<html><DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Thank you both Adam and Patti for your generous comments. I have been working hard over the past ten years to develop the structure and I am writing my second book with more theoretical foundations appled to Souldrama-all to release our creativity and spontaneity. the first time it was presented was in 1998 at our conference in Philadelphiha.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I presented at the BPA in Liverpool this past month and was one of the Americans there presenting with Jeannie Burger. I was delighted to have such a large attendance and interest in Souldrama. Blessing to all of you for your work.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>Connie Miller TEP, LPC. NCC <BR>http://www.souldrama.com/ <BR>The International Institute of Souldrama <BR>620 Shore Rd <BR>Spring Lake Heights <BR>NJ 07762 USA <BR><BR>1-800-821-9919 <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> PATRICIA DESERT [mailto:honeybwomn@msn.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 8, 2008 07:48 AM<BR><B>To:</B> connie@souldrama.com, 'Neil Hucker', anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr, <BR>list@grouptalkweb.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Transpessoal@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Patricia, do tell more about Janet and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)L<BR><BR></FONT>
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<DIV>Thank you Connie for your very generous sharing of your work through Souldrama. It strikes me over and over as I read the work of forerunners in our field and learn about your work and other works of my contemporaries how truths about who we are, how we learn and experience the world shine through in a wonderful variety of ways. Warm regards, Patti </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:connie@souldrama.com href="mailto:connie@souldrama.com" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:connie@souldrama.com">Connie Miller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:eddy1@labyrinth.net.au href="mailto:eddy1@labyrinth.net.au" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:eddy1@labyrinth.net.au">Neil Hucker</A> ; <A title=mailto:honeybwomn@msn.com href="mailto:honeybwomn@msn.com" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:honeybwomn@msn.com">PATRICIA DESERT</A> ; <A title=mailto:anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr">anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr</A> ; <A title=mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org">list@grouptalkweb.org</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> Dear Patty and Neil, </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> Thank you for bringing Janets work into awareness. The work that I have been doing on souldrama takes people through seven altered states of consciousness by passing through</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> through seven doorways and </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3>the work of Janets fits in very nicely as one moves through the levels of emotional level of intelligence using Morenos work. There have been many formulations </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> of stages </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> in the development of consciousness </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3>that people encounter and inhabit as they develop. These states are obviously to be viewed as energetic levels of activation of conscious awareness,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> constantly </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3>shifting. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=3> We can look at the general format of the organization of these states on Maslow's (1943, 1954, 1968, 1971) Hierarchy of Needs </FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3>Anna Freud (1965) proposed the concept of developmental lines? to explain how pathology can result from a failure in normal human development in one or more areas of growth, using developmental lines to chart the emergence of a specific developmental potential through a sequence of stages of growth. For example, there is a separate line of development for the consolidation of a sense of self (Kohut, 1971),for affect (Brown, 1985), and for the defenses (Vaillant, 1977). Ken Wilber(2000) believes that there are roughly two dozen developmental lines: ?morals, affects,self-identity, psychosexuality, cognition, ideas of the good, role taking,socio-emotional capacity, creativity, altruism, several lines that can be called ?spiritual? (care, openness, concern, religious faith, meditative stages), joy, </FONT></P></DIR>
<P><FONT size=3>The doorways of Souldrama can be a method to enter transpersonal experience. The first and second doorways represent the rational intelligence, the third and fourth doorways represent the emotional intelligence and the fifth and sixth represent the spiritual intelligence. Door seven is where all three intelligences are integrated. The doorways offer symbolic rites of passage and structure .<EM> </EM>The rationale for souldrama is that one needs to align their ego and soul to be on their higher purpose and gives us a structured action method to do so using psychodrama and sociometry in each doorway. This includes Carl Jung's theory of individuation that states that the individual strives to become whole and distinctive from the collective (Jung, 1933; Jung & von Franz, 1964). In order for an individual to realize their specific purpose, connection with one's unique self must be achieved (Eddinger, 1972; Harding, 1965). In this context, self is the whole of the individual, including all aspects of an individual's conscious and unconscious, often referred to as a paradoxical union of opposites (Harding, 1965). The Self is superior to the ego and is experienced as the center of the personality (Jung, 1933). If individuals become conscious of their whole personality, the self, they can become great spiritual leaders by becoming aware of their higher purposes and potential capabilities. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Blessings Connie</FONT></P></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>Connie Miller TEP, LPC. NCC <BR>http://www.souldrama.com/ <BR>The International Institute of Souldrama <BR>620 Shore Rd <BR>Spring Lake Heights <BR>NJ 07762 USA <BR><BR>1-800-821-9919 <BR>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Neil Hucker [mailto:eddy1@labyrinth.net.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 8, 2008 04:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'PATRICIA DESERT', anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr, list@grouptalkweb.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Patricia, do tell more about Janet and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)L<BR><BR></FONT>Dear Patricia In the book The Haunted Self there are a number of Janet's articles that speak directly about feelings but I have not read a translation. For example "Problemes psychologiques de l'emotion" (I couldn't get the accents up). I am interested how you integrated janet's work nito your own. neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <HONEYBWOMN@MSN.COM>To: <ANNE.SCHUTZENBERGER@WANADOO.FR>; <LIST@GROUPTALKWEB.ORG>Cc: <CBAIM@HOTMAIL.COM>; <DAMIENLABAS@YAHOO.FR>; <HONEYBWOMN@AOL.COM>; <EVA@LEVETON.COM>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)L > > Hi Anne--I have only done some reading of Janet because his writing, like > his contemporaries, is dense and convoluted in many areas, not readily > available, and the book was on loan to me for only a short while some > years > ago. I don't even remember the title. I was fascinated enough to read > secondary sources that more easily helped me understand what he did. And > his findings on dissociation and "hysteria" (now identified in the DSM-IV > as > DID, PTSD, personality disorders, etc.) and his treatments using hypnosis > are remarkable and support a lot of what I have learned and do in > psychodrama and in my practice as a mind/body/spirit clinician that sees > the > affective system as a critical structure to address in working with > clients. > > Janet did not address the affective system directly but his work > recognized > sensations as a very real part of consciousness that get derailed by the > dissociated process. And the affective system is what I routinely > address > in psychodrama work. His concept of "psychological force" is also a > mainstay in my work and it directly speaks to spontaneity and creativity > as > Moreno conceptualized in his Canon of Creativity and throughout his > writings. > > For example, Janet talked about the "reality connect"--using the senses > and > the mind to be in the moment, free from anxious thoughts, images, > sensations, etc. and able to exercise sound judgment and make accurate > meaning out of our experience. As Moreno taught us, experience enough > anxiety and we will experience a disconnect from our creativity. I see > this > in some ways as Janet's "reality disconnect"--a loss of unity with body > and > mind. > > Also, Janet's concept of psychological force and psychological tension he > describes as the quantity of basic psychic energy available to us and our > capacity to use it. This is so basic Morenian to me--as it precurses > Moreno's ideas on spontaneity and creativity. And I see this energy > sabotaged over and over in clients who become overwhelmed with emotion. > > And because I view emotion always as a feeling--after all we cannot feel a > thought right?--I immediately move into interventions that help clients > reconnect in safe, calming ways with their body. One of the primary > interventions I use to help clients become "reality connected" or in > Morenian language, reconnected with their spontaneity, is the double and > very specifically the TSM body double. > > Another intervention is the mirroring structure whereby the protagonist > sits > off stage and 1) puts into words the experience to be enacted, 2) while > doing so chooses auxiliaries and describes their role, what to say, etc., > and 3) watches the enactment. This is excellent for a dissociative > client > as I can titrate the action in order to help the client remain present. > Once h/she can watch without dissociating h/she is ready to move into the > scene. This intervention reflects a core capacity related to Janet's > "reality connect"--the ability to experience a coherent narrative > including > effects of the experience while staying in the moment. > > Of course, psychodrama is a method that requires action that engages all > parts of self--mind, body, and spirit. Janet, again in what I think was > revolutionary for his time and unfortunately derailed by Freud's > psychoanalytic perspective, made no distinction between the intellect, > feelings, and what we actually do. He saw thought, feelings, and behavior > intimately interconnected with consciousness, activity, and ideas --all > that > support a natural push to manifest and expand or contract depending on who > we are and what we have experienced. > > So movement is a key intervention I use. Anxiety in sufficient force > paralyze so I get the body moving in safe and supportive ways to break the > paralysis. When we move physical sensations are stimulated and provide > opportunities for clients to learn how to safely and knowledgeably > experience their bodies. Sometimes that happens through a soft, fluffy > pillow toss , other times through appropriate laughter, and many times it > is > to use auxiliaries to personify a client's inner reality in positive ways. > Strengths building with auxiliaries and then role reversing is a wonderful > intervention. > > As I said Janet did not specifically study the affective system, but his > concept of dissociation certainly included an understanding that sensation > was a key component in feeling safe and thinking and acting competently > and > effectively. I believe this is why his treatment sessions often included > painting or listening to music or sculpting. I have used all these types > of > activities in my psychodrama workshops and psychodrama a deux. They > consistently reduce anxiety and stimulate spontaneity and creativity. > > His interventions through hypnosis also give us profoundly effective ideas > for helping clients heal. And while I don't use hypnosis I have applied > his > idea of using an altered state of consciousness in other ways to help > clients access their innate spontaneity and creativity. They include > creative visualization, mindful meditation structures, affirmation tapes, > stream of consciousness writing, etc. > > In some key respects I see Janet's work as a precursor to Moreno's ideas. > I > just wonder if Moreno read his work and was inspired by it. They seem so > sympatico in some ways. > > Top of the evening to you Anne. Thanks for asking. Patti > > > > > > > > > Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP > Singular Pathways > 208 East Melrose Avenue > Baltimore, MD 21212 > Phone: 410.435.3755 > Fax: 410.435.0547 > www.singular-pathways.com > "from fears and tears to confidence and joy" > > > > >>From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <ANNE.SCHUTZENBERGER@WANADOO.FR>>>To: list@grouptalkweb.org >>CC: Schutzenberger Anne <ANNE.SCHUTZENBERGER@WANADOO.FR>,LABAS Damien >><DAMIENLABAS@YAHOO.FR>, Patti <HONEYBWOMN@AOL.COM>,Leveton Eva >><EVA@LEVETON.COM>, BAIM Clark <CBAIM@HOTMAIL.COM>>>Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for >>psychodrama (Anne)List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22 >>Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:17:30 +0200 >> >>Re: Patricia, do tell more about Piere Janet - a French psychiatrist. >>(1859-1947) and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)- List Digest, Vol >>25, Issue 22 >> >>Dear Patti >> >>Please,explain more what you take from Pierre Janet and his "perspective >>and >>theories on feelings." in your work - >>What is it really - nobody explain it on grouptalk, not in real details- >> >>And I am very interrested, aspecially because I am working on a new book >>and new research about what makes psychodrama such an unique wonderfull >>but complex tool, - >>-and what various influences we psychodramatists are under; >>Freud, Janet, Foulkes, Bateson, etc..- or nonverbal communication >>research >>- >>or theater theories ... >> >>warmly >>best of best >>anne >>anne ancelin schutzenberger >>Unjiversity Professor, PhD,TEP,group-anayse >>transgenerational analyst >>co-Founder abd actual honorzry archivist IAGP >>------------------------------------------------------- >>anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr >>http://www.psychogenealogie.name >>====== ====== >>Le 19 juil. 08 à 19:00, list-request@grouptalkweb.org a écrit : >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of List digest..." >> >>Today's Topics: >>> 1. RE: Subtle oppression anecdote (T. Treadwell) >>> 2. RE: Psychodrama Business (PATRICIA DESERT) >>> 3. RE: Pierre Janet (PATRICIA DESERT) >>-------------------------- >>Message: 3 >>Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:14 -0400 >>From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <HONEYBWOMN@MSN.COM>>>Subject: RE: Pierre Janet >>To: adam@blatner.com, eddy1@labyrinth.net.au, list@grouptalkweb.org >> >>I have read some of Janet's work and resonated with his perspective and >>theories on feelings. I am interested in hearing from others who may >>have >>read him and what they took away from it. Patti >> >>Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP >>Singular Pathways >>208 East Melrose Avenue >>Baltimore, MD 21212 >>Phone: 410.435.3755 >>Fax: 410.435.0547 >>www.singular-pathways.com >>"from fears and tears to confidence and joy" >>== >>From: "Adam Blatner" <ABLATNER@VERIZON.NET>>>Reply-To: Adam Blatner <ADAM@BLATNER.COM>>>To: "Neil Hucker" <EDDY1@LABYRINTH.NET.AU>,<LIST@GROUPTALKWEB.ORG> >>Subject: Pierre Janet >>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:35 -0500 >> >>Dear Neil, thanks for bringing up the name of Pierre Janet. Googling him >>brings up 184,000 hits! He's an important and under-estimated thinker >>who >>has insights that challenged some of Freud's---perhaps explaining why his >>work was not fully appreciated during the hegemony of psychoanalysis---a >>hegemony that tended to also devalue the many insights of others, such as >>Adler or Jung (who were characterized by the mainstream as merely >>disaffected former disciples with a father complex rather than mature >>colleagues with independent and often valid insights), Assagioli >>(psychosynthesis), Reich, Adolf Meyer, Janet, and so forth. >> So far I haven't heard of anyone who has investigated common >>themes. I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting that Moreno knew much if >>anything about Janet's work. How is it you have become interested? >>Perhaps >>you might help us enrich our work by noting some arenas where Janet's >>insights might be helpful in our own theory development and practice. >> (And of course I too would be interested if Anne knows of any >>overlap in the French psychological literature.) >> Warmly, Adam >>- - - - >>-- Original Message -- From: Neil Hucker >> To: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger ; list@grouptalkweb.org >> Cc: Schutzenberger Anne ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:39 AM >> Subject::reaction to Anath & Anna Schaum -subtle opression / >>ListDigest, Vol 25, Issue 18 >> >> Dear Anne, this is Neil Hucker in Melbourne Australia. I am a >>psychiatrist psychodramatist and I briefly met you in Melbourne when you >>were at the PIM conference. >> I would like to know whether you have any knowledge about Piere Janet >> a >>French psychiatrist. (1859-1947) In particulat whether there has been any >>integration of Janet's theory and psychodrama in France. >> regards >> Neil >>___ >>************************************ >>- Some news from Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger (Paris and Argentiere) >>Good long French summer holidays in French Alps >>Argentiere-Chamonix-Mont-Blanc (Hte Savoie) France- >> >>In Argentina in 2008 new translation of Anne's books (with new publisher >>Taurus) and new republications of old translations of Anne's books >>"Sortir du Deuil" ("Salir del Duelo") with Evelyne Bissone Jeufroy is >>also >>in translation and soon in print in Argentina in 2008. >> >>November 2007, Anne published a book on Psychogeneazlogy (a new approach >>to psyvchodrama and grooupwork) >> :"Psychogénéalogie, guérir les blessures familiales et se retrouver >>soi", >>Paris, Payot. (a follow up of her "The Ancestor Syndrome >>(London,Routledge). >> >>) 2007 Collectifve English book with 25 authors, including Anne Ancelin >>Schutzenberger, Adam Blatner etc >>édited by Clark Baim, Jorg Burgmeister, Manuela Maciel : >>"Psychodrama, Advances in Theory and Practice", London, Routledge, July >>2007. >> >>Happy landings >> >>Tout de bon - Best of best >>Anne, Paris, and French Alps >> >>Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger, PhD, TEP >>Professeur des Universites, groupe-analyste >>Psychodramatiste & analyste transgenerationnel >>Co-Fondateur et Archiviste IAGP >>------------------------------------------------------- >>anne.schutzenberger@wanadoo.fr >>http://www.psychogenealogie.name >> > > >>Grouptalk mailing list >>List@grouptalkweb.org >>http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Grouptalk mailing list > List@grouptalkweb.org > http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org > Grouptalk mailing list List@grouptalkweb.org http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></html>