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Hi Cynthia,<div>Much thanks for your wise sense of things.</div><div>Although I use more Morenean terms, we are saying much the same - </div><div>As all this unfolds in the conserve we are living in, this sharing with one another, this forming a community of practitioners is vital. Your contributions have always caught my heart - much much thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Ed<br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:19 AM, CGayle wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ed,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I love what you are describing here. T</font><font face="Arial" size="2">his Awakened or Awakening Force, or Presence, is what spiritual directors tune into and guide from when companioning others on their spiritual path. Many do this through a silent contemplative process (a different kind of focus than meditation). Currently, using expressive arts in spiritual direction are a leading edge in the field. </font><font face="Arial" size="2">Both in psychodrama and spiritual direction, one follows what I call the Divine Flow. Spontaneity and Creativity are the outward manifestations of this Divine Flow. Spiritual directors, who use what is called the contemplative evocative method, follow the internal movement of this Divine Flow....and also look to the movement toward or away from this Divine Flow in the patterns in one's life. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Where spiritual directors, or other spiritual practitioners, do not have skills is understanding what I call the movement of God between us. Spiritual direction done in groups is an individual process in a group setting, with feedback from others. Many spiritual folks want to live and teach living our highest spiritual ideals in how to treat others, yet don't have skills of how to get there when it comes to life in the complexity of groups, and thus in healing society. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am very intrigued with what you are saying about how the process of healing and connection to the Godhead impacts then sociometric connections in groups. I know that is the core of psychodrama, yet you have much to offer in illuminating greater understanding on sociometry and sociatry. I know you are leading workshops on this. I also encourage you to write about his extensively. I would love to read about this and get more detail and understanding! </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Godspeed,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cynthia Gayle</font></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div> </div> <div>----- Original Message ----- </div> <blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="edwschreiber@earthlink.net" href="mailto:edwschreiber@earthlink.net">Edward Schreiber</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="list@grouptalkweb.org" href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org">Grouptalk Listserv</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:52 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Sociatric Practices of the Method</div> <div><br></div><br> <div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="5"><b>From: </b></font><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="5">Edward Schreiber <<a href="mailto:edwschreiber@earthlink.net">edwschreiber@earthlink.net</a>></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="5"><b>Date: </b></font><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="5">October 14, 2008 5:41:52 PM EDT</font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="5"><b>To: </b></font><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="5">"Ivo Banaco" <<a href="mailto:ibanaco@gmail.com">ibanaco@gmail.com</a>></font></div> <div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="5"><b>Subject: </b></font><font style="FONT: 18px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="5"><b>Re: Ken Wilbur</b></font></div> <div style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div>Dear Ivo,</blockquote></div></div></blockquote>I<br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div> <blockquote type="cite">I want to print this out and think about it, add my thoughts to your work and organization <div>we - you mostly - are really onto something</div> <div><br></div> <div>much of what an apprentice from a school is doing with me now he is</div> <div>taking the sociatric theories of Moreno, what he saw when he looked into the world</div> <div>and he is making them into formulas</div> <div>what is mind-blowing is that we are</div> <div>seeing the entire theory, all of it, method, theory, philosphy, techniques all of Moreno</div> <div>encoded into 3 codes</div> <div>in other words, each code is 1/3 of a whole theory</div> <div>the 3 codes, which is the whole theory, are pictures he drew to represent a whole part of the entire body of knowledge he left to us</div> <div>it is the interface and sequencing of the 3 coded pictures that is the most important - each sequence is different and is a whole other</div> <div>way of applying the method</div> <div>but here is the issue:</div> <div>the method is fundamentally about unlocking the psyche to an encounter directly with the Godhead</div> <div>and then</div> <div>stabilizing it within the being as an "autonomous healing center"</div> <div>and</div> <div>then AS THIS HAPPENS this autonomous healing center emerges in a group and reorganizes the sociometry in such a way it illuminates first the sociodynamic effect to the group and then - it reorders the sociodynamic effect into circles within the group, different ways of forming circles, which returns members to a role within a circle of life and returns life - to the circle.</div> <div><br></div> <div>This is all happening in a group that I am working with at Lesley University in which I am finding-feeling-seeing myself "being directed by an Awakened or Awakening Force moving in me and directing me" which is what Zerka has taught happens to her, and now I know directly what this is about and now Lesley students are starting to feel this and begin to form cognition (language, expression, creativity) around the experience they are beginning to have. The most advanced students are women of color.</div> <div><br></div> <div>So, I welcome lots of conversation now and before I teach in Portugal.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Ed<br> <div> <div>On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Ivo Banaco wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr">Quite a challenge Ed!<br><br>This quote by Moreno is so deep that I have to add other elements of the Ken Wilber's integral theory to the quadrants, namely levels, lines, states and types. In all quadrants there are levels, lines, states and types.<br><br> <span lang="EN-GB" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: PT; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><img height="376" src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/b17720/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/06/clip_image002.gif" width="408"></span><br> <br>For example, in the upper left, levels could be the evolving self from birth (e.g. pre-personal, personal, trans-personal) and lines (e.g. the multiple intelligences of the human beings - see Howard Gardner – like the cognitive intelligence, spatial capabilities, morals, ethics and so on). Types are the horizontal differences, personality types, etc. States could be moods, but it is often used with reference the various types of spiritual experiences.<br><br>In the lower left we have the same 4 elements but with different characteristics, levels of cultural development since the birth of humanity, different types of cultures, and so.<br><br>For me when Moreno says "The discovery that human society has an actual, dynamic, central structure<br>underlying and determining all its peripheral and formal groupings may one day<br>be considered as the cornerstone of all social science." – I feel he found with his large vision these same 4 quadrants, this same dynamic, diversity, that is shared by all human beings at a deeper level. I see the point from which the 4 quadrant arrows develop as the big bang or the ever present origin from where we all were born.<br><br>"This central structure - once it has been identified - is either found or discernible in every form of human<br>society, from the most primitive to the most civilized." – the levels in all quadrants.<br><br>"It exerts a determining influence upon every sphere in which the factor of human interrelations is an active agent - in economics, biology, social pathology, politics, government and similar spheres of social action." – All quadrants, all levels, all lines, all states, all types.<br><br> <div>Best wishes,<br> <div>Ivo <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Edward Schreiber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:edwschreiber@earthlink.net">edwschreiber@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Ivo,<br>How would you work with this quote, using the 4 Quadrants?<br><br>The discovery that human society has an actual, dynamic, central structure<br>underlying and determining all its peripheral and formal groupings may one day<br>be considered as the cornerstone of all social science. This central structure -<br>once it has been identified - is either found or discernible in every form of human<br>society, from the most primitive to the most civilized: it is the genesis of every type<br>of society. In addition, it exerts a determining influence upon every sphere in which<br>the factor of human interrelations is an active agent - in economics, biology, social<br>pathology, politics, government and similar spheres of social action.<br><br>JL Moreno<br><br>How would we "deconstruct" this quote and move it into the 4 quadrants? 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