Members Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22 Elders

Buds bud.weiss at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 15:21:21 UTC 2017


The revolution is happening with far too few of us involved. Join with those who are working in the places and with people left unseen: 

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Voyage well, Bud 

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> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:15 AM, Walter Logeman <walter at psybernet.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> Dear Adam,
> 
> You are indeed an elder.  Even at 73 I recall when I was a youthful 36
> Max Clayton telling me I should get hold of Alan Blatner's "Acting In"
> and read it.  I did, to great advantage.
> 
> Oddly, after my recent email advocating for psychodrama as a
> therapeutic and clinical modality I like what you say here:
> 
> "My own direction is away a bit from psychodrama as therapy for the
> sick, and more as a method, mixed with other Morenian efforts, to meet
> the future... I want to help redeem Moreno's contributions beyond any
> "treatment" for people in the "sick role".
> 
> 'Treatment' and 'sick' are rightly in quotes.  This is not how we
> think when using psychodrama, that is exactly why I like it!
> 
> Even working with someone one-to-one psychodramatically we can see
> them as the protagonist making an intervention into a whole system.
> Psychodrama is fully systemic, as everything people bring is in the
> drama. Drama includes emotion, cognition, narrative and archetypes -
> we can absorb and extend modalities that specialise in these things.
> 
> This is another reason it may be hard to get on the insurance
> "evidence-based" list.  We don't readily subscribe to their
> "diagnostic" manual, and 'treatment' has a different slant to it.
> 
> All this might be easy for me to say as my practice is mostly with
> people who function quite well. Still, some of them would get dreadful
> labels if they'd gone elsewhere.
> I think many of us work  in a clinical setting with the 'future
> vision' you value in Moreno.
> 
> Like you Adam, "I want to understand his vision better."  Especially
> how we can have a bigger impact on the social forces in our crisis
> ridden world.
> 
> Warm wishes
> 
> Walter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 July 2017 at 11:26, Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com> wrote:
>> I guess I could qualify as an elder. I'll be in Dallas. My own direction is
>> away a bit from psychodrama as therapy for the sick, and more as a method,
>> mixed with other Morenian efforts, to meet the future.
>>   There's his "spirituality"--- such as it is---which transcends either
>> traditional religion or modern science, and is rooted less in the
>> way-beyond-transcend-ent realm and more in how people can transcend their
>> own boundaries
>>    And the way many of Moreno's inventions serve ths goal.
>> 
>> I'm finished with "therapy," though it is a respected root form; but
>> more,now,I want to help redeem Moreno's contributions beyond any "treatment"
>> for people in the "sick  role"  Sociodrama, bibliodrama, applied
>> sociometry--- these are ideas that intrigue me now. Especially Moreno's
>> philosophy   I don't need to agree with every detail, but I want to
>> understand his vision better.
>> 
>> Warmly, Adam Blatner
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Tzivia via Members
>> <members at asgpplistserv.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd like to see elders..not as a stagnant lot..but as a lineage tree.
>>> There are more than one level of elders.  Like in constallations work..we
>>> take our place from eldest to the youngest.  So..TEPS created a school and
>>> lineage based on their own or classic psychodrama tastes.   They then become
>>> the elder of their lineage.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Tian Dayton via Members <members at asgpplistserv.org>
>>> Date:07/10/2017 1:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: Robert Siroka <rsiroka at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: List Serve ASGPP <members at asgpplistserv.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Members Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22 Elders
>>> 
>>> Go Bob….feels like  the old days! And I agree whole heartedly…..
>>> very tender questions to ask..
>>> 
>>> Tian
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Robert Siroka via Members
>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Folks,I had a conversation with two people that would likely fit
>>>> the criteria suggested so far. Person One  " yes I still use some of
>>>> Moreno's ideas in my work,primarily individual  therapy" "  It was very
>>>> important to me personally" I don't travel much any more for physical and
>>>> financial reasons,I read the journal  but the meetings are too hard to get
>>>> for me"  Person Two  " I use Psychodrama to this day but I don't go to
>>>> meetings because I don't know many people there any more and I feel quite
>>>> alone at meetings ,I miss people who have died and no one is particularly
>>>> interested in me or what I have to say"      There needs to be an in-- depth
>>>> understanding of aging and professional affiliation.  I do not believe that
>>>> the status of Elder should be considered an award like the JLMoreno award.
>>>> A question.  What has ASGPP done for Elders?  Did we do too much ? not
>>>> enough?" it never crossed my mind."    There seems to be energy here maybe
>>>> we have reason to hope.  How about a role reversal and some doubling with
>>>> possible Elders.    Best Bob Siroka
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>>  1. Re: [NCGPS-Forum Listserv] Announcing two new books (Ilene Wolff)
>>>>  2. Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS TALK"SESSION,    AT
>>>>      THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS TO
>>>>      TALK TOGETHER? (drb)
>>>>  3. Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS TALK"SESSION,    AT
>>>>      THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS TO
>>>>      TALK TOGETHER? (Souldrama)
>>>> 
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:58:39 -0700
>>>> From: Ilene Wolff <i.wolf at comcast.net <mailto:i.wolf at comcast.net>>
>>>> To: Haim Weinberg <haimw at group-psychotherapy.com
>>>> <mailto:haimw at group-psychotherapy.com>>
>>>> Cc: asgpp listserve <members at asgpplistserv.org
>>>> <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCGPS-Forum Listserv] Announcing two new books
>>>> Message-ID: <899C55E9-B042-459F-921F-61B409B49B03 at comcast.net
>>>> <mailto:899C55E9-B042-459F-921F-61B409B49B03 at comcast.net>>
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>>>> Dear Fellow Psychodramatists,
>>>> Just want to give a shout out to Moreno and Haim Weinberg, a very
>>>> talented elder who teaches group therapy in Northern Ca.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Ilene
>>>> 
>>>> How to turn your life into a success story
>>>> _________________________________
>>>> Ilene Wolf, MFT, RDT
>>>> 415.263.6744
>>>> ilene at dramatherapyinstitute.com <mailto:ilene at dramatherapyinstitute.com>
>>>> http://ilenewolf.com <http://ilenewolf.com/>
>>>> http://womenstherapynetwork.net <http://womenstherapynetwork.net/>
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Haim Weinberg haimw at group-psychotherapy.com
>>>> <mailto:haimw at group-psychotherapy.com> [NCGPS-Forum]
>>>> <NCGPS-Forum-noreply at yahoogroups.com
>>>> <mailto:NCGPS-Forum-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ilene,
>>>> Thanks for the compliments.
>>>> In the first volume of the series (Hopper, E. & Weinberg, H. (eds.)
>>>> (2011). The Social Unconscious in Persons, Groups and Societies: Volume 1:
>>>> Mainly Theory. London: Karnac), we have 3 chapters comparing Moreno's (the
>>>> father of psychodrama) co-unconscious, Foulkes' (the father of group
>>>> analysis) social unconscious, and Pichon-Rivier's (the father of Latin
>>>> American group psychotherapy) ideas. We also  summarize the similarities and
>>>> differences in our introduction.
>>>> By the way, as far as I know the people who are considered the founders
>>>> of group psychotherapy are either Pratt (1906) or Burrow (1920) who was
>>>> actually the first to use the term group analysis.
>>>> Haim
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 20:59 ilene wolff <ilene at ilenewolf.com
>>>> <mailto:ilene at ilenewolf.com>> wrote:
>>>> Outstanding Haim!
>>>> So it is Moreno who founded group therapy and psychodrama that you honor
>>>> and write about  here in Vol #3 of the social unconscious?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Ilene
>>>> How to turn your life into a success story
>>>> _________________________________
>>>> Ilene Wolf, MFT, RDT
>>>> 415.263.6744
>>>> ilene at dramatherapyinstitute.com <mailto:ilene at dramatherapyinstitute.com>
>>>> http://www.ilenewolf.com <http://www.ilenewolf.com/>
>>>> http://www.womenstherapynetwork.net
>>>> <http://www.womenstherapynetwork.net/>
>>>> http://www.dramatherapyinstitute.com
>>>> <http://www.dramatherapyinstitute.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Peter Cole peterhayscole at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:peterhayscole at gmail.com> [NCGPS-Forum]
>>>> <NCGPS-Forum-noreply at yahoogroups.com
>>>> <mailto:NCGPS-Forum-noreply at yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Haim -- you are making such important contributions to the field of
>>>> group therapy! Congratulations!
>>>> 
>>>> Peter C
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>> From: Haim Weinberg haimw at group-psychotherapy.com
>>>> <mailto:haimw at group-psychotherapy.com> [NCGPS-Forum]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 4:40 PM
>>>> To: ncgps-forum
>>>> Reply To: haimw at group-psychotherapy.com
>>>> <mailto:haimw at group-psychotherapy.com>
>>>> Subject: [NCGPS-Forum Listserv] Announcing two new books [1 Attachment]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear NCGPS Community,
>>>> 
>>>> I am pleased to announce the launching of two new books about the Social
>>>> Unconscious that I co-author/co-edit.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. The first book connects fairy tales and the social unconscious.
>>>> Examining different versions of fairy tales told by different ethnic
>>>> communities, teaches us about the relations between universal and
>>>> local/cultural aspects of the social unconscious. Exploring the unique
>>>> status of fairy tales as located on the border line between concrete/somatic
>>>> and abstract/linguistic realms sheds light on different levels of the human
>>>> mind. The authors, Ravit Raufman and I, connect these abstract ideas to
>>>> psychotherapy by bringing examples from group therapy.
>>>> Here is a link to the book page on Karnac, the publishing house:
>>>> 
>>>> http://us.karnacbooks.com/product/fairy-tales-and-the-social-unconscious-the-hidden-language/36830/
>>>> <http://us.karnacbooks.com/product/fairy-tales-and-the-social-unconscious-the-hidden-language/36830/>
>>>> Some of the group chapters are extended versions of articles that we
>>>> have published in international journals. One of them, about the "skin ego"
>>>> (Anzieu's concept), won the Alonso award for excellence in psychodynamic
>>>> group psychotherapy (together with John Schlapobersky for his book: From the
>>>> couch to the circle). The award was granted at the latest AGPA conference in
>>>> NY. The announcement in "the group circle" and a picture is attached.
>>>> Raufman, R., & Weinberg, H. (2016). ?To enter one?s skin?: the concrete
>>>> and symbolic functions of the skin in the social unconscious, as expressed
>>>> in fairy tales and group therapy. International Journal of Group
>>>> Psychotherapy, 66(2): 205?224.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. The other book is "The Social Unconscious in Persons, Groups, and
>>>> Societies: Volume 3: The Foundation Matrix Extended and Re-configured"
>>>> co-edited by Earl Hopper and myself. This is the 3rd volume in a series of
>>>> books we co-edit about the social unconscious, where we use a group analytic
>>>> and relational perspective to understand this concept and bring examples
>>>> from different parts of the world. In this 3rd volume we focus on non verbal
>>>> aspects of the social unconscious and bring empirical findings from
>>>> societies in the Middle East. Two chapters describe the Social Unconscious
>>>> of the Palestinians, and two chapters relate to Israel. Another chapter is
>>>> about the Egyptian SU and one on ISIS.
>>>> Here is a link to the page on Karnac:
>>>> 
>>>> http://us.karnacbooks.com/product/the-social-unconscious-in-persons-groups-and-societies-volume-3-the-foundation-matrix-extended-and-re-configured/37511/
>>>> <http://us.karnacbooks.com/product/the-social-unconscious-in-persons-groups-and-societies-volume-3-the-foundation-matrix-extended-and-re-configured/37511/>
>>>> 
>>>> Both books will be launched next month in the international group
>>>> analytic society conference taking place in Berlin August 15-19. See
>>>> http://berlin-gasi-symposium2017.com <http://berlin-gasi-symposium2017.com/>
>>>> Yours truly,
>>>> Haim Weinberg, PhD, PSY#23243. Private Practice in Sacramento.
>>>> 
>>>> 2017 Alonso award in group psychotherapy for the co-authored article "to
>>>> Enter One's Skin"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> THE PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL OF
>>>> PSYCHOLOGY
>>>> Academic Vice-President
>>>> 
>>>> Haim Weinberg, PhD, PSY#23243
>>>> www.group-psychotherapy.com
>>>> doctorate in group psychotherapy: www.grouptherapydoctorate.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:59:38 -0400
>>>> From: drb <dalerichardbuchanan at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:dalerichardbuchanan at yahoo.com>>
>>>> To: Jacqueline Siroka <jacsiroka at yahoo.com <mailto:jacsiroka at yahoo.com>>
>>>> Cc: Tian Dayton <tian at tiandayton.com <mailto:tian at tiandayton.com>>,
>>>> Linda Condon
>>>>    <lincondon at yahoo.com <mailto:lincondon at yahoo.com>>,    Rosalie
>>>> Minkin <rorobear at aol.com <mailto:rorobear at aol.com>>,    Lorelei
>>>>    Goldman <loreleigoldman at sbcglobal.net
>>>> <mailto:loreleigoldman at sbcglobal.net>>,    "hvpi at hvpi.net
>>>> <mailto:hvpi at hvpi.net>"
>>>>    <hvpi at hvpi.net <mailto:hvpi at hvpi.net>>, Jeanne Burger
>>>> <drjeanneburger at gmail.com <mailto:drjeanneburger at gmail.com>>,     List Serve
>>>>    ASGPP <Members at asgpplistserv.org
>>>> <mailto:Members at asgpplistserv.org>>,    "M.K. Hudgins" <drkatetsi at me.com
>>>> <mailto:drkatetsi at me.com>>,
>>>>    Barbara Guest <barbaraguest at cyg.net <mailto:barbaraguest at cyg.net>>,
>>>> thana ag <anathga at hotmail.com <mailto:anathga at hotmail.com>>,
>>>>    Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>>,    Jacqueline Fowler
>>>>    <lambswood at gmail.com <mailto:lambswood at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS TALK"SESSION,    AT
>>>>    THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS TO
>>>> TALK
>>>>    TOGETHER?
>>>> Message-ID: <43ABA04A-CBE8-45CE-95C9-AEAD49581CD0 at yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:43ABA04A-CBE8-45CE-95C9-AEAD49581CD0 at yahoo.com>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Yes clearly the criteria need to be flexible.  Again the ASGPP might
>>>> also want to know the criteria would be used for.  If the ASGPP chooses a
>>>> broader criteria - elders are folks who have been members twenty years or
>>>> more than be prepared for a panel of fifty presenters.  If an elder is only
>>>> j l moreno trained then the panel would probably be ten or fifteen.  Etc.
>>>> best, dale
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Jacqueline Siroka <jacsiroka at yahoo.com
>>>>> <mailto:jacsiroka at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not only grandfathered but were the first to be certified by the board
>>>>> and continued to support the organization. Perhaps we can have tiers to
>>>>> honor more elders.
>>>>> J
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Tian Dayton via Members
>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think this is a lovely discussion all around and good for all of
>>>>>> the generations in one way or another.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My concern with tying elders to either those who have trained with
>>>>>> Moreno or those grandfathered
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> is that it would effectively limit being an elder to one generation,
>>>>>> it would mean that our community
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> could never again mint an elder?.and my understanding of ?elder? is
>>>>>> that it is a designation that passes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> along throughout the generations?.and repeats itself over time...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> let?s find a way to give special appreciation to those elders who
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> trained with Moreno and/or were grandfathered, they certainly have
>>>>>> something special to impart?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But then I?d go with something along the lines of Ed?d suggestion of
>>>>>> 30 years in practice or something like that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Jacqueline Siroka <jacsiroka at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:jacsiroka at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let me enter the conversation. I have been engaged by the energy and
>>>>>>> thoughts of the people participating and spent some time thinking about
>>>>>>> criteria to use. An idea that came to me is all people who where
>>>>>>> grandfathered or passed the original certification process. Who continued to
>>>>>>> support the organization.
>>>>>>> Respectfully Jacquie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:02 AM, drb via Members
>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your viewpoint.  I respect and honor your comments.
>>>>>>>> I thought we were trying to define criteria for an elder.  I suggested a
>>>>>>>> criterion.  Please suggest something. I am pretty confident that you are not
>>>>>>>> suggesting all people seventy years or older even those those who just took
>>>>>>>> their first psychodrama workshop should be a psychodrama elder.  What's your
>>>>>>>> criteria for being a psychodrama elder.  Best, Dale
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:28 AM, <edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am not in agreement.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There are elders in their 70's who have not studied with JL.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is not an exclusionary club, it's to honor our senior
>>>>>>>>> teachers and practitioners.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Let's not restrict the criteria.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: "M.K. Hudgins"
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 10, 2017 10:16 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Dale Richard Buchanan
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tian Dayton PhD , thana ag , Linda Condon , Rosalie Minkin ,
>>>>>>>>> Lorelei Goldman , "hvpi at hvpi.net <mailto:hvpi at hvpi.net>" , Jeanne Burger ,
>>>>>>>>> Barbara Guest , "members at asgpplistserv.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" , Edward Schreiber , Jacqueline Fowler
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS TALK"SESSION,
>>>>>>>>> AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS TO TALK
>>>>>>>>> TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think it should be anyone who studied with JL directly.
>>>>>>>>> What amazing stories those would be!  Maybe make the dessert and awards
>>>>>>>>> banquet a time for stories as well?  And maybe we could have a one on one
>>>>>>>>> mentorship for anyone experienced at the conference to lead a few new
>>>>>>>>> students through the process?  Sociometrically chosen?  random?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Exciting to have a new venture after dealing with Zerka?s legacy
>>>>>>>>> committee for a year.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Kate
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:14 PM, drb <dalerichardbuchanan at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:dalerichardbuchanan at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Anath,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Shirley Barclay is certified, thus her contact information is in
>>>>>>>>>> your copy of the annual directory of certified psychodramatists, and is also
>>>>>>>>>> on the ABE's website.  I believe Moreno passed over in 1974.  One criteria
>>>>>>>>>> for an elder might be anyone who studied with J L Moreno.  A panel is a
>>>>>>>>>> great idea.  A simple solution is  just be to get a panel of elders and give
>>>>>>>>>> each person 3 minutes to tell a favorite story or anecdote about Moreno, and
>>>>>>>>>> then open it to questions.  Great idea!  Thanks for shepherding this
>>>>>>>>>> endeavor.
>>>>>>>>>> Dale Richard Buchanan
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Tian Dayton via Members
>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if a conversation among elders that was filmed could be
>>>>>>>>>>> a wonderful thing?.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Not endless, focused ?.Bob SIroka on Sociometry and role
>>>>>>>>>>> play?..for example, Rosalie on Sociodrama?.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dale and Jackie on St. E?s, Dena on whatever she likes?.a
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation in that generation on film so
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> that we don?t lose their special
>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge?.Anath?.Adam...whoever is old enough?these folks I mentioned don?t
>>>>>>>>>>> seem that old to me actually
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am just using the names mentioned?It could occur every so
>>>>>>>>>>> often?.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:35 PM, thana ag via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who has her contact info?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anath
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:52 PM, "edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>" <edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An unsung elder:  Shirley Barkley.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She is for some odd.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For others, she represents a native culture in deep action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around the world she is honored as "grandmother" which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted term for the honored elder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like the tallest tree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to include, and to honor, her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's my idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Adam.  And Natalie.  And Rosalie.  And Dale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: thana ag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 9, 2017 2:19 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: thana ag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "M.K. Hudgins" , Linda Condon , Rosalie Minkin , Lorelei
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goldman , "hvpi at hvpi.net <mailto:hvpi at hvpi.net>" , Jeanne Burger , Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guest , "members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward Schreiber , Jacqueline Fowler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TALK"SESSION, AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO TALK TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This request goes to you all : please send in ideas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more ideas - the better . It is easier to weed out , or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modify - when ideas are on the table.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One possibility : a round table of elders and a monitor with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Questions .
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Passed through every elder or those who want to answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And participants surrounding the inner circle . Or arranging a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> semi circle for visibility purpose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now of course the Q is : how much time to allot, where to find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time during the Annual meeting ..etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anath Garber , MA, TEP, PDdir
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elders' Initiative ,  chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:11 PM, thana ag via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent Question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suggest as a possibility?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please suggest any outrageous idea - we are cooking some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2017, at 2:52 PM, M.K. Hudgins <drkatetsi at me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:drkatetsi at me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, as I get to thinking I dont that I am YET in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elder category that needs to be celebrated with this idea..there is Dale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosalie, Elaine Sacknoff, Jackie Siroka, Ann Hale, Donna Little, Dena, Adam,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc?.those just a wee bit older than me and a generation ahead in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of them trained directly with JL.  I wonder if anyone has the photo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Phonix workshop with the inner circle of those recently passed on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small round table and then an inner circle of the real elders, my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation, another one out, etc.  It spoke to this sociometry.  So my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is how can I support the elders to connect with the new folks so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the oral history continues to be shared?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Jeanne Burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <drjeanneburger at gmail.com <mailto:drjeanneburger at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we still have archive committee? What happened to that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection and interest?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeanne Burger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 757 622 4986 (home)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drjeanneburger at gmail.com <mailto:Drjeanneburger at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Edward Schreiber via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Linda-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to put forward the idea of assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibilities for Adam's vast array of international contacts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conferences, etc., that he posted about some time ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea put forward was that the International Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might take this on.  So sending to Anath and others on the committee (I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it as well).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linda Condon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 7, 2017 8:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: thana ag , "Dr. Kate Hudgins" , Rosalie Minkin ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lorelei Goldman , Rebecca Walters , Jeanne Burger , Barbara Guest ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" , Jacqueline
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fowler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TALK"SESSION, AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO TALK TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it took so long to get back to you.  Anath Garber is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chair of the International Committee.  Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda Condon, LMHC, TEP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Licensed Mental Health Counselor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trainer, Educator & Practitioner of Psychodrama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President, American Society of Group Psychotherapy &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Psychodrama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2641 Harbor Circle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearwater, FL. 33759
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 727-543-9128
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Edward Schreiber via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Linda!  Great to know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the International committee?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Linda Condon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 4, 2017 3:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>" , thana ag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Dr. Kate Hudgins" , Rosalie Minkin , Lorelei Goldman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Jacqueline Fowler , Jeanne Burger , Barbara Guest ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" , Rebecca
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TALK"SESSION, AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO TALK TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have just formed a Conference Task Force committee at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the May EC meeting that is being led by EC member, Kim Cox.  They will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examining the evaluations from the last conference and exploring the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure, conserves, processes of the conferences and looking at changes we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might want to consider for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We also have just formed an Elder Committee at the May EC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting that is being chaired by EC member, Anath Garber.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Chapters Committee is chaired by member, Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Membership Committee is chaired by EC member, Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Condon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Promotion and Expansion Committee is chaired by EC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member, Steven Durost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Research Committee is chaired by EC member, Chi Sing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Li.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Scholarship Committee is chaired by EC member, Sandy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The CEU Committee is chaired by EC member, Mary Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bodnar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Website Committee is chaired by member, Regina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sewell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please know the ideas, suggestions, thoughts of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership about these issues are appreciated, being heard, and considered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please consider joining our ASGPP committees as we need you in order to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things happen.  The chairs of all of these committees will gratefully accept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever assistance you can offer. The committee work and leadership of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASGPP exists only because of our generous volunteer members.  Come join us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let the dialogue continue...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On behalf of the Executive Council,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda Condon, LMHC, TEP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Licensed Mental Health Counselor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trainer, Educator, and Practitioner of Psychodrama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President, ASGPP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2641 Harbor Circle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearwater, FL 33759
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (727) 543-9128
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (727) 723-1219 (FAX)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 2:57 PM, Edward Schreiber via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Members <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more thought:  Would it be feasible, and desired, to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a committee formed to review the entire structure, process, etc. of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASGPP Conference?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe we can advance the ASGPP Conference conserve -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and potentially promote-attract more folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or is this too radical of a proposal?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: thana ag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 4, 2017 2:26 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "edwschreiber at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:edwschreiber at earthlink.net>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rebecca Walters , "Dr. Kate Hudgins" , Rosalie Minkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , Lorelei Goldman , Jeanne Burger , Barbara Guest ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" , Jacqueline
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fowler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TALK"SESSION, AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO TALK TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can read at the ASGPP forum - all the proposals re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elders.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus few more will be posted .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The encounter with elders and new comers is one of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will all be discussed and voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the next meeting of the council.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So please keep sending new ideas or requests, before July
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another idea: an ongoing PD theater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> During the ASGPP Annual Meeting directed by elders - to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process  themes/ issues  arising during the Meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A great  opportunity for newcomers  to witness PD by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elders. An extra learning opportunity if time left for processing .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy 4th ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anath Garber, MA, TEP, PDdir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Edward Schreiber via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The work of the cultural conserve is to preserve itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A new idea, as creative energy emerges - and meets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the resistance can be mastered, that energy/new idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can form into something new, and embodied into form.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the Canon of Creativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This new idea - to gather together - elders and those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new in some forum, some form - would be a welcoming for new folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opening the circle.  Completing the Circle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can find out what people want by making an offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a gathering, a circle.  Inclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can be simple.  An actual circle of chairs.  Open to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions and sharing.  What a delightful idea put forth by Rosalie and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lorelei and others!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rebecca Walters via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 4, 2017 12:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Dr. Kate Hudgins"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rosalie Minkin , Lorelei Goldman , Jeanne Burger ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara Guest , " members at asgpplistserv.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>" , Jacqueline Fowler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: I WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN HOLD A "LETS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TALK"SESSION, AT THE 2018 CONFERENCE?THIS WILL ENABLE ELDERS AND NEW MEMBERS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO TALK TOGETHER?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In ST Louis we did have small group meetings at the end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of each day in order for newcomers to feel more connected. I dont know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were successful. I do know that we didn't do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         I wonder if this sort of gathering meets the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs of the new conference attendees or is it to meet the needs of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elders?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       I think we need to do a little ~market research~
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . We need to find out what the newbies actually want. Maybe they would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed like to have a meeting during a workshop slot. Maybe they would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer to be  paired up with an elder to check in with, to have lunch with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why dont we ask them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2017 12:19 PM, "M.K. Hudgins via Members"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Elders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that this is a great idea and would be more than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to do whatever is requested.  I know at IAGP that there are daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debriefing sessions both in small and large groups and that is has been very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful to have that at the many meetings I have gone to.  I dont know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we?d want to let people make sociometric connections based on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interests or do the random choosing Jeanne suggests, but I am on board.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love as Zerka taught us to say, Kate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Barbara Guest via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds like an excellent idea. I would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated that when I first came. I know many first timers have a trainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to debrief with, but this takes the burden of hand holding off the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trainer when they are busy with their friends at the conference. I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting with some students can be a joy, but not always. This would provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an alternative and offer support to those who don?t have anyone there they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can turn to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Jeanne Burger via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we could organize some small mentoring groups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for new conference attendees at the beginning or end of each day to process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an "elder".  Jeanne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Lorelei Goldman via Members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea has been formulating for some time.    Rosalie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been out there pushing ahead and anath Garber is spearheading what she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has called the "elder initiative".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us find a time and place at the conference and gel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our ideas ahead of time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anath has put together s list of questions for out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initiative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I spoke with Zerka several years ago she encouraged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and wished for a mentoring program within our community.  How about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elders mentoring new members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luv, lor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:24 PM, Jacqueline Fowler via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Members <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the idea, Rosalie -- I'll be there!  Jackie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Rosalie Minkin via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Members <members at asgpplistserv.org <mailto:members at asgpplistserv.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Surface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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