosophy? Where are you
>> geographically?
>> It's good that Ms Katie is inviting us to examine our thinking, but this
>> is at the limits. We are hypnotized by the omnipresence of the 3-D world,
>> and it's all we can do to remain aware that phenomena are temporary (4-D).
>> That they're mind-constructions (5-D) is bad enough, but that there other
>> perspectives about mind (6-D) is mind-boggling. That these in turn are
>> conditioned by perspectives that go beyond the capacity of ordinary mind,
>> a but mystical mind can be barely comprehend what's going on in terms of
>> ordinary language.
>> What do you think of what I'm saying? I'm still trying to figure this out
>> myself and am using the metaphors of dimensionality to do it.
>>    Warmly, Adam
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