Rollo Browne rollobrowne1952 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 3 12:27:46 UTC 2021

I agree about the godhead as the source of spontaneity. And the corollary is that the state of spontaneity is a doorway to the beingness of that undifferentiated experience. If, a BIG if, we stop intervening with the here and now. 
Good conversation. To me it all comes under the heading of What Moreno Didn’t Say. Interesting that Bud (was it?) inferred the Morenos avoided these questions. I wonder why?

By the way, as a ruminator, I’m enjoying the slower pace of this conversation vs my previous experience of group talk as shaped by a quick fire responses. 


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> On 2 Oct 2021, at 9:48 pm, Judith Teszary <jteszary at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Bud, dear All,
> It is an interesting discussion. In my experience most organisations, associations, working groups are reluctant to look at their own sociometry. I have been part of a 4,5 years Erasmus+ project in Sociodrama and I find it more easier if you make sociometry as a part of a larger sociodramatic exploration. To find the sociodramatic question together makes the whole process easier and less threatening. The whole setting of the sociodramatic work aims co-creation and co-responsability where the group as a whole is the protagonist and the group fines the common topic through sociometric choices.  The role of the leader in a sociodrama process can be such a sociodramatic question to explore.
> The role of the leader of a sociodrama is more of a facilitator to bring forward all the voices, opinions, values, wishes, etc in the group.
> The purpose is not to nail a certain leader and show his/her despotic manners.
> With best regards,
> Judith
>> 1 okt. 2021 kl. 23:08 skrev Bud Weiss <bud.weiss at gmail.com>:
>> Yes there is something we can all be about having to do with fully understanding the ways to use sociometry in all groups to which we belong in a way that doesn’t put people off. Moreno himself and Zerka, I imagine,  ( I never asked her directly)  were not willing to use it in the universe which they fostered. Many times before I split with them,  I asked J.L. To let me begin the process of sociometrizing Their universe with the help of Joe Hart and Charles Loomis and he would chuckle, evade, and avoid committing. 
>> In many ways, Moreno was an isolate leader which is actually an expected consequence of the sociodynamic effect. all leaders need to be aware of that and be willing to institute processes to avoid that or they become impotent in their own realm as unapproachable at a deeper dynamic level while still remaining inspirational as the substitute godhead for that which only exists between people. 
>> Jewish law adopted more ancient African snd other original indigenous  peoples concepts in the necessity of a minion ( 10 men in Judaism) ,basically the fingers of two hands  , being present snd then together reconstituting the deity’s presence among them. 
>> Bud
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>>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:53 PM, cartmel at alphalink.com.au wrote:
>>> Dear Edward,
>>> Agreed.
>>> The Godhead.  The First Universe is the source of the spark we find.
>>> The question is 'what do we do next?'
>>> Do we worship the Godhead? If it is nothing but symbology and metaphor and abstract language then 
>>> we have no other choice but to bow and kneel.
>>> If it is something we can do some sort of 'science' with then we need more grounded practice than 
>>> worship.
>>> To quote your good self, Moreno says he did not try to 'create a new religion' but a new form of 
>>> 'theatre' \ action space.
>>> What form does this new 'science' take? - is our inquiry.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Brendan
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